Halal Certification Authority Australia logo ???????

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Stepto Assistant Commissioner

You have probably got the chain email and will soon have to make a conscious decision about buying Cadbury Dairy Milk Chocolate;

"The inclusion of the Halal Certification Authority symbol is not intended to offend any member of the public of any cultural or religious belief; and does not prevent other faiths from being able to purchase and consume our products."

"Yesterday I spoke with the Chairman of that organisation Hajj Mohamed El-Mouelhy.

Mr El-Mouelhy told me that he is the sole shareholder of the organisation Halal Certification Authority Australia. He said that the “Authority” is a proprietary limited company. He politely declined to speak about the financial details – how much money organisations pay to receive accreditation from his “Authority” and what he does with the money. He said that it’s his private business. "


http://www.4bc.com.au/blogs/michael-smith-blog/halal-certification/20090807-ece3.html

What is the real story?
 
billybaxter Assistant Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
It's obviously important to Moslems to know if the product is Hallal, and if they've got the market clout to have this done, then I can't see the problem. I imagine the marketing people at Cadbury did the calculations beorehand and decided the potential Moslem market to be won was bigger than the Conspiracy Theory Nutter market to be lost. It's market forces at work that's all. Are some sort of Communist or something?
 
Ballast_Plough Chief Commissioner

Location: Lilydale, Vic
The email has certainly been doing the rounds recently and is another instance of something standard being blown a little out of proportion. Cadbury, like many other countries in Australia, also exports a lot of product overseas and the Halal certification logo just shows that the company has been audited and it's manufacturing processes comply with requirements in countries where a significant proportion of the consumers want to know they are purchasing product that complies. Really not much different to the "Made In Australia" logo or Heart Foundation "tick" that you see on many other products. If a decision needs to be made on whether to buy Cadbury or not, it'll be worth checking many other brands across different food ranges - everyone is doing it!
 
Sir Thomas Bent Minister for Railways

Location: Banned
The real story, Stepto, is that this Mike Smith is a redneck twat. Does he even know what halal means - except in his narrow minded views "something what them towel-head terrorists eat?"

Muslims as part of their religious beliefs need to ensure that food is prepared in a manner that fits in with the tenets set down in their religious beliefs, involving it being certified as being done in the same principles as set out in the Qu'ran.  If someone wants to ensure that they praise Allah when knocking off a cow and draining it of blood, and not including gelatine in food, or keeping bacon separate, cool.  

It's no different to someone ensuring their food is kosher by having a Rabbi oversee the preparation.

It's also worth reading this post on hoax-slayer.com.

Also - the Wikipedia article on Islamic dietary laws and this article about halal foods.
 
Speed Minister for Railways

The Halal and Kosher certification logos occasionally attract controversy of the form "These worshippers of false idols are tampering with my favourite foods so that I can't eat them." or "Conspirators are making food companies go through hoops to achieve certifications and it's you the consumer who pays for it". Both controversies are no more than xenophobia.

The wording above purports to be a different controversy. It suggests that somebody is issuing logos describing food as halal when he does not have the authority or affilliation to do so.

This could pose an issue for a Muslim consumer, who thought erroneously that they were buying certified product. Food companies would also want, if they're paying someone for a certification, to be certain that the certification is recognised. It shouldn't pose an issue for anyone else.

Of course, it could just be another xenophobic conspiracy theory.
 
bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: On a freight train to crazy town
Another racist storm in a cocoa cup Rolling Eyes

3rd comment down

http://www.4bc.com.au/blogs/michael-smith-blog/halal-certification/20090807-ece3.html?page=1

Regarding the use of the Halal Certification Authority certification symbol on our products, Cadbury is proud to make products that can be enjoyed by people of every different race, colour and creed. We are also fiercely proud of being an Australian/New Zealand business whose products are locally manufactured and exported to markets throughout South East Asia.

Because Cadbury Australia & New Zealand Ltd exports a significant amount of its product to markets in South East Asia our export sales are an essential part of business, and crucial to preserving investment and employment at our manufacturing sites in Australia and New Zealand.

One of the main reasons we carry the Halal Certification Authority symbol on our packaging is to ensure that people of Muslim faith both here in Australia and across our export markets can identify our products as including ingredients that meet their consumption requirements.

