Maldon Dombarton Study Out

 
  arctic Deputy Commissioner

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  8603 Locomotive Driver

Location: Canberra
It quotes to complete the project without electrification would be approx. $550m (2009 dollars). It also notes the project is quite unique because it would not take very long to complete.
  4001firstdiesel Chief Commissioner

Location: GONE!!!! TIRED OF THE ABUSE AND PERSONAL ATTACKS
Nathan Rees might want to fund this project, mainly because the state requires it. And our economy has slowed to a crawl.

Regards,
Ben
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
How long is the Dombarton tunnel and what is its gradient?

Is this tunnel suitable for diesel locomotives and their fumes?
  Athol Chief Train Controller

Location: Within sight of the Newcastle St bridge over the Main North, Cardiff NSW
Interesting reading.

I note that the proposal to deviate the main south along part of this corridor to bypass the winding piece around Picton didn't rate a mention.  I thought that that could have been combined with this to improve viability while also making it viable to build the western end as double track immediately.
  Athol Chief Train Controller

Location: Within sight of the Newcastle St bridge over the Main North, Cardiff NSW
How long is the Dombarton tunnel and what is its gradient?

Is this tunnel suitable for diesel locomotives and their fumes?
"awsgc24"

That's all covered in the report.

The tunnel is intended to be 4km long, with a gradient of 1 in 30.

It was originally designed exclusively for electric operation, but they believe that modern diesel locos can be used successfully.  There is a suggestion that ventilation of the tunnel will be mostly natural flow due to the gradient in the tunnel, but that to help it clear more effectively, they would have a large door at the bottom (eastern) end, which would close behind west bound trains, preventing the train from drawing the exhaust up the tunnel.  Once the train clears the tunnel, the door would re-open to allow the air to flow east to clear the exhaust.

If they didn't have the door, the exhaust from the bottom of the tunnel would be drawn up towards the western end with the movement of the train, and would therefore take longer to clear out of the tunnel.  Apparently such doors have been used successfully in a number of other places.
  TE2815 Minister for Railways

Location: Mission control Minto or Thirlmere
Another damn study Evil or Very Mad

The damn thing was almost half built when Kermit the Frog stopped the ruddy thing Evil or Very MadExclamationEvil or Very Mad
  BDA Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
That's a long tunnel considering the gradient , wouldn't like to be in there if you lost an engine or one caught fire .
I remember being put through ages ago for those breathing apparatus gadgets they had for whichever Ulan line tunnel . Never went there in the end but the need for them made us stop and think .
Sounds like that old single line tunnel on the Illawarra only 1 in 30 rather than 1 in 40 .
  rjaygee Banned

Location: Banned
Kermit the Frog finally put the nail in the coffin but Barry Unsworth effectively stopped it to placate hios TWU truckie mates down Wollongong who where moaning about joblosses to rail.  Hey, and every one wants to vote in Fatty O'Barrel. You aint see nothing yet to match state Liberal incompetence. Bunch of bumbling half wits. Will make Rees look like a financial genius.

Cheers

Rod Gayford
  daniel741231 Train Controller

Location: Trying to figure out who else from work posts on here...
Not a bad read that report, along with the Central West Study. As a taxpayer, I'd rather see money thrown into these projects than the metro.
  BDA Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Politically I don't think we're going to have a win in NSW , the current mob it seems couldn't run a bath and the opposition doesn't seem to possess much brilliance either . Lose lose situation .
  Athol Chief Train Controller

Location: Within sight of the Newcastle St bridge over the Main North, Cardiff NSW
Politically I don't think we're going to have a win in NSW , the current mob it seems couldn't run a bath and the opposition doesn't seem to possess much brilliance either . Lose lose situation .
"BDA"

Well, I've had more success lobbying on road projects with the coalition (and directly with the RTA) than with the labor party, at both state and federal levels.  I expect to get the same with the state rail proposals that I intend to put forward over the next year or so.

Personally, I think that the only way to get the results that you want is to get out there and lobby for it.  The coalition are willing to listen (even when in power), the labor party aren't.  To me, that makes the coalition far more viable.  I've also met several NSW coalition MPs and MLCs and the IQ level is noticeably above the state labor members I've dealt with.  I went to high school with my local labor MP, Matthew Morris and the only class we had in common was roll call - I was in the top classes, he was somewhere towards the bottom.

Incidently, I believe that Hatch were the company building the Maldon to Dombarton line when it was cancelled.  It's interesting to see the name Hatch associated with the study into completing it.
  cascade39 Junior Train Controller

Maldon to Dombarton Rail Link Feasibility Study.................

Expected Start/Finish: January 2010 - July 2011 ..............

Funding
The Australian Government has provided $3 million for the feasibility study.

Timetable
This project commenced in January 2010 and is scheduled to be finalised by mid 2011.

