Where's me Maryborough?

 
  412M Assistant Commissioner

Ooooops, I forgot that, LowndesJ515, sorry!

I think it is possible that the trains to Maryborough could be diesel-hauled, as crews tend to dislike v/locitys and sprinters on long runs, due to comfort or something. Also, passengers heading from Melbourne to Maryborough or vice-versa will dislike it if they only have a sprinter or v/locity due to them having no buffet car. Actually, having said that though, the railcars are likely to be allowed higher speeds for the whole run due to lower axle loads.

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  639 Chief Commissioner

Maybe putting one in for when the line reopens to Mildura that will be loco hauled Razz  well we can always hope... LaughingLaughingLaughing
  wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria
It would be logical to have a loop similar to Marshall at each intermediate station as that way loco-hauled trains could run-round at the intermediate stations in the event of something happening.
"412M"

Logical and Railways dont mix very well...
"LowndesJ515"

Just look at the Warrnambool line - three passenger trains a day (and a possible upgrade to 4) along with a return freight, and in the past year V/Line has pulled out crossing loops at Colac and Winchelsea.

The rumours I have heard for the line towards Maryborough involve the removal of crossing loops, due to the supposed risk of passenger trains running over the trailable facing points at Sulky, Tourello and Talbot.

I think it is possible that the trains to Maryborough could be diesel-hauled.
"412M"

It won't be any different to the Ararat and Echuca runs.
  AclassGunzel Deputy Commissioner

So mid to late 2010 is when we can expect the return of Maryborough passenger services...eye's peeled for the actual first official pass up there
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland


The rumours I have heard for the line towards Maryborough involve the removal of crossing loops, due to the supposed risk of passenger trains running over the trailable facing points at Sulky, Tourello and Talbot.

"wongm"


Isn't the plan to decommission two loops and upgrade the third (to comply with V/Line's standards)
  wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria
The rumours I have heard for the line towards Maryborough involve the removal of crossing loops, due to the supposed risk of passenger trains running over the trailable facing points at Sulky, Tourello and Talbot.
"wongm"

Isn't the plan to decommission two loops and upgrade the third (to comply with V/Line's standards)
"Nightfire"

Now that I think of it, that is more accurate. I believe the funding will also cover some additional level crossing upgrades.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line


I think it is possible that the trains to Maryborough could be diesel-hauled, as crews tend to dislike v/locitys and sprinters on long runs, due to comfort or something.
"412M"


Snowflakes chance of diesel hauled Exclamation
From my experience with crews, many drivers in particular actually prefer to drive VLocity's.


Also, passengers heading from Melbourne to Maryborough or vice-versa will dislike it if they only have a sprinter or v/locity due to them having no buffet car.
"412M"


Pax hate changing from service to service and the distances aren't THAT great. We aren't talking about running VLocity's to Upper Kumbucta West.

Mike.
  Blinkey Junior Train Controller

Start up for the Maryborough service?

My money's on US independence day  4th. July 2010. Its a Sunday
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Start up for the Maryborough service?

My money's on US independence day  4th. July 2010. Its a Sunday
"Blinkey"


I did say 4th July earlier in the thread..
  Barrington Womble Photo Nazi

Location: Banned
Start up for the Maryborough service?

My money's on US independence day  4th. July 2010. Its a Sunday
"Blinkey"
It's happening. I saw people working there today - in fact, I've just got back from the station at Creswick just this minute. I will post some photos soon.

Oh yeah...412M. Maryborough's 65km versus Ararat's 85km from Ballarat station...I think Maryborough wins.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

Part of the high cost quoted to return the pass service to Maryborough is track upgrade cost,  improvements to level crossing protection, and IIRC rationalization of intermediate loops and removal of trailable points for passenger operations .

Already announced as V/Locity extensions of existing Ballarat services . As this will involve no doubt attachments/detachments at Ballarat the pax will have opportunity for "refresh" at Ballarat . Initially one PM Down trip and one am Up trip daily .

Vinelander will be close re timing . Remember the State election is fixed to the last Saturday in November this year.  So Sir Humphrey will have advised and arranged for a third quarter 2010 start up - to maximize the "brownie points" effect in the Electorate .
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Vinelander will be close re timing . Remember the State election is fixed to the last Saturday in November this year.  So Sir Humphrey will have advised and arranged for a third quarter 2010 start up - to maximize the "brownie points" effect in the Electorate .
"kuldalai"


Was speaking to a reliable source on the train this week. He was told by a senior VLine reliable source it's 4th July.

