Westall Rail Project

 
  jdekorte Deputy Commissioner

Location: Near Caulfield Station
I noticed on my Dandenong travel today that one of those Victorian Government signs has gone up at Westall Station announcing the start of the Westall Rail project.

This project will involve (basically):
- building a third track between Centre Road and Springvale Roads (2.7 kms)
- rebuilding Westall Station to three platforms with new facilities for passengers
- the building of 5 more stabling roads at the Westall Depot
- replacing pedestrian rail crossings on the up side of Westall and the down side of Westall with pedestrian overpasses.
- the building of a new car park on the north side of Westall station


Department of Transport Westall Upgrade Project

I will try and get a link to the area using the Nearmap website.

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  Sir Thomas Bent Minister for Railways

Location: Banned
Have heard rumours it'll go Premium.
  thekingoffoxes Chief Train Controller

http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-37.940468,145.144249&z=19&t=k

is this 1 in 4 sleeper replacement related?
  L1150 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Pakenham Vic.

LaughingLaughing Did the sign have any dates for completion? Signs are cheap! At Lakeside near Pakenham, there has been a sign for ages announcing the new station, but nothing has happened and from what I hear, won't happen for a very long time.
A big comedown from third rail all the way from Caulfield to Dandenong - still, I guess a passing track at Westall is better than nothing, if it ever gets built! Laughing
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-37.940468,145.144249&z=19&t=k

is this 1 in 4 sleeper replacement related?
"thekingoffoxes"


I love this new nearmap as I get the connection on our peering link and at 100Meg.  The page loads are almost instantaneous.

Also, I think we may have half a runaway!

http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-37.943076,145.145216&z=20&t=k

Regards
Brian
  jdekorte Deputy Commissioner

Location: Near Caulfield Station
LaughingLaughing Did the sign have any dates for completion? Signs are cheap! At Lakeside near Pakenham, there has been a sign for ages announcing the new station, but nothing has happened and from what I hear, won't happen for a very long time.
A big comedown from third rail all the way from Caulfield to Dandenong - still, I guess a passing track at Westall is better than nothing, if it ever gets built! Laughing
"L1150"

It was a bit hard to read the sign apart from the words "Westall Rail Upgrade Project" as I was passing on a train.  However, if you check the link I provided back to the Department of Transport page for the Westall project, it says that preliminary work will start late 2009 and it is scheduled for completion in 2011.

It may be a cop out from the proposed third track all the way from Caulfield to Dandenong but Westall is quite a strategic location in that it is in between these two station and the passing track will be quite long.  Also having three tracks at Westall will enable short starter trains that currently run from Oakleigh to commence their journeys from Westall.

As for Westall becoming premium, it might, but it is hardly a high traffic station like Springvale or Clayton which are both premium.
  Sir Thomas Bent Minister for Railways

Location: Banned
As for Westall becoming premium, it might, but it is hardly a high traffic station like Springvale or Clayton which are both premium.
"jdekorte"
Traffic does not equate to a station becoming Premium.  Cases in point: Moonee Ponds, Balaclava, Prahran, Windsor vs places like Brighton Beach, Gowrie and Upfield...
  SteamtoStay Chief Commissioner

Location: Building floorplates
As for Westall becoming premium, it might, but it is hardly a high traffic station like Springvale or Clayton which are both premium.
"jdekorte"
Traffic does not equate to a station becoming Premium.  Cases in point: Moonee Ponds, Balaclava, Prahran, Windsor vs places like Brighton Beach, Gowrie and Upfield...
"Sir Thomas Bent"

My favourite example would have to be Williamstown Razz
  locomotive Junior Train Controller

How many trains !!! can one overtake on such a short section of track, assuming the following train is around half a Kilometer behind on a 100 kph section
What a cop out for the full project that was announced
  John_Proctor Train Controller

the full project was abandoned because they realised the $1 billion rail project would also need $1 billion in road projects (grade separations) to actually work...

the dandenong third track (hopefully quadruplication) is listed as 'stage 3' in the metro tunnel project in the VTP so its still in the pipeline.
  Revenue Chief Commissioner

It's not for overtaking - the primary purpose is to allow for short starters. Essentially, some trains run express from Westall, and a train commences at Westall stopping all stations immediately behind it.
  tomohawk Chief Commissioner

Location: Getting The Met to get around
It's not for overtaking - the primary purpose is to allow for short starters. Essentially, some trains run express from Westall, and a train commences at Westall stopping all stations immediately behind it.
"Revenue"


So, V/Line trains will still be stuck behind electric trains without passing at Westall. Presumably Westall short-starters will mean fewer trains to Pakenham and Cranbourne, as the line is already near capacity further up from Westall, so the short starters would be replacing services that would be otherwise heading to the end of the line....

