Construction Progress Southern Sydney Freight Line 2009-13

 
  Piston Train Controller


Just had a quick look at the ARTC Safe Notice 2 - 1822 covering the Local Appendix offering for the SSFL.

Page 2: LAU 010 Item (d) for the level crossing at Casula offers two kilometrages 38.045km or 38.838km. Take your pick.

Page 3: LAU 050 the Sefton Dive (a) quotes the kilometrage at 21.707km but in the diagram it looses 100 metres to become 21.607km. Again your choice.

Page 4: LAU 055 Leightonfield's kilometrage is shown as 23.665km but the level crossing No 6 on diagram (a) has its kilometrage shown as 23.530km in LAU 010. This must mean that Leightonfield is south of the level crossing km.

Page 6: LAU 060 Glenfield in (a) diagram the loop is shown as 1870m metres long, but below in (d) it shrinks to 1850metres. Where did the 20 metres go?
            In General Arrangements it says "A crossing loop and sidings is(sic) provided at Glenfield. Sidings at Glenfield? Not when I last looked at the diagram.
            Then in (f) it mentions "points 217, 218, 220 and 221 and catch points" Na sorry they are back at Leightonfield. Try 222 and 223 points.
            Next line mentions Telephones at Leightonfield. Who cares if you are at Glenfield looking for a phone?

Page 7: LAU 065 Campbelltown Service Level crossing. The kilometrage listed at (a) is 55.245km but in the diagram is reads 55.745km. 500 metres difference, so where is  the  correct KM?
           In (c) it mentions Safe Flash and Cerbeurs. Maybe this should read Ceberus?

Well it looks like to me yet another typical ARTC document, no care and no responsibility attitude they are so good at. Then again at least they put something out even if it has heaps of errors in it.

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  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not

If all things go according to Plan- And the SSFL is open tommorrow, The first freight to use it will be the Diverted 7YN2

Kind Regards

*Edit* Either that or 7BM2

  boxythingy Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned

Yeah 'pretty complex' for a country which does require any Earthquake sensors or something similarly and more complex. Then again, I am not an engineer!

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/we-wanted-to-make-sure-we-got-it-right-new-rail-line-opens--three-years-late-20130121-2d279.html

'We wanted to make sure we got it right': new rail line opens ... three years late

   January 21, 2013 - 1:35PM

Jacob Saulwick

Transport Reporter



Frustrated ... Anthony Albanese.

Anthony Albanese ... "This is a pretty complex piece of work." Photo: Sean Davey

The first train line in Sydney to be paid for and built under the Rudd and Gillard governments opened on Monday, $700 million over budget and three years after it was promised to be finished.

The 36km Southern Sydney Freight Line will allow extra freight trains to run between Macarthur and Chullora in the city's south west and will increase rail freight capacity along the entire Australian east coast.

   This is an investment that's been got right. This isn't a loss to taxpayers. This is an investment that produces a return on that investment by getting it right.

But the project ended up being vastly more expensive to build than when it was first promised by the federal Transport Minister, Anthony Albanese, in 2009.

At a press conference in Birrong to mark the start of operations on the line, Mr Albanese and the chief executive of the Australian Rail Track Corporation, which built the line, defended the blow-out.

The final cost was about $1 billion. When Mr Albanese announced the start of construction in February 2009, he put a figure of $309 million on the project and a completion date of early 2010.

"This is a pretty complex piece of work," Mr Albanese said on Monday.

He attributed the delays and cost blow-outs to the necessity of moving utilities such as water and energy lines during construction.

Mr Albanese also said that the difficulty of operating on a live rail line – both freight trains and passenger trains on the adjoining East Hills line stayed running while the new line was being built – added to the challenge of the project.

"We wanted to make sure we got it right," the Transport Minister said. "No corners have been cut. This has been got right."

The Australian Rail Track Corporation is owned by the federal government. As with the NBN Co. it receives money from the federal government in the form of investments which do not come off the government's budget bottom line.

Mr Albanese declined to criticise the ARTC for the more than three-fold increase in the cost of the project. According to figures provided to Senate Estimates, the ARTC spent almost $12 million in planning the line before construction even started in 2009.

"This is an investment," he said. "This is an investment that's been got right. This isn't a loss to taxpayers. This is an investment that produces a return on that investment by getting it right."

Mr Fullerton said the new train line, which will allow capacity for up to 48 freight trains a day to pass through the area and potentially to Port Botany, was the largest project the ARTC had undertaken.