You're forgetting one thing Kuldalai, Ripon's a fairly safe Labor seat these days, and IMO the Government will do as Peter Batchelor did with Ararat and they will announce a 100% increase in Maryborough train services during this years campaign.
Always good for a brownie point or three ExclamationWink

Mike.
  Barrington Womble Photo Nazi

Location: Banned
Some photos from today of the concrete sleepers being layed where the platform is apparently going. Some of you will note that BG concrete sleepers have been used in lieu of dual gauge sleepers (yes it is pointless; and certainly brings standardisation into question, but we'll save that for another thread. Okay?).

The first lot of photos were taken at 14:30 in the afternoon, and the second lot at 19:30 in the evening. I will try and place photos taken at roughly the same spot together as a comparison.

We'll start with the Victoria Street (Down) end:

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No rails on the sleepers past the fettler in the middle of the track. The backhoe is scraping at the old alignment to level it out.
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The finished product. Ready for trains.

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This shows the amount that the backhoe has scraped to form an even trackbed.
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The same place 5 hours later...

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Brand-new culvert just after installation.
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Note that the pile of ballast in the background of the last photo has now gone.

From the Up end...

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Lifting the first rail back into place
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The tamper doing it's job. In this view you can see the amount of levelling that has taken place in the former goods yard. There were remnents of an old siding with 60Ib rail alongside the goods shed. Alas, it is now gone - forever.

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Looking in the Down direction. This shows the sleepers after being aligned, ready for the rails to be clipped into place. More of the grading in the goods yard is apparent.
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The same place with rails, and a tamping machine.

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Looking like a mutant paddle boat on rails, is the track sweeper.

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Oops! The lighting trailer has left the rails due to a build up of ballast around the railhead. It was quickly re-railed, and tamping resumed.

I will be keeping an eye on any further progress in the coming weeks.

Fin.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Some photos from today of the concrete sleepers being layed where the platform is apparently going. Some of you will note that BG concrete sleepers have been used in lieu of dual gauge sleepers (yes it is pointless; and certainly brings standardisation into question, but we'll save that for another thread. Okay?).

"TheRev"


Victrack has a love affair with broad gauge concrete sleepers

Have a look at most level crossing that have been rebuilt as dual gauge, as soon as the standard gauge rail end, It's straight on to broad gauge only sleepers to fill In the section of track replaced (bite)

But the works at Creswick takes the cake for short sighted planing

Or Is It just someone making sure there Is plenty of work In the future
  Blinkey Junior Train Controller

It's wonderful to have Railpage back. It should be a good lesson for us all not to take this service for granted and DONATE, even just a little, to keep the thing going.

Maryborough????Anyone heard any news? The much rumored start date of 4th July doesn't seem very likely to me if you consider all of the works that are supposed to be performed including 8 level crossing, the stabling yard at Maryborough, the conversion of the Tourello loop etc. etc.

They certainly have hastening slowly.

And any news on the Mildura Review. I went along and had a look. The Mildura meeting was a huge success. If they wanted consultation and to get the views of the people along the line, then I doubt that anyone could be under any misapprehension of what the people want

Any goss out there?

Blinkey
  639 Chief Commissioner

Hmm the new platform at Creswick is well under way now..    Rolling Eyes
  Highrailer Assistant Commissioner

Location: Somewhere out on the track......anywhere around the country
Both Sulky and Talbot loops are no longer, points removed & straight railed.
Not sure whats going on with Tourello loop.

Works progressing in Maryborough, No. 1 road re sleepered with dual guage concrete sleepers & 2 road with timber plus a few other things.

I noticed on the local news a week or so ago that it was asked for the service to be continued onto Castlemaine & Bendigo, Brumby said he would look at the idea after the Ballarat to Maryborough services start operating.

Who know's what might happen with an election looming some time in the not too distant future.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
And any news on the Mildura Review. I went along and had a look. The Mildura meeting was a huge success. If they wanted consultation and to get the views of the people along the line, then I doubt that anyone could be under any misapprehension of what the people want

Any goss out there?

Blinkey
"Blinkey"


Ohh yes there's goss alright ExclamationRazz

IMO the government was left with no doubts whatsoever regards the Mildura population and the return of pax trains thereto.

Forget about Mildura being a Nat seat, forget about the fact there are air services etc, it's clear from the whispers that some options are in the pipeline, and its a matter of deciding which way to go, moving forward.

In view of the November poll, some internal argy-bargy in DoI and V/line, this IMO is going to be one to watch over the next several months.

Sorry I can't say more at this early stage...

Mike
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia

IMO the government was left with no doubts whatsoever regards the Mildura population and the return of pax trains thereto.
"The Vinelander"


The people of Mildura have left this government with a very concise message being they are most unpopular in Mildura.  When you assess the performance of this government in relation to Mildura, the report card does not look good.