Project Reference Group
A Project Reference Group (PRG) has been established to provide input from and engage with key stakeholders. The PRG membership consists of:

•Asciano Pty Ltd;
•Australian Industry Group;
•Illawarra Business Chamber;
•Regional Development Australia;
•South Coast Labour Council;
•Wollondilly Shire Council;
•Wollongong City Council;
•Federal Member for Throsby; and
•Federal Member for Cunningham.

http://www.nationbuildingprogram.gov.au/projects/ProjectDetails.aspx?Project_id=RAIL016

Any news on this one  Question ........  Rolling Eyes
  arctic Deputy Commissioner

Location: Zurich
According to the article below the study is complete and the government is "considering" it before releasing it:

http://www.illawarramercury.com.au/news/local/news/general/maldondombarton-study-with-anthony-albanese/2303088.aspx

Maldon-Dombarton study with Anthony Albanese
BY NICOLE HASHAM
26 Sep, 2011 05:00 AM
The Federal Government has received a highly anticipated report into the Maldon-Dombarton rail link but will not yet release the findings publicly.
The Mercury has learned that Infrastructure and Transport Minister Anthony Albanese is evaluating the $3 million, 18-month study which was due for release mid-year.

Two independent consultants conducted the report into the partially finished project, which was shelved by the Greiner government in 1988.

A previous study found that completing the 35km link from Wollongong to the main Southern Line at Maldon would expand commercial and employment opportunities at Port Kembla's port, create construction jobs and provide a freight alternative to roads.

But the potential $550 million price tag almost doubled previous estimates.

The feasibility report was expected to assess the existing infrastructure, engineering requirements and likely demand for the proposed line, as well as conduct detailed economic and financial modelling.

A spokeswoman for Mr Albanese said the study would be released when "properly considered".

She did not respond to questions over when the Government received the findings, what the consideration process entailed or when it would be released.

The Maldon-Dombarton line is high on the wish-list of major business groups including RDA Illawarra and the Illawarra Business Chamber.

South Coast Labour Council secretary Arthur Rorris previously called on Mr Albanese to intervene in the study, claiming that data available to the consultants was kept from the project's reference group, of which he was a member.

Last week he insisted the region did not need consultants to confirm the project's benefits, predicting the report would answer outstanding questions on technical, engineering and cost issues.

"What we need to do, with all due respect to the consultants, is work out the best way to fund it and the shortest period of time to get approval and get this happening," Mr Rorris said.

The Government has previously warned that the study could turn up engineering and environmental issues that could affect the project's viability.

RDA Illawarra chairman Eddy De Gabriele said should the line prove unviable in the short term, it need not mean the end of the project.

"The economic feasibility is one element of consideration … you can't build something and expect it to be self-sufficient from day one," he said.
  catchpoint Assistant Commissioner

Location: At the end of a loop
Ummm.... Isn't Nick Greiner currently the "NSW Infrastructure" jobs for the boys / gun for hire......am sure he will recall 1988?
  simonl Chief Commissioner

Location: Brisbane
So the idea of this one is to get the freight off the Illawarra line north of Dapto and allow more passenger services on that line?  1 in 30 grades seem pretty awful.  Do 25kV AC bank locomotives make sense for that?

I take it that Moss Vale-Unanderra is too much of a deviation for Bombaderry-Sydney freight.
  Aurora8 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Sydney
As someone who has no idea, is there a y-link at Moss Vale to allow straight running?
  42101 Banned

Location: Banned
As someone who has no idea, is there a y-link at Moss Vale to allow straight running?
"Aurora8"


Yes there is its a triangle junction.
  broy Train Controller

Location: I know
$$25.5million has just been add to this project. http://www.railpage.com.au/news-9721.htm


Broy
  johnboy Chief Commissioner

Location: Up the road from Gulgong
What will $25m buy? More fees for "designers" to pump out another report?
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Ummm.... Isn't Nick Greiner currently the "NSW Infrastructure" jobs for the boys / gun for hire......am sure he will recall 1988?
"catchpoint"


1988 was a different era. As new in charge Premier, the coffers were bare and a lack of revenue to even maintain that status quo. Proposed traffic for this line was also drying up and the overhead inclusion as it turns out would have been a complete waste of money.

Only issue with the cancelation was that it actually cost more to cancel and here is where they probably made those usual board room snap decisions that don't get questioned.

Its now a Fed issue, Cityrail is a different place and I'll put money on it happening.

Regards
Shane
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
What will $25m buy? More fees for "designers" to pump out another report?
"johnboy"


Engineering project wise you have
- Pre-Feasiability
- Feasibility
- FEED
- Detail Design

I suspect the first report was Pre-Feas and the $25.5 is to go the next step in Engineering and keep the team together. Not uncommon when you don't have a clear business case or must do. Sounding more positive.

Regards
Shane
  wurx Lithgovian Ambassador-at-Large

Location: The mystical lost principality of Daptovia
What will $25m buy? More fees for "designers" to pump out another report?
"johnboy"

....which is all that has been (repeatedly) happening thus far.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
What will $25m buy? More fees for "designers" to pump out another report?
"johnboy"

....which is all that has been (repeatedly) happening thus far.
"wurx"


I have a friend who was a senior engineer Manager for HATCH in another western country. After 5 years of working on this study and that (non-rail), only the very last project was actually built and that relocating and upgrading a closed plant to China. Think about that a $100k slary plus over heads, plus a small team under him sustained by studies that never go anywhere and this was the bulk of the work for that major city office.

Regards
Shane
  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: North of the border!
It gets this project to shovel ready state...

Like most RTA proposed projects  LaughingLaughingLaughing

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