"The original budget made some assumptions on how we could build a line over 36 kilometres adjacent to a metropolitan line but when we got into the project we realised that lot of the services covering off Sydney Water, a lot of the RailCorp services to do with signalling, electricity lines, all those sorts of things had to be relocated and that comes at a significant cost over 36 kilometres," Mr Fullerton said.

The ARTC stopped work on the freight line in late 2009 and 2010. The benefit of the line is in allowing passenger trains and freight trains to run separately from each other.

This means that an existing eight-hour curfew on freight trains running during the morning and afternoon peak periods can now be lifted.

Mr Albanese defended the record of the federal Labor government in relation to transport in Sydney.

As transport minister, he has promised to build the Epping to Parramatta train line, though that pledge has been scuppered by the O'Farrell government which ranks it a lower priority. He has also agreed to fund a new freight terminal at Moorebank and another freight train line through Sydney's northern suburbs, though both are still at the planning stage.

"What Sydney needs is a little bit of positive when it comes to infrastructure, because for too long its been just negative and what's that led to is governments to not make decisions that should have been made a long time beforehand," he said.

"This should have been a separate line, not years ago, not decades ago, but maybe a hundred years ago, in terms of the port having dedicated rail freight lines."

The project also included a mix of new access lifts, pedestrian bridges and ramps to Leumeah, Minto, Cabramatta, Sefton, Warwick Farm and Casula stations.


Also appeared on ABC 24



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  abesty1 Chief Commissioner

Location: The CityRail Network
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  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: North of the border!



Yeah 'pretty complex' for a country which does require any Earthquake sensors or something similarly and more complex. Then again, I am not an engineer!

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/we-wanted-to-make-sure-we-got-it-right-new-rail-line-opens--three-years-late-20130121-2d279.html

[quote:c24114ea8c]'We wanted to make sure we got it right': new rail line opens ... three years late

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"boxythingy"


Three years late... Someone missed this (September 2004) Rolling Eyes
http://www.artc.com.au/library/agreement_syd.pdf

Now I wonder where that $192m figure came from? Railcorp?
Hopefully the NSFC works (costing much more per km) will be a bit more realistic.

  boxythingy Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned

It will be more than 3 years late. The associated works such as sound barrier walls are still incomplete at some sections. The line may be functional, yes but it will be noisy for the meantime.

I wasn't even in the area nor was I interested in Railways back in 1995, but when the Glenfield-Ingleburn freight passing loops were complete, why weren't the loops also built elsewhere? In essence behind all the politics, and focusing on solely the purpose, functionality and advantages this line brings, we can conclude the line was in fact more than a DECADE late.

  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: North of the border!



It will be more than 3 years late. The associated works such as sound barrier walls are still incomplete at some sections. The line may be functional, yes but it will be noisy for the meantime.

I wasn't even in the area nor was I interested in Railways back in 1995, but when the Glenfield-Ingleburn freight passing loops were complete, why weren't the loops also built elsewhere? In essence behind all the politics, and focusing on solely the purpose, functionality and advantages this line brings, we can conclude the line was in fact more than a DECADE late.

"boxythingy"


It was first seriously tabled in 1992. Of course if the ARTC NSW Lease didn't happen - would we have it yet???

The 2004 cost quoted was way too low - as with everything leading into the lease I doubt ARTC came up with that figure itself. If you look at all Fed media releases since (under both sides) you'll note that none state that the guvmnt was funding it (normally they can't restrain themselves). I suspect there was a funding issue when costs started to blow out - about the time the GFC hit - the same time work was suspended. Turned out the delay was fortuitous with Reed dropped from the project.

The NSFC works will be an interesting - NSW took 5 years to agree to the deal. Planning is underway. It will be interesting to see whether TfNSW will stay within budget.

  KymN Assistant Commissioner

Location: Sydney



The NSFC works will be an interesting - NSW took 5 years to agree to the deal. Planning is underway. It will be interesting to see whether TfNSW will stay within budget.

"cootanee"


$1bn buys ARTC 36km track, 2 grade separations and 1 crossing loop.   Finished.  $1bn buys TfNSW 5km track, 1 grade separation and 1 crossing loop.  Still planning.  Go figure.  Must be the wiring.

  jcouch Assistant Commissioner

Location: Asleep on a commuter train
I'm not normally one to defend government costs and spending, but the terrain that SSFL has to travel over is waaaaay easier than NSFC. Basically flat in open farm terrain for most of it, versus built up hilly suburban.
  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: North of the border!



