Metro service defect means Ballan to Melbourne in 46 minutes

 
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
The 7:03 up Watergardens service was delayed (broken down Question )at Sunshine, Platform 1 this morning.
At 7.07 the 6:33 ex Ballan (1' late) up Ballarat arrived at Sunshine, Platform 3.
The up Ballarat waited at Platform 3, and as usual it was expected the up Watergardens would get the right of way, however we ran through that service and due to there being no trains whatsoever in front of the up Ballarat, it made Sunshine to Southern Cross, with a stop at North Melbourne in 12 minutes Exclamation

The 80 Km journey from Ballan to Melbourne including the three minute wait at Sunshine whilst METROL decided if we would run through the up Watergardens took 46 minutes.

Clearly once the RRL is completed and without the encumbrance of Metro trains, there will be significant time savings for V/Line express trains between Sunshine and Southern Cross.

Mike.

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  fast01 BUTTSCRATCHER!

Location: Somewhere your not.
Well, I don't know what you are crapping on about, because that run is timetabled from Ballan to Southern Cross in 54 minutes, and from what I can tell, your trip was 58 minutes..

That's on time if you go byu the 5:59 ruling.
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

Well, I don't know what you are crapping on about, because that run is timetabled from Ballan to Southern Cross in 54 minutes, and from what I can tell, your trip was 58 minutes..

That's on time if you go byu the 5:59 ruling.
"fast01"

My reading of Vinelander's post is this:
Ballan dep 6:34
Sunshine  7:07-7:10
Southern Cross 7:22
for a total time of 48 minutes. If the Sunshine stop was cut down to just 1, then it becomes the 46 he mentioned.
  route14 Chief Commissioner

Well, your train didn't have to give way to the scheduled metro train due to its breakdown, but you can't expect it everyday.
  412M Assistant Commissioner

That's on time if you go byu the 5:59 ruling.

Metro will make that 4:59, prior to christmas.
  fast01 BUTTSCRATCHER!

Location: Somewhere your not.
That's on time if you go byu the 5:59 ruling.

Metro will make that 4:59, prior to christmas.
"412M"
Not when that ruling is a V/Line ruling..
  tom9876543 Train Controller

Vline should have an EXCLUSIVE track for their use only between Sunshine and Southern Cross.

The sparks can go in the new cross city tunnel.

This should allow the Ballarat train to arrive at Melbourne in under 60 minutes.
  DalyWaters Chief Commissioner

The immediate assumption for a Metro train stopped in the platform is broken down is it?

More often it would be an ill passenger causing delay.

Declaring broken down on an assumption is poor form.
  4001firstdiesel Chief Commissioner

Location: GONE!!!! TIRED OF THE ABUSE AND PERSONAL ATTACKS
Clearly once the RRL is completed and without the encumbrance of Metro trains, there will be significant time savings for V/Line express trains between Sunshine and Southern Cross.

Mike.[/color]
"The Vinelander"


For someone who lives north of the border, could you please explain what RRL means Question.

Regards,
Ben
  vlocity160 V/Gunzel

For someone who lives north of the border, could you please explain what RRL means Question.
"4001firstdiesel"
RRL is an abbreviation for Regional Rail Link, which is a Brumby Government Victorian Transport Plan project, which will create dedicated lines into Southern Cross Station for; Geelong, Bendigo and Ballarat line trains (And all the others from these regions).
  alstom_888m Chief Commissioner

Location:
Vline should have an EXCLUSIVE track for their use only between Sunshine and Southern Cross.

The sparks can go in the new cross city tunnel.

This should allow the Ballarat train to arrive at Melbourne in under 60 minutes.
"tom9876543"


RRL will supply exactly that. Geelong, Ballarat (Bacchus Marsh/Melton) , and Bendigo (Kyneton) services will travel on a unelectrified(?) double track intended for use by V/Line services between Sunshine and somewhere in the vicinity of South Kensington. This will increase reliability within the Metro area.

Sparks will use the old tracks and later, Sunbury services will use that new cross-city tunnel if it's built.
  RATLSNAKE Chief Train Controller

And meanwhile it's been confirmed by Kosky, when pressed, that of all lines Geelong trains will take longer to arrive via this out-of-the-way method.

However Kosky then tries to justify the disadvantage by saying that it will appear quicker because they will no longer be stuck behind electric trains.
  ParkesHub Chief Commissioner

And meanwhile it's been confirmed by Kosky, when pressed, that of all lines Geelong trains will take longer to arrive via this out-of-the-way method.

However Kosky then tries to justify the disadvantage by saying that it will appear quicker because they will no longer be stuck behind electric trains.
"RATLSNAKE"


Typical of her. Where did you read this?
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
And meanwhile it's been confirmed by Kosky, when pressed, that of all lines Geelong trains will take longer to arrive via this out-of-the-way method.

However Kosky then tries to justify the disadvantage by saying that it will appear quicker because they will no longer be stuck behind electric trains.
"RATLSNAKE"


Typical of her. Where did you read this?
"ParkesHub"


I think a link to a source would be appropriate for this remark.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
The immediate assumption for a Metro train stopped in the platform is broken down is it?

