Construction Progress Southern Sydney Freight Line 2009-13

 
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
Not long to go now until the SSFL Is declared open for Business - To me this represents a Huge Milestone, And Something which should have been done ages ago
"lsrailfan"


Quite so

Paradoxically, because  Freight and Pax in NSW use the same gauge, it may have been assumed that they could share the same tracks forever, and like "boiling frog", the problem got ever worse as the number of Pax trains between Liverpool and Macarthur streadily increased from the1968 Electrification onwards.

Compare this with Melbourne to Geelong, where if SG ARTC Freight were to share BG Pax, all sorts of complicated Dual Gauge would have been required, not counting inconvenient construction shutdowns ; much easier to build a separate SG ARTC Freight line.

BTW, the connection from the SSFL to Minto Container terminal seems to have been removed, so that these Container trains will presumably continue to use the Pax tracks.

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  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: North of the border!

Not long to go now until the SSFL Is declared open for Business - To me this represents a Huge Milestone, And Something which should have been done ages ago
"lsrailfan"


Quite so

Paradoxically, because Freight and Pax in NSW use the same gauge, it may have been assumed that they could share the same tracks forever, and like "boiling frog", the problem got ever worse as the number of Pax trains between Liverpool and Macarthur streadily increased from the1968 Electrification onwards.

Compare this with Melbourne to Geelong, where if SG ARTC Freight were to share BG Pax, all sorts of complicated Dual Gauge would have been required, not counting inconvenient construction shutdowns ; much easier to build a separate SG ARTC Freight line.

BTW, the connection from the SSFL to Minto Container terminal seems to have been removed, so that these Container trains will presumably continue to use the Pax tracks.

"awsgc24"


Working around that curfew Rolling Eyes - still leaves all those other RC lines!

P.S. Situation with MIST was covered much earlier in this fred - it was not to be connected to the SSFL at Minto however there was to be an interface with RC tracks at Glenfield. However RC required those connections removed during the EIA process.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Hi Folks, today I have  a Couple of Shots of the Railmotors doing Driver Training on the SSFL

http://www.flickr.com/photos/32678796@N05/8312554085/in/photostream- CPH'S 7 and 1  Depart Leightonfield on the First Run out to Mcarthur

http://www.flickr.com/photos/32678796@N05/8312552497/in/photostream/- Here they are Returning on the First Run of the day , They made a Couple of more runs after this

Kind Regards


  BDA Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Vine reckons more tomorrow and Monday .
Vine also thinks SSFL canned again and open for business on Jan 8th .
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney


P.S. Situation with MIST was covered much earlier in this fred - it was not to be connected to the SSFL at Minto however there was to be a
interface with RC tracks at Glenfield. However RC required those connections removed during the EIA process.
"cootanee"


At least the MIST trains are short, light, and fast and can mix in with PAX trains comfortably.


BTW, as the SSFL single line sections are fairly long, (Chullora-Leightonfield(loop)-Glenfield(loop)-Glenlee) are these single line sections to be divided by intermediate Home+Distant block signals?
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Hi folks, Today I sighted the Railmotors out at Glenfield on day 2 of the Driver Training for the SSFL

http://www.flickr.com/photos/32678796@N05/8315884897/in/photostream/

Kind Regards
  BDA Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Scenery probably looked nice out the side windows ...
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Scenery probably looked nice out the side windows ...
"BDA"


I take it you tagged along for the ride Wink
  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: North of the border!


P.S. Situation with MIST was covered much earlier in this fred - it was not to be connected to the SSFL at Minto however there was to be a
interface with RC tracks at Glenfield. However RC required those connections removed during the EIA process.
"cootanee"


At least the MIST trains are short, light, and fast and can mix in with PAX trains comfortably.


BTW, as the SSFL single line sections are fairly long, (Chullora-Leightonfield(loop)-Glenfield(loop)-Glenlee) are these single line sections to be divided by intermediate Home+Distant block signals?
"awsgc24"



Re. MIST - one less bit of co-ordination between RC and ARTC operations is probably a good thing Wink

As for dividing the sections further, anything is possible but with L-GL 12 mins and GL-M 14 mins probably no real need for a while yet... may well have ATMS by the time it is Exclamation


  saltyone Locomotive Fireman

Location: Sydney
Took a run from Glenfield to Minto and noticed all signals are operational, the new ARTC timetable starts on 21 Jan and shows a number of crosses in the Glenfield loop, is this line just about ready to go?
  raymcd Locomotive Driver

Location: Artarmon NSW


P.S. Situation with MIST was covered much earlier in this fred - it was not to be connected to the SSFL at Minto however there was to be a
interface with RC tracks at Glenfield. However RC required those connections removed during the EIA process.
"cootanee"


At least the MIST trains are short, light, and fast and can mix in with PAX trains comfortably.