The inclusion of the Halal Certification Authority symbol is not intended to offend any member of the public of any cultural or religious belief; and does not prevent other faiths from being able to purchase and consume our products.

Following a number of consumer inquiries Cadbury has written formally to the HCAA in order to seek clarification on its business activities. In response, we have received confirmation that HCAA is independently audited by chartered commercial auditors, the Australian Quarantine Inspection Service a federal Government agency.

The HCAA has also provided Cadbury with verbal and written assurances that it has never been engaged in supporting religious fanaticism of any kind. As such, Cadbury has total confidence in the HCAA as a reputable organisation and regards allegations to the contrary as false.

Cadbury was founded upon values of integrity and respect and takes a strong stance against any individual or campaign promoting racism bigotry and disrespect.
- A user
 
Ballast_Plough Chief Commissioner

Location: Lilydale, Vic
I'm led to believe that Mohamed El-Mouelhy also shot JFK. And that the first moon landing was filmed in his back yard...
 
heisdeadjim Chief Commissioner

In fact, most of the meat you eat today is probably already halal qualified. Maybe it just does not have a logo.

I remember as a schoolkid in Darwin, oh, twenty something years ago we had a school trip  Exclamation  to an abattoir. Back then, the initial kill of the animals (pork excepted of course) was done by a Moslem. All of it.

I specifically asked the owner why, and he said it was to cater for domestic Islamic consumption, and being Darwin, for export to Indonesia.

According to him, essentially, it was better economically for ALL the meat to be technically halal, so the only difference was whether the appropriate label got stuck on the package or not, depending on where it was going.
 
doridori Chief Commissioner

Will these organisations pander to groups that desire non halal/kosher foods ?

If not, why not ?
It is a form of discrimination.
 
Grantham Minister for Railways

Location: I'm with stupid!
Will these organisations pander to groups that desire non halal/kosher foods ?

If not, why not ?
It is a form of discrimination.
- doridori


They sure will, if you buy enough of it (all of it).  Rolling Eyes

But even then, it may still be and they just claim it isn't to amuse you.  Twisted Evil

But then, I'd like to see you eat more chocolate than both the local and export market to warrant not having a halal sticker on your junk food.

M
 
Ballast_Plough Chief Commissioner

Location: Lilydale, Vic
Doridori - your question reflects some of the misinformation surrounding this. At present there are 2 basic groups of customers:

(i) Those who have Halal requirements
(ii) Those who don't care.

If one manufacturing process satisfies both groups, then the logo can go on and everyone buys it. If it doesn't meet Halal requirements, the Moslems won't touch it but everyone else buys it anyway.

Can you describe the group of people that demand non Halal foods and how they are being discriminated against?


My best analogy to look at your situation is to imagine you're looking at schools for your kids. Some schools have no limit on foods whilst others state "nut free" etc and won't allow nuts / peanut butter on site. If you have a kid with an allergy you look for a nut free school - if your kid is allergy free, you don't really care where they go. Your example is suggesting that you're looking for a school which forces you to eat nuts and peanut butter - and because no such school exists, you're saying that you are being discriminated against.
 
bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: On a freight train to crazy town
Will these organisations pander to groups that desire non halal/kosher foods ?

If not, why not ?
It is a form of discrimination.
- doridori


Obviously companies that adopt the Heart Foundation tick are pandering to all those groups advocating healthy eating.

It is blatant affront to us 'fatties' and discriminates against all those people that wish to eat unhealthy food.
 
Grantham Minister for Railways

Location: I'm with stupid!
Will these organisations pander to groups that desire non halal/kosher foods ?

If not, why not ?
It is a form of discrimination.
- doridori


Obviously companies that adopt the Heart Foundation tick are pandering to all those groups advocating healthy eating.

It is blatant affront to us 'fatties' and discriminates against all those people that wish to eat unhealthy food.
- bingley hall


But... what if I want deliberately less hygenically prepared unhealthy food from companies that refuse to make it?

Don't tell me I could brew it at home!

Rolling Eyes M
 
Speed Minister for Railways

Grantham's last post reminds me of an old joke.

"Waiter, why does my steak have a shoeprint on it?"
"You told me to bring your steak and to step on it."
 
steveo2004 Chief Commissioner

Why don't they make a book listing all the foods that are Halal Certified just like AusBuy has or even the products they are sending over sea's place the stamp on them.

