Next Vline passenger re-open after Maryborough?

 
  beanzs27 Assistant Commissioner

where is the most viable next step in Vline passenger services locations.

Mildura and Leongatha were mention when Labor first got elected and Maryborough is on the Mildura line. How ever Leongatha was closed this year ( does it need a revisit)

Is there any other location suitable for passenger services returning.
a few months ago a SG service was mentioned from Ararat to Nhill.
I have heard  from some people about north of Shepparton.

ideas and when is the next possible date for resumed services

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  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
I think V/Line will concentrate on Improving the network that they have already have such as more services to places like Warrnambool, Colac, Waurn Ponds, Ararat, Wendouree, Eaglehawk, Echuca, Shepparton, Albury, Sale, Bairnsdale
  aussiebbq Assistant Commissioner

Location: Ballarat, Australia
From the VTP

http://www3.transport.vic.gov.au/vtp/pdfs/vtp.pdf

Page 54
Re-establish passenger rail services
to Maryborough
This $50 million initiative will reconnect the central Victorian
centre of Maryborough to the regional rail network after
the closure of the Mildura line in the 1990s. Fourteen
weekly train trips will start in 2010 between Maryborough
and Ballarat, with onward connections to Melbourne.
The Government will assess the feasibility of returning
passenger services on the Mildura corridor once the
current freight upgrade is complete.
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  MelbourneCity Chief Commissioner

I wouldn't hold my breath for Mildura, but as for "What's next?" I'd say probably beefing up existing services (petrol prices will skyrocket once the global economy picks up).

I'd like to see Yarrawonga obtain a service - last time I was there I read in the local paper the council is planning for a population of atleast 20,000 in coming years. Any rail service there in the short to medium term is unlikely though.
  richiebogie Chief Train Controller

Vline to Hamilton, Portland and Mt Gambier.

Vline to Deniliquin.

Vline double track to Ballarat.

Connex to Healesville.

Connex to KooWeeRup
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Vline to Hamilton, Portland and Mt Gambier.
"richiebogie"
V/Line knocked that on the head

Vline to Deniliquin.
"richiebogie"
Out of Victoria, no demand
Vline double track to Ballarat.
"richiebogie"
Should of been part of RFR

Connex to Healesville.
"richiebogie"
Rail line too Indirect + Better been a tourist railway

Connex to KooWeeRup
"richiebogie"
One day when the urban sprawl heads out that way, couldn't be too far away (time wise)
  Y115 Chief Train Controller

Location: Portland
Vline to Hamilton, Portland and Mt Gambier.



"richiebogie"



Not a chance!  Laughing
  MOM Chief Commissioner

Location: here, there, everywhere....
Vline to Hamilton, Portland and Mt Gambier.

Vline to Deniliquin.

Vline double track to Ballarat.

Connex to Healesville.

Connex to KooWeeRup
"richiebogie"


There's already a thread open for those ideas.

Follow the link in my sig and post away happily with the most bizzare and crackpot ideas you can think of.
  fast01 BUTTSCRATCHER!

Location: Somewhere your not.
Tocumwal.
  Deanodriver Chief Train Controller

Location: Melbourne
Stawell? Razz
  Metro Transit Minister for Railways

Location: Error.
How about returning services to Kyabram, Korrumburra, Cobram or Yea/Mansfield?

Also,

From the VTP

http://www3.transport.vic.gov.au/vtp/pdfs/vtp.pdf

Page 54
Re-establish passenger rail services
to Maryborough
This $50 million initiative will reconnect the central Victorian
centre of Maryborough to the regional rail network after
the closure of the Mildura line in the 1990s. Fourteen
weekly train trips will start in 2010 between Maryborough
and Ballarat, with onward connections to Melbourne.

The Government will assess the feasibility of returning
passenger services on the Mildura corridor once the
current freight upgrade is complete.
"aussiebbq"

So they mean a Stony Point style service with shuttles running to Ballarat where passengers connect there for services on to Melbourne?

If that's the case, I can see that having a few moments where the idea will suck. If the train, probably a Sprinter, or two is going to arrive in Ballarat late, will the connecting train wait for them? Probably not and I hope the connection time is longer than that at Frankston for Stony Point passengers.

And why is the line running to Ballarat? Wouldn't it be easier for the train to run to Castlemaine?


Metro.
  VBAndy Chief Commissioner

Why is the line running to Ballarat? Wouldn't it be easier for the train to run to Castlemaine?
"Metro Transit"

Ignoring the Ballarat route is direct compared to Castlemaine, the line from Maryborough-Castlemaine would require an upgrade from "barely a siding" to an actual railway line again...which costs more money. And once again I mention the line from Moolort-Maldon Jcn is booked out to begin with and to use this section the VGR has to cease its tourist operations between Muckleford & Maldon Jcn.

Most viable being what V/line have said they will do next...Tocumal.

Side note: Beanz, how many threads will you start a day? Ease up Ol' China, before you cross the line in to troll territory.
  Ballast_Plough Chief Commissioner

Location: Lilydale, Vic
My plan for Maryborough had been a Sprinter shuttle service which connects at Ballarat for Melb / Ararat trains and continues to Geelong where it connects with Melbourne / Warrnambool trains.
  DalyWaters Chief Commissioner

Easy question.

Wagga Wagga.

Biggest waste of Victorian taxpayers money ever, but there seems to be movement afoot to make it happen.
  Trainplanner Chief Commissioner

Location: Along the Line
Stawell
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland


Most viable being what V/line have said they will do next...Tocumal.
"VBAndy"


A V/Line study made back In about 2000, In returning passenger trains to Cobram, Yarrawonga and Rutherglen found that It was not viable, mostly due to lack of population and the fact that a train service would be no better then than the present coach service.
  toxation Chief Commissioner

Location: Cobram, Victoria
Although that is the case, studies completed eight, no, now nine years ago are no longer applicable today.