BTW, as the SSFL single line sections are fairly long, (Chullora-Leightonfield(loop)-Glenfield(loop)-Glenlee) are these single line sections to be divided by intermediate Home+Distant block signals?
"awsgc24"


Re intermediate signals:

There are no intermediate signals on the SSFL

See  http://www.sa-trackandsignal.net/Pdf%20files/ARTC/AR704.pdf

Follow links from Leightonfield to MacArthur



  EMD-SD45X Chief Train Controller



P.S. Situation with MIST was covered much earlier in this fred - it was not to be connected to the SSFL at Minto however there was to be a
interface with RC tracks at Glenfield. However RC required those connections removed during the EIA process.
"cootanee"


At least the MIST trains are short, light, and fast and can mix in with PAX trains comfortably.


BTW, as the SSFL single line sections are fairly long, (Chullora-Leightonfield(loop)-Glenfield(loop)-Glenlee) are these single line sections to be divided by intermediate Home+Distant block signals?
"awsgc24"


Re intermediate signals:

There are no intermediate signals on the SSFL

See http://www.sa-trackandsignal.net/Pdf%20files/ARTC/AR704.pdf

Follow links from Leightonfield to MacArthur


"raymcd"


For something that should be more accurate there are an alarming amount of errors (Sydney Metro area) in those diagrams.
Thanks for the handy link, very useful otherwise.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Took a run from Glenfield to Minto and noticed all signals are operational, the new ARTC timetable starts on 21 Jan and shows a number of crosses in the Glenfield loop, is this line just about ready to go?
"saltyone"


I believe a Couple of Freights have used it already- But not that many, There is a Notice out for the Next Couple of Weeks the Freights will be Diverted via the East Hills Line, And from thence on I think they will use the SSFL

Kind Regards
  saltyone Locomotive Fireman

Location: Sydney
Took a run from Glenfield to Minto and noticed all signals are operational, the new ARTC timetable starts on 21 Jan and shows a number of crosses in the Glenfield loop, is this line just about ready to go?
"saltyone"


I believe a Couple of Freights have used it already- But not that many, There is a Notice out for the Next Couple of Weeks the Freights will be Diverted via the East Hills Line, And from thence on I think they will use the SSFL

Kind Regards
"lsrailfan"


Thanks for that, I have now collated all daylight freights for the SSFL for Glenfield Loop and Macarthur and listed timings and days WEF 21 Jan 13.  If anyone would like a copy just send to me at saltyone@bigpond.com
  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: North of the border!
Took a run from Glenfield to Minto and noticed all signals are operational, the new ARTC timetable starts on 21 Jan and shows a number of crosses in the Glenfield loop, is this line just about ready to go?
"saltyone"


I believe a Couple of Freights have used it already- But not that many, There is a Notice out for the Next Couple of Weeks the Freights will be Diverted via the East Hills Line, And from thence on I think they will use the SSFL

Kind Regards
"lsrailfan"


TAA for this week.

http://extranet.artc.com.au/docman/DocManFiles/DocTypes/TAA/Files/0008-2013.PDF?275824050


  jcouch Assistant Commissioner

Location: Asleep on a commuter train
Foaming gunzel time  Laughing

Spotted NR14, 25 & 26 thundering south  at a great rate of knots on the SSFL at macfields this evening around 8:15pm, so she's definitely open for business now!
  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: North of the border!
Foaming gunzel time Laughing Spotted NR14, 25 & 26 thundering south at a great rate of knots on the SSFL at macfields this evening around 8:15pm, so she's definitely open for business now!
"jcouch"


Good Oh - that would confirm BDA's post earlier.

As for it being in use over the weekend ???


  crazyles1957 Station Master

Oh yes. triple NR,s speeding thru Glenfield @ 2014, It announced itself with a quick horn blast. Have been train spoting at Glenfield and have seen 2up & 2 down freights pass thru on Railcorp tracks, between 1920-2010.
see south line shutdown.
  BDA Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Latest word is fully open for business on the 23rd . Reason was given as multiple rail fractures being removed .
Also axle counters are not said to be operating properly .
Those that got a run on the Tin Hore reckon the rails have kinks in places and thats probably because of the second hand rail used in SSFL .
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney

Latest word is fully open for business on the 23rd . Reason was given as multiple rail fractures being removed . Also axle counters are not said to be operating properly . Those that got a run on the Tin Hore reckon the rails have kinks in places and thats probably because of the second hand rail used in SSFL .
"BDA"


Some overbridge piers, such as the station footbridge at Campbelltown have been encased in concrete for derailment protection.