Sounds fantastic.
  Speed Minister for Railways

That sounds like an inevitable "trade-off" of tiered services.

Trains to and from Dandenong will be less crowded and may reach the city sooner. However, the number available won't increase. Still, short-starting at Westall means a larger catchment and more express-running (in turn, less delay of V-Line services behind all stations ones) than doing so at Oakleigh.
  Sir Thomas Bent Minister for Railways

Location: Banned
It's not for overtaking - the primary purpose is to allow for short starters. Essentially, some trains run express from Westall, and a train commences at Westall stopping all stations immediately behind it.
"Revenue"


So, V/Line trains will still be stuck behind electric trains without passing at Westall. Presumably Westall short-starters will mean fewer trains to Pakenham and Cranbourne, as the line is already near capacity further up from Westall, so the short starters would be replacing services that would be otherwise heading to the end of the line....

Sounds fantastic.
"tomohawk"
Actually - given that Oakleigh had a passing lane on the Down side and still has the ability to terminate, are they just p**ssing money against a wall here?
  tranzitjim Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
I think the main reason for why they are doing turnback facilities at Westal are more due to the nearby Westal maintenance facility, of which can double as an overnight stabling yard.

I guess that, in the peak, some outgoing trains will terminate at Westal, due to the yards being there, and after terminating there, can enter the yard and stable there over night.

Naturally you need that spot for the reverse in the morning. You will need to take an opportunity of when the outbound Down track is free, to enable a new train to exit from the yards, then once they have crossed over the Down track, they need somewhere to wait, until the Up track is clear for them to enter and make use of.

In both cases, you would need that third track and platform to be located right next to the Westal stabling yards.

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It provides some flexibility in where you can turn back a train. Before you only had a choice of Oakliegh or Dandenong, with a huge gap in the middle. Now you have the choice of doing them at Westal as well.
  fullofrubbish Assistant Commissioner

Location: Brunswick
It provides some flexibility in where you can turn back a train. Before you only had a choice of Oakliegh or Dandenong, with a huge gap in the middle. Now you have the choice of doing them at Westal as well.
"tranzitjim"


Think you're forgetting about Springvale, tranzitjim.
  712M Chief Commissioner

It provides some flexibility in where you can turn back a train. Before you only had a choice of Oakliegh or Dandenong, with a huge gap in the middle. Now you have the choice of doing them at Westal as well.
"tranzitjim"


Think you're forgetting about Springvale, tranzitjim.
"fullofrubbish"


Springvale only has a crossover on the down side and access to Westall Maintenance Centre from platform 2. Outbound trains terminating at Springvale can only return to the city via the sidings, then cross over the down tracks again to get onto the up track, so it is not ideal.
  tomohawk Chief Commissioner

Location: Getting The Met to get around
*Something or other misinformed about Westall*
"tranzitjim"


Actually there is already stabling at Westall, it is being increased. Trains can already terminate at Westall, you just the siding road. Not ideal, and not really useful for short start services, but it's fine for use when the line is blocked.

The new Westall project is a good move, but certainly won't be nearly as useful as the track amplification that was previously the plan.
  712M Chief Commissioner

Temporary fencing has been put up around some tracks in Westall Maintenance Centre.
  jdekorte Deputy Commissioner

Location: Near Caulfield Station
I also noticed in my travels through Westall the other day that worker huts are being set up in an old truck stop on the north side of the tracks near Westall station.  Survey pegs are also up at various points up and down the line and around the station.
  Sir Thomas Bent Minister for Railways

Location: Banned
Work is scheduled to start early 2010 - plans have been drawn up of the new station (and overbridge...)
  712M Chief Commissioner

Noticed a stanchion or two and a few Comeng pantos lying around in the yard today at Westall.
  tomohawk Chief Commissioner

Location: Getting The Met to get around
Noticed a stanchion or two and a few Comeng pantos lying around in the yard today at Westall.
"712M"


That's quite normal, Westall is a maintenance depot.
  jdekorte Deputy Commissioner

Location: Near Caulfield Station
Taken from the Metlink website:
Due to improvement works at Westall, buses will replace train services between Oakleigh and Springvale on Saturday 30 January and Sunday, 31 January 2010.

Journey times may be extended by up to 28 minutes.

Anyone know what is scheduled for this weekend?
  thekingoffoxes Chief Train Controller

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