GCRT critisised

 
  schiltec Beginner

An analysis critical of the Gold Coast Rapid Transit (GCRT) project has been compiled and published.

It is partitioned into independent 'chapters'. Multiple 'area-of-interest' search facilities are provided.

The analysis' main points are that station-to-station distance is too high and that overhead wires are infringing into the tourist atmosphere of Gold Coast. Other point maintain that traditional constant capacity trams deliver insufficient user-friendliness to create popular support and that sustained high patronage and economic viability would be doubtful. It argues that 24km/h point-to-point speed cannot really be called 'Rapid' and concludes that an advanced dynamic capacity system would help the case much better.

The Gold Coast Rapid Transit Project
A call for something better
http://goldcoastrapidtrans.wordpress.com

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  l_Blue_l Locomotive Driver

An analysis critical of the Gold Coast Rapid Transit (GCRT) project has been compiled and published.

It is partitioned into independent 'chapters'. Multiple 'area-of-interest' search facilities are provided.

The analysis' main points are that station-to-station distance is too high and that overhead wires are infringing into the tourist atmosphere of Gold Coast. Other point maintain that traditional constant capacity trams deliver insufficient user-friendliness to create popular support and that sustained high patronage and economic viability would be doubtful. It argues that 24km/h point-to-point speed cannot really be called 'Rapid' and concludes that an advanced dynamic capacity system would help the case much better.

The Gold Coast Rapid Transit Project
A call for something better
http://goldcoastrapidtrans.wordpress.com
"schiltec"



I believe this is yet another spam post by the promoter of WaveRail which has nothing crediable to support there claims of the WaveRail technology.  Until there is don't believe a single word that is said.

Note:  I have nothing against the WaveRail idea but the way the business has been conducting them selfs is very unprofessional.

Edit:  On the website post show up instantly they don't have to be approved before the public can see your comments (Not that anyone would be going to the website anyway).
  scrat Assistant Commissioner

Location: Fitzroy North
l_Blue_l, I reckon you'd be right considering it was posted by a user named schiltec and the Waverail website has "© SCHILTEC 2009" written down the bottom.
schiltec if you have an alternative or an agenda that's fine, but you should just come out and say it rather that weaselling it in through "An analysis critical of the Gold Coast Rapid Transit", was this publication always going to say that the GCRT is inferior to Waverail? If so, is this truly critical or just propaganda?

Liam.
  tonyp Chief Commissioner

Location: Shoalhaven
The web stuff I've seen on Waverail is so poorly presented I have no idea what it's about. If a promoter of a concept can't communicate it clearly to an audience then the concept itself clearly fails at square one. If the promoter also has to dishonestly stoop to beat-ups such as this thread then the whole thing becomes positively suss.

Sorry schiltec you've comprehensively shot yourself in the foot. If you have an idea, go back to school and learn the basics of clear communication and then present it clearly on your website (or publish and get industry peer comment). Until then don't waste people's time thanks.
  The Met Chief Commissioner

Location: 37.55-S /145.01-E
To digress, faintly similar to the transit system incorporated into Heathrow's Terminal 5 (the new one).

Though, it doesn't couple, and is moreso completely automated.
  tonyp Chief Commissioner

Location: Shoalhaven
Thanks The Met, that helps. You should get a job writing the Waverail website!  Rolling Eyes
  SM247 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Cavill Avenue Station
This mass of poorly coordinated jumbled nonsense nearly gave me a brain haemorrhage.

Hopelessly, horribly, pointlessly deluded.  Utterly fails to identify any existing system where this painfully complicated technology is used, or even a functional alternative power source than OHW.  He should familarise himself with basic principles of PT network design and land use as a bare minimum before stumping up this crackpot maglev-bus type palaver as some sort of viable alternative to a well-designed, widely used, off-the-shelf technology like standard gauge light rail.

The 'author' also needs to visit an Oxford or Macquarie to have a closer look at the words 'analysis' (and, for that matter, 'fact').
  Calgully Deputy Commissioner

Location:
The web stuff I've seen on Waverail is so poorly presented I have no idea what it's about. If a promoter of a concept can't communicate it clearly to an audience then the concept itself clearly fails at square one.
"tonyp"


Agree.  It is clearly a hobbyhorse backyard / garage website.  I have no problem with that.  Its all good fun for gunzels to dream, and to play with websites.  