The Railcorp stabling yard at Campbelltown now has road access with a level crossing with lights and boom gates for protection..

Some speed boards on the SSFL in the up direction include

105km/h between Macarthur and Campbelltown

115km/h north of Campbelltown

80km/h approaching Glenfield Loop (less than 115km/h because of curves and gradients over the loop flyover,, perhaps)

X60km/h entering Glenfield Loop

If I can see correctly (IICSC) The loop is on the east of down side of the SSFL.

no more speedboards visible as buses replaced trains between Glenfield and Villawood for some reason/

  jcouch Assistant Commissioner

Location: Asleep on a commuter train
Bustitution is because of liverpool station upgrade works.
  BDA Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Most recent story is that SSFL will be open on the 21st so not too far away .

Vines latest gen is that with a clear road it takes a superfreighter ~ 30 min from the southern jct to SFT Chullora . Rumor has it that 22 is achievable but we'll get back on that .
  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: North of the border!



Latest word is fully open for business on the 23rd . Reason was given as multiple rail fractures being removed . Also axle counters are not said to be operating properly . Those that got a run on the Tin Hore reckon the rails have kinks in places and thats probably because of the second hand rail used in SSFL .
"BDA"


Some overbridge piers, such as the station footbridge at Campbelltown have been encased in concrete for derailment protection.

The Railcorp stabling yard at Campbelltown now has road access with a level crossing with lights and boom gates for protection..

Some speed boards on the SSFL in the up direction include

105km/h between Macarthur and Campbelltown

115km/h north of Campbelltown

80km/h approaching Glenfield Loop (less than 115km/h because of curves and gradients over the loop flyover,, perhaps)

X60km/h entering Glenfield Loop

If I can see correctly (IICSC) The loop is on the east of down side of the SSFL.

no more speedboards visible as buses replaced trains between Glenfield and Villawood for some reason/

"awsgc24"


Freight was/is 80kph north from just south of Glenfield on RC track too.

Diagram here with speeds  http://extranet.artc.com.au/docman/DocManFiles/DocTypes/SAFE/Files/2-1821.PDF?1308208571


Enjoy Exclamation
  Keith1954 Junior Train Controller

Location: Macarthur

A couple of questions about signals on the SSFL.

The first one; there is a signal between Macathur station and the roundabout going in to Glen Alpine.  It is about 5 or 6 golf ball size white lights in a row under a triangle shaped box.  Can some explain?

It is about 50 to 100 meters before the the three colour signal with the route displays on top for down traffic.

The second on is at Glenfield; I always thought that signals were on the left side of the track in the direction of travel.  But, the end of the loop at Glenfield the left track has the down signal on the left and the right track has the down signal on the right.  I am sure there is a good reason just interested to know why?

  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney





Latest word is fully open for business on the 23rd . Reason was given as multiple rail fractures being removed . Also axle counters are not said to be operating properly . Those that got a run on the Tin Hore reckon the rails have kinks in places and thats probably because of the second hand rail used in SSFL .
"BDA"


Some overbridge piers, such as the station footbridge at Campbelltown have been encased in concrete for derailment protection.

The Railcorp stabling yard at Campbelltown now has road access with a level crossing with lights and boom gates for protection..

Some speed boards on the SSFL in the up direction include

105km/h between Macarthur and Campbelltown

115km/h north of Campbelltown

80km/h approaching Glenfield Loop (less than 115km/h because of curves and gradients over the loop flyover,, perhaps)

X60km/h entering Glenfield Loop

If I can see correctly (IICSC) The loop is on the east of down side of the SSFL.

no more speedboards visible as buses replaced trains between Glenfield and Villawood for some reason/

"awsgc24"


Freight was/is 80kph north from just south of Glenfield on RC track too.

Diagram here with speeds http://extranet.artc.com.au/docman/DocManFiles/DocTypes/SAFE/Files/2-1821.PDF?1308208571


"cootanee"


There appears to be a very short stretch of 65km/h (142metres) on the Glenfield Loop Mainline over the flyover, where perhaps space restrictions have caused an unduely sharp curve or vertical curve. That being the case, X60 rather than X80 loop turnouts are satisfactory.

This short speed restriction slows down a 1500m train for perhaps 1700m.

It is good that the speed boards are shown on the Driver's Diagrams (as well as in a table).

Although loop lengths are important when running long trains, the Driver's Diagrams do not say succintly (in as many words) what the crossing loops lengths actually are. Saves ink and electons when printing the DD.



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