1. Water issues (SA Government provided financial assistance to their growers during the though times)
2. Failure to provide the passenger service promised over 10 years ago
3. Attempted to establish a toxic waste dump in the shire

However, on balance the Mildura council made it clear Rail was not a priority for the place given the projects to return unusable land around the station to the council for what purpose, no-one knows?

Forget about Mildura being a Nat seat, forget about the fact there are air services etc, it's clear from the whispers that some options are in the pipeline, and its a matter of deciding which way to go, moving forward.
"The Vinelander"


What possible options could there be?

In view of the November poll, some internal argy-bargy in DoI and V/line, this IMO is going to be one to watch over the next several months.
"The Vinelander"


Are we about to see another round of promises that will be delivered after the coming election?

Regards
Brian
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
I noticed on the local news a week or so ago that it was asked for the service to be continued onto Castlemaine & Bendigo, Brumby said he would look at the idea after the Ballarat to Maryborough services start operating.

Who know's what might happen with an election looming some time in the not too distant future.
"Highrailer"


This to me makes a lot of sense. I have always thought that a service between Bendigo, Castlemaine and Maryborough tlo Ballarat could probably be justified.  

Just look at the growth in Vline passenger numbers over the past 5 years and the current numbers do not include Albury. The numbers in my view prove that if you are prepared to invest and restore services, then people are prepared to use the service.

What thoughts then Mike do you have on a service between Ballarat and Geelong?

Regards
Brian
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Hmm the new platform at Creswick is well under way now..    Rolling Eyes
"639"


Any photos?

Regards
Brian
  Blinkey Junior Train Controller

The linking of Bendigo, Ballarat and probably Geelong is being discussed. I think that there are some pretty good reasons to justify this. The linking of these major regional centres makes good sense. For educational reasons and for tourism.

But the priority to me is to get Maryborough sorted with at least a morning and evening return service, plus the Talbot and Clunes people  are being very vocal at having the train stop in their towns.

Mildura will also need to happen.

But I do like the Linking Victorian Regional Communities.....Bendigo-Ballarat-Geelong

Blinkey
  Bree76 Chief Train Controller

Location: Nibiru

The people of Mildura have left this government with a very concise message being they are most unpopular in Mildura.  When you assess the performance of this government in relation to Mildura, the report card does not look good.

1. Water issues (SA Government provided financial assistance to their growers during the though times)
2. Failure to provide the passenger service promised over 10 years ago
3. Attempted to establish a toxic waste dump in the shire
"bevans"


They've been waiting for their massive solar power plant for some time too. Doesn't sound like they're getting a fair go up that way.
  ozfreight Chief Train Controller

Location: hawthorn 3122
The linking of Bendigo, Ballarat and probably Geelong is being discussed. I think that there are some pretty good reasons to justify this. The linking of these major regional centres makes good sense. For educational reasons and for tourism.

But the priority to me is to get Maryborough sorted with at least a morning and evening return service, plus the Talbot and Clunes people  are being very vocal at having the train stop in their towns.

Mildura will also need to happen.

But I do like the Linking Victorian Regional Communities.....Bendigo-Ballarat-Geelong

Blinkey
"Blinkey"


Agree with you But will not happen under this government or its opposition
  Highrailer Assistant Commissioner

Location: Somewhere out on the track......anywhere around the country
I noticed on the local news a week or so ago that it was asked for the service to be continued onto Castlemaine & Bendigo, Brumby said he would look at the idea after the Ballarat to Maryborough services start operating.

Who know's what might happen with an election looming some time in the not too distant future.
"Highrailer"


This to me makes a lot of sense. I have always thought that a service between Bendigo, Castlemaine and Maryborough tlo Ballarat could probably be justified.  

Just look at the growth in Vline passenger numbers over the past 5 years and the current numbers do not include Albury. The numbers in my view prove that if you are prepared to invest and restore services, then people are prepared to use the service.

What thoughts then Mike do you have on a service between Ballarat and Geelong?

Regards
Brian
"bevans"


Makes sense to me too.

Having worked & lived away from home in those areas on & off for the last 8 years and getting to know heaps of the locals up that way i can fairly well comfortably say that they are all for it !
All they have is road coaches & thats not the way they want to travel...they dont like them.
Most would rather drive instead but not everyone up there can do that either........they either dont have a licence or a car.

Any yes rail patronage has gone up since the new services started running, particularly over the last two or three years & its still going up, i think it would be well worth it for all locations between Geelong, Ballarat & Bendigo.

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