More often it would be an ill passenger causing delay.

Declaring broken down on an assumption is poor form.
"DalyWaters"


As an almost exclusively V/Line traveller, the reason the spark on this occasion remained at Platform 1 at Sunshine whilst the up Ballarat ran through it is really a moot point.

BTW, I did question in my original post whether the spark had broken down.

Mike.
  RATLSNAKE Chief Train Controller

And meanwhile it's been confirmed by Kosky, when pressed, that of all lines Geelong trains will take longer to arrive via this out-of-the-way method.

However Kosky then tries to justify the disadvantage by saying that it will appear quicker because they will no longer be stuck behind electric trains.
"RATLSNAKE"


Typical of her. Where did you read this?
"ParkesHub"


It was in an article from The Age at the time of the announcement, when it was having holes picked into it by all.  I'm sure there's gotta be a copy of it in one of the threads, the RRL specifically, but maybe was thrown out there in another semi-related thread. Going to have to search for it.
  RATLSNAKE Chief Train Controller

And meanwhile it's been confirmed by Kosky, when pressed, that of all lines Geelong trains will take longer to arrive via this out-of-the-way method.

However Kosky then tries to justify the disadvantage by saying that it will appear quicker because they will no longer be stuck behind electric trains.
"RATLSNAKE"


Typical of her. Where did you read this?
"ParkesHub"


I think a link to a source would be appropriate for this remark.
"The Vinelander"



Here's what you wanted (found it quicker than I thought):

http://www.theage.com.au/national/goahead-for-urban-expansion-20090617-chvp.html

The line will ultimately carry Geelong trains to Melbourne along a 14-kilometre diversion via Sunshine, instead of the existing more direct route. Public Transport Minister Lynne Kosky conceded the change would add "a few seconds" to Geelong train trips, but said it would "improve reliability incredibly".
Opposition transport spokesman Terry Mulder said the extra time would blow out. "She must explain how many minutes more the weekday daily fast train between Geelong and Southern Cross will take," he said.


This article was then discussed here:

http://www.railpage.com.au/f-p1257103.htm#1257103
  Calgully Deputy Commissioner

Location:

However Kosky then tries to justify the disadvantage by saying that it will appear quicker because they will no longer be stuck behind electric trains.
"RATLSNAKE"


I don't think she did say that.  The only thing I could find attributed to her in the link you gave was this:  

Transport Minister Lynne Kosky conceded the change would add "a few seconds" to Geelong train trips, but said it would "improve reliability incredibly".
"theage.com.au"

  RATLSNAKE Chief Train Controller

Um, what you've quoted supports the statement I made, perhaps not literal word for word, but the gist of it is there.  She is saying it will take longer, and reliability will be better.

If you refer to the Railpage link you'll find others had the same interpretation.  How do you interpret what she said there?  That Geelong people will get their faster?
  Calgully Deputy Commissioner

Location:
What you are saying now is different to what you said before.  
She is saying that reliability will be better even though it will take longer, but that's not what you accused her of saying.

I haven't seen anwhere where she said that the journey will appear quicker.


Um, what you've quoted supports the statement I made, perhaps not literal word for word, but the gist of it is there.  She is saying it will take longer, and reliability will be better.

If you refer to the Railpage Australia™ link you'll find others had the same interpretation.  How do you interpret what she said there?  That Geelong people will get their faster?
"RATLSNAKE"
  RATLSNAKE Chief Train Controller

Her argument at the time was that currently many services arrive later than scheduled due to congestion with Metro services, and so this is supposed to alleviate that, hence make it appear to the regular commuter that the journey is quicker, where in reality at best all it would do is try to get services closer to arriving on time again.  Don't forget that the last few V/Line timetable updates have gone and changed their arrive times so that their targets are still met.  I think wongm or vlinecars discovered this.

I'm not going to go searching for articles to prove anything.  If you want to find these instances by all means, Google is at your service.  But I remember what I read and heard in the news around that time.
  fullofrubbish Assistant Commissioner

Location: Brunswick
...Don't forget that the last few V/Line timetable updates have gone and changed their arrive times so that their targets are still met...
"RATLSNAKE"


Morning up Shep has gone from 0710 to 0657 with the same stopping pattern and arrival time in Southern Cross over the past 2 years Twisted Evil
  tomohawk Chief Commissioner

Location: Getting The Met to get around
I would take a journey time of a couple of minutes longer if it meant that my service always arrived at the same time.
  michinyon Chief Commissioner

However Kosky then tries to justify the disadvantage by saying that it will appear quicker because they will no longer be stuck behind electric trains.


Well they will be quicker.   They will travel faster but arrive later because the route is longer.
  Michaelje Chief Commissioner

...Don't forget that the last few V/Line timetable updates have gone and changed their arrive times so that their targets are still met...
"RATLSNAKE"


Morning up Shep has gone from 0710 to 0657 with the same stopping pattern and arrival time in Southern Cross over the past 2 years Twisted Evil
"fullofrubbish"


Which is exactly what the timetables should reflect. Timetables should be accurate

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