Just a thought
 
Ballast_Plough Chief Commissioner

Location: Lilydale, Vic
I suspect the listing would change on a daily basis which means a book could possibly be out of date just after being published. A good concept but might lend itself to a web based format instead perhaps - easier to keep current?
 
alstom_888m Chief Commissioner

Location: South Morang Railway Line, VIC
Well at least now I know when a food is Halal so I won't eat it by accident. Killing an animal by draining it's blood is cruel and horrible, the animal would be in pain for several minutes. A quick shot to the head is instant, and it's good enough for the rest of us 'infidel'.

I will not pander to the religious beliefs of others just because they'll blow us up if we don't. If muslims don't like our meat. They can become vegetarian or leave.
 
simont141 Chief Commissioner

Location: Adelaide
This reminds me of the Gruen Transfer episode when they registered a business name "9 out of 10 experts recommend" and subtly pointed out that it was available for endorsements ...
 
Stepto Assistant Commissioner

After having several seconds of deep thought on this subject, I have determined that this whole SHAM, could only contain one or more of the following ingredients;

Blatant opportunistic qualities of a Lebanese LIKE person (example only as they are prolific in Sydney's markets), migrant market stall holder that has taken advantage of a great opportunity to make money from Cadburys and other Too Politically Correctly Biased Corporations! (Why didn't I think of it first and change my name to Mohammad and do it myself?) Also I must add, not all Lebs are like this as I have  several Leb mates and they will understand what I mean if Your Politically Correct Highness doen't!

Someone working in Cadburys Head Office that it Islamic that has a cousin that owns Halal Certification Authority Australia! (could happen)

Something totally different!
 
billybaxter Assistant Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
Just buy Lindt chocolate instead and give your money to the Swiss Jewish Banking Cabal. Last I heard they had some 'world takeover conspiracy' deal going as well, just like those Cadbury Taliban loons down in Hobart that you're so worried about.
 
Simes_mk2 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Well at least now I know when a food is Halal so I won't eat it by accident. Killing an animal by draining it's blood is cruel and horrible, the animal would be in pain for several minutes. A quick shot to the head is instant, and it's good enough for the rest of us 'infidel'.

I will not pander to the religious beliefs of others just because they'll blow us up if we don't. If muslims don't like our meat. They can become vegetarian or leave.
- alstom_888m


Ummmm hang on, if there was anything cruel or horrible about how the beast meets it's end in a halal way or any other the RSPCA would be all over it like a glove, moreso PETA would be all over it like a hooker onto a misplaced cransky.

Seems some people here have no idea how many other certification/accreditation organisations there are in this country and how they'd probably be just as likely to tell some twat to feck off - or just send a PR person down to not answer any of the questions....

Remember there are those loons at standards australia and all the rest
 
David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: Inspector 71
Who really gives a rats as long as it is edible it all goes down the same, so what is really the big deal, if they change the ingredients or something then you can whinge, but if it just so that it can be sold overseas then really what is the problem!
 
JGS - Moderator Chief Commissioner

Location: Junee NSW
Well at least now I know when a food is Halal so I won't eat it by accident. Killing an animal by draining it's blood is cruel and horrible, the animal would be in pain for several minutes.
- alstom_888m


Yeah, I want to be sure that my chocolate didn't suffer as it was being killed...
 
wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria
Killing an animal by draining it's blood is cruel and horrible, the animal would be in pain for several minutes. A quick shot to the head is instant, and it's good enough for the rest of us 'infidel'.
- alstom_888m

Ummmm hang on, if there was anything cruel or horrible about how the beast meets it's end in a halal way or any other the RSPCA would be all over it like a glove, moreso PETA would be all over it like a hooker onto a misplaced cransky.
- Simes_mk2

I believe the blood draining is done after electrical stunning the animal - in the pastt month or so there was some controversy over groups that adhere to a "higher level" of halal and not being happy with the animal being stunned first.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/vff-concern-at-halal-killing/2007/08/05/1186252546308.html
http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/halal-meat-slaughter-obeys-law/2007/08/06/1186252630078.html
 
Sir Thomas Bent Minister for Railways

Location: Banned
After having several seconds of deep thought on this subject, I have determined that this whole SHAM, could only contain one or more of the following ingredients



- Stepto
I think you mistook 'deep thought' for 'redneck brainfart'.
 

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