I'm not normally one to defend government costs and spending, but the terrain that SSFL has to travel over is waaaaay easier than NSFC. Basically flat in open farm terrain for most of it, versus built up hilly suburban.

"jcouch"


Maybe a bit simplistic a take on it Surprised
Only some sections of the SSFL are 'open farm terrain'. Mostly, urban residential/industrial - plenty of NIMBYs Rolling Eyes. There were a number of bridges/viaducts required not to mention the dive, then throw in Cabramatta plus the seemingly hundreds of services in/under and over that 36kms

Now the NSFC has gone thru a much more rigorous estimating exercise than the SSFL got in 2004 - whether they can deliver remains to be seen.

  BDA Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney

Its never as easy as it looks , particularly when its finished .

Possibly the biggest ticket items were the dive at Sefton , the bit round the down side of Liverpool and the flyover north of Glenfield .

Building over ancient services and drains was a nightmare and must have cost a fortune .

Also no doubt ARTC was gouged for big bickies over some of the adjacent Stations including roads car parks power water drainage lighting etc .

I suspect that the project stalled in the middle because Rail Corp wasn't 100% sure what they wanted to do at Liverpool Glenfield and Campbelltown . An outsider wanting to build close to their uncertainty was very likely a problem for them .

People used to say a million bux doesn't go too far and in this day an age we're learning where a billion gets you .

Building SSFL was not exactly like making 38 km of Darwin line , where you could potentially work 24/7 without disturbing too many people . Or without a electrified railway within cat swing .

The $64 question is will SSFL cope with current and future traffic density - and what if its lacking . Can it be improved upon and is this likely .

Q2 , could the mostly single line have been better ? Yep the flyover speeds are a bit slow and some will argue that the line should have stayed on the up side of the mains and gone over closer to Casula .

I hope there is potential for another loop in the Ingleburn Minto area to break up the longest section and hold one more long train .

A problem that many may not have forseen is how well Chullora and Enfield yards cope with potentially more trains inbound and if they can't depart trains in time to accept more . It doesn't take that many long ones to tie them right up and ATM there isn't the capacity or 24 hour priority if they have to go north .

The next few months will answer some of these questions .

  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: North of the border!

BDA made a couple of salient points.

ARTC would have bourne the full cost of locating and then either relocating or protecting a service unless the owner wanted to improve it in the process. I know that it's not only a bl##dy costly exercise - it's a f#ing painful one - multiplied over its entire length.

And yes Railcorp had to move many of its services which was in the context of an operational rail corridor.

If the SSFL hits capacity any time soon that would be something Surprised. A future loop somewhere between Campbelltown and Macfields would be doable. Moorebank terminal the great white hope on that side of the equation.

As for why things went where they did - EIA doco gives some insight. Anyone built a house without the budget they wish they had Laughing
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not

Hi all, I have a Photo of 2MB4 On the SSFL Today, at Leightonfield, Lead Units were 9302,9301,

http://www.flickr.com/photos/32678796@N05/8403532689/in/photostream

Kind Regards-

  KymN Assistant Commissioner

Location: Sydney




I'm not normally one to defend government costs and spending, but the terrain that SSFL has to travel over is waaaaay easier than NSFC. Basically flat in open farm terrain for most of it, versus built up hilly suburban.

"jcouch"


Apart from the grade there is little in the way of the 5km of NSFC track.  No land acquisition, the road bridges over the railway were all built for quad and only a modest amount of formation widening is needed.  Two stations need work; the other is largely untouched.  Only the area near the M2 and Devlin's Creek are a bit tricky.  

Not sure what is needed for the crossing loop up further.  Maybe the North Strathfield grade separation is where the costs are.  Something similar at Goodwood SA is $440m.

  boxythingy Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
Reasons why it took extra time and money to build:

http://media.smh.com.au/news/national-news/billiondollar-freight-rail-opens-3969391.html
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney



I
Building over ancient services and drains was a nightmare and must have cost a fortune

.
"BDA"


While some bridges, etc, were built with room for hypothetical extra track(s), much of the signalling, signal cables, and signal huts were pretty new, but happened to be in the wrong place, and required relocation. Also some of the pedestrian footbridges came down to ground level on the wrong side of the SSFL. Since the need for the SSFL has been growning for decades, in "boiling frog" manner, this is all a pity.

  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: North of the border!

When the line got the nod I took note of all the pinch points and expected it wasn't going to be cheap. Things that stood out during construction...

- The dive and all the restrictions placed on ARTC. Likewise the traffic management politics and utilities work associated with overbridge works between Sefton Junction to Cabramatta.