Cobram's population has increased more than 20% while Yarrawonga's blew up by 50% since then.

Five years seems to be the cycle for studies of most kinds.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Although that is the case, studies completed eight, no, now nine years ago are no longer applicable today.

Cobram's population has increased more than 20% while Yarrawonga's blew up by 50% since then.

Five years seems to be the cycle for studies of most kinds.
"toxation"


Yes that might be the case

Cobram would get the train not Tocumwal because the coach goes via Cobram, Barooga, then on to Tocumwal.

When Tocumwal had a pass train, Cobram also had one too (a railmotor shuttle)
  toxation Chief Commissioner

Location: Cobram, Victoria
Although that is the case, studies completed eight, no, now nine years ago are no longer applicable today.

Cobram's population has increased more than 20% while Yarrawonga's blew up by 50% since then.

Five years seems to be the cycle for studies of most kinds.
"toxation"


Yes that might be the case

Cobram would get the train not Tocumwal because the coach goes via Cobram, Barooga, then on to Tocumwal.

When Tocumwal had a pass train, Cobram also had one too (a railmotor shuttle)
"Nightfire"


Hmm, I wish I shared your affirmation. The junction has been removed and a train hasn't run in something like six or eight years. Add to this that track hasn't been maintained for over 15 years...

It would be an expensive proposition to bring trains back to Cobram, with new signalling, station at Cobram, etc.. I think if the Shepparton service is extended, it'll go to Tocumwal, as much as I dislike that scenario.
  xtrapolis954m Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere in HBE
With regards to the Maryborough, could it be an extension of an Ararat V/Locity? Say, 2/3 to Ararat, 2/3 to Maryborough, and then have them re-connect at Ballarat for the trip back to Melbourne?

I feel that Wagga Wagga could be a good idea, and the extension to there would not be surprising IMHO.

Cheers, Lachlan.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
umm, I wish I shared your affirmation. The junction has been removed and a train hasn't run in something like six or eight years. Add to this that track hasn't been maintained for over 15 years...
"toxation"

Yes thats right


It would be an expensive proposition to bring trains back to Cobram, with new signalling, station at Cobram, etc.. I think if the Shepparton service is extended, it'll go to Tocumwal, as much as I dislike that scenario.
"toxation"


Duno

If passenger trains were to Return to that area It would be because of political motivation and since Cobram Is In Victoria and Tocumwal Is not
I think that would make all the difference.

Costs wouldn't be that much of an Issue (you'd probably find that they would be much the same ?)
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
With regards to the Maryborough, could it be an extension of an Ararat V/Locity? Say, 2/3 to Ararat, 2/3 to Maryborough, and then have them re-connect at Ballarat for the trip back to Melbourne?

Cheers, Lachlan.
"xtrapolis954m"


Splitting the trains at Ballarat Is fine but as for joining them back up agin, thats easier said then done unless there Is a long dwell time at Ballarat to alowe the trains to be hocked together and recovery time If one train Is late arriving at Ballarat.

VR did combined trains a bit In the past (North East & Goulburn Valley passenger trains)
  toxation Chief Commissioner

Location: Cobram, Victoria



It would be an expensive proposition to bring trains back to Cobram, with new signalling, station at Cobram, etc.. I think if the Shepparton service is extended, it'll go to Tocumwal, as much as I dislike that scenario.
"toxation"


Duno

If passenger trains were to Return to that area It would be because of political motivation and since Cobram Is In Victoria and Tocumwal Is not
I think that would make all the difference.

Costs wouldn't be that much of an Issue (you'd probably find that they would be much the same ?)
"Nightfire"


Although normally I would agree with you, in a marginal seat, that's not the case up here. There is no political motivation, as we sit in one of the safest National seats in Victoria.

As for costs. Regardless of condition of the old, a new railway station would have to be built in Cobram with a run round siding.

Yes, the evils of council have absorbed the former VicTrack land west of the Murray Valley Highway.
  fast01 BUTTSCRATCHER!

Location: Somewhere your not.
Although that is the case, studies completed eight, no, now nine years ago are no longer applicable today.

Cobram's population has increased more than 20% while Yarrawonga's blew up by 50% since then.

Five years seems to be the cycle for studies of most kinds.
"toxation"


Yes that might be the case

Cobram would get the train not Tocumwal because the coach goes via Cobram, Barooga, then on to Tocumwal.

When Tocumwal had a pass train, Cobram also had one too (a railmotor shuttle)
"Nightfire"
Let me give you a little insight as to how it would operate via Toc.
Griffith Bus to Toc, with connection to train & Cobram bus to Toc with connection to train. The basis of the extension to Toc is the fact the Griffith Bus now carries enough patronage to warrant a train at least some of the way.
  ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

Location: BleakCity
*Wagga - not a good idea for a service subsidised by the State of Victoria.

*Cobram/Tocumwal - can't see it given traffic's so low; of two, former is more likely due to networking issues

*Yarrawonga/Rutherglen - too long, and too short, respectively; no chance

*Stawell/Nhill - unlikely, would only come about as a vote-grabbing exercise (though that would describe all of these)

*Healesville/Leongatha/Koo Wee Rup - dead

*Deniliquin - too far into gringo land

*Hamilton/Portland/Mt Gambier - bonus points for optimism, but rail to these places is too slow

Hard to pick a winner, however I'll go with Horsham, but only when the ALP needs to bolster their Ripon District vote (Maryborough satisfies that aim for the mean time).

They have no chance of claiming the Lowan District, but it's far too short to just go to Stawell only, and the full extension to Horsham would help their country vote somewhat overall.

Still, that's the best pick from a pack of losers.

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