- Getting it through Cabramatta went down like a lead balloon with the locals and Fairfield Council weren't any shrinking violet

- Skirting the Georges River at Liverpool

- Overpass for Liverpool Hospital which ARTC was required to part fund

- Casula Powerhouse level crossing closure requiring ARTC to build a new access road

- Threading it around Campbelltown Yard with a creek redirected and plenty of utilities in the way and CC Council wanting more for land it went through.

- Media about all the extra noise, more trains - plenty of I want a noise barrier too stories!

  Piston Train Controller


I noticed there was a recent thread where ARTC was removing or not providing check rails on bridges.

They were not provided on the Wodonga viaduct and not sure with the new Wagga Wagga viaduct.

But surprise, surprise photos I have seen of the new ARTC Glenfield flyover and it has got check rails on both tracks.

Change of heart, or did Railcorp tell them they didn't want the freighters toppling down on top of their passenger trains?

  Keith1954 Junior Train Controller

Location: Macarthur
Last night (Tuesday 22nd) while at Macarthur at 21:05 I saw the cement train (don't know it's number) pass through on the SSFL.  It normally waits at the Glen Alpine signal and follows the 21:16 local.
  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: North of the border!



I noticed there was a recent thread where ARTC was removing or not providing check rails on bridges.

They were not provided on the Wodonga viaduct and not sure with the new Wagga Wagga viaduct.

But surprise, surprise photos I have seen of the new ARTC Glenfield flyover and it has got check rails on both tracks.

Change of heart, or did Railcorp tell them they didn't want the freighters toppling down on top of their passenger trains?

"Piston"


Haven't seen anything rescinding this http://extranet.artc.com.au/docman/DocManFiles/DocTypes/SAFE/Files/2-1657.PDF?309396603


This is well after both Wodonga and Wagga Wagga were constructed.

You'll probably find that the final design was signed off well before ARTC announced this determination. Remember that in March 2012 construction was back if full swing and it would probably be more grief to go back and change the designs, reestimate the cost, get the required approvals, cancel whatever orders had already been placed etc (anyone who managed a project would understand Mad ).

As for RC, plenty of other ways for a freightie to come off the rails where there's not a check rail in sight - they do bring them down to 80 though Wink


  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: North of the border!





I noticed there was a recent thread where ARTC was removing or not providing check rails on bridges.

They were not provided on the Wodonga viaduct and not sure with the new Wagga Wagga viaduct.

But surprise, surprise photos I have seen of the new ARTC Glenfield flyover and it has got check rails on both tracks.

Change of heart, or did Railcorp tell them they didn't want the freighters toppling down on top of their passenger trains?

"Piston"


Haven't seen anything rescinding this http://extranet.artc.com.au/docman/DocManFiles/DocTypes/SAFE/Files/2-1657.PDF?309396603


This is well after both Wodonga and Wagga Wagga were constructed.

You'll probably find that the final design was signed off well before ARTC announced this determination. Remember that in March 2012 construction was back if full swing and it would probably be more grief to go back and change the designs, reestimate the cost, get the required approvals, cancel whatever orders had already been placed etc (anyone who managed a project would understand Mad ).

As for RC, plenty of other ways for a freightie to come off the rails where there's not a check rail in sight - they do bring them down to 80 though Wink
"cootanee"


Checked out the line today and no checkrails used on the numerous viaducts and bridges constructed. That includes the Prospect Creek Bridge, the Georges River skirt, southern viaduct to the overpass. long Bow Bowing Creek viaduct/bridge and the bridge over creek sitting under Narellan Road (also on a curve). Sounds like the flyover overpass is it Surprised
  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: North of the border!

Whilst checking out the line this morning over almost 3 hours, only one very long PN freightie with 2x93 up front (1PS6 - early?). There seems to be plenty of free space in the MTP.

I gather traffic would need to quadruple for the SSFL to be at capacity.

  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not



Whilst checking out the line this morning over almost 3 hours, only one very long PN freightie with 2x93 up front (1PS6 - early?). There seems to be plenty of free space in the MTP.

I gather traffic would need to quadruple for the SSFL to be at capacity.
"cootanee"


The 93'S that you saw would have been Probably 4MB4 Intermodal-

  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney


Sounds like the (Glenfield) flyover overpass is it Surprised
"cootanee"


There are 60km/h speed boards over about 140m of this flyover, which may indicate sharper than normal curves, or perhaps curves without proper transitions.



  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: North of the border!
Not much left now. A few very short bits of fencing and odd bit of sound barrier to complete. Clean up crews about.

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