I dont know whether or not its a joke.  If it is a joke then I dont think its particularly funny, and would request this sort of thing be kept for April Fools day - and if its not a joke, then that's a little bit sad.
  tomohawk Chief Commissioner

Location: Getting The Met to get around
Waverail is a farce. I love how it's suggested that the less mobile users can just remain in the one carriage, and when it stops, just wait for the next "wave". If they were going for a long trip, with say a 6 minute frequency, and a 6 carriage "wavetrain" (which I suspect wouldn't happen), and lets say they are travelling 24 stops, that means they would get caught having to wait for the next 'wave" 3 times. This would then increase their journey length by 18 minutes! What if they wanted to travel 25 stops? then they would have to traverse the full 6 carriages to be able to get off at the 25th stop, or perhaps it is suggested that these people only travel in stop multiples of the length of the "train"  Rolling Eyes

Likewise the "dynamic stopping" or whatever it is. Where the number of carriages that stop are variable. I would be mighty pissed off as a commuter if my carriage stopped without warning if i wanted the stop after it. Then i'd be facing a delay of AT LEAST the service frequency, and then have to get through the whole train in one stop, which the designer says probably isn't possible.

I can't believe I wasted 3 minutes of my life discussing a crackpot idea anyway....
  spottyrahr Chief Commissioner

Waverail is a joke. It looks like a railpagers attempt at somehow taking over transport needs for Australia. Half the information contradicts itself. The other doesn't even make sense.

Though I do love they list "Villian-free" on their website. So I supposing batman will be setting up base on your.. erm.. trams? train? what is it?
  paulzmay Station Staff

To digress, faintly similar to the transit system incorporated into Heathrow's Terminal 5 (the new one).

Though, it doesn't couple, and is moreso completely automated.
"The Met"


That comparison would be being a bit too kind to waverail though...  Rolling Eyes

This really is the furthest out of the wacky PT concepts I've seen proposed.  How are they going to pay for all of those extra drivers?  Reduced journey time is best obtained by better junction priority, grade segregation and acceleration.  If you're going to pay all those drivers to drive separate vehicles you may as well triple the service frequency...

Paul
  SM247 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Cavill Avenue Station
This really is the furthest out of the wacky PT concepts I've seen proposed.
"paulzmay"


There is another GCRT alternative proposal some guy tied to the LNP has been floating known as Monocab VRT (Patent Pending) (http://www.monocab.com), which is basically as follows:

- Fake all your operating and capital costs by pulling them out of your backside to sucker people into investing in you
- String up monorail infrastructure everyhere
- Requisition about 5,000 used Holdens, butcher the drive lines and stick the running gear into people pods to go on the monorails
- Run these 5,000 separate vehicles all over the system at between 100kph and 200kph using a sooper-dooper konpyuta that stops them from colliding
- Profit
  Calgully Deputy Commissioner

Location:
Then of course there's also a counter proposal for another new concept.  As I understand it it is a new type of light rail rapid transit in which the LRVs are very low capacity (typically 5 passengers), and run on semi - flexible trackways that dont require rails.  Furthermore, the LRVs are controlled by the passengers themselves, one of whom can direct the vehicle when and where to stop and where and can even govern the speed within defined parameters.  Not only that, the LRVs can venture away from the track and even onto private property enabling a door to door service.  This system apparently doesn't require overhead wires and propulsion is derived from an apparenly plentiful liquified fuel.

I am told that the advocates feel there is quite a future for this new type of rapid transit, and they feel that if the Gold Coast adopted this new system it could be world leading.
  l_Blue_l Locomotive Driver

Then of course there's also a counter proposal for another new concept.  As I understand it it is a new type of light rail rapid transit in which the LRVs are very low capacity (typically 5 passengers), and run on semi - flexible trackways that dont require rails.  Furthermore, the LRVs are controlled by the passengers themselves, one of whom can direct the vehicle when and where to stop and where and can even govern the speed within defined parameters.  Not only that, the LRVs can venture away from the track and even onto private property enabling a door to door service.  This system apparently doesn't require overhead wires and propulsion is derived from an apparenly plentiful liquified fuel.

I am told that the advocates feel there is quite a future for this new type of rapid transit, and they feel that if the Gold Coast adopted this new system it could be world leading.
"Calgully"


I hope that is a joke because if it isn't someone need to learn what a car is.   Smile
  l_Blue_l Locomotive Driver

This really is the furthest out of the wacky PT concepts I've seen proposed.
"paulzmay"


There is another GCRT alternative proposal some guy tied to the LNP has been floating known as Monocab VRT (Patent Pending) (http://www.monocab.com), which is basically as follows:

- Fake all your operating and capital costs by pulling them out of your backside to sucker people into investing in you
- String up monorail infrastructure everyhere
- Requisition about 5,000 used Holdens, butcher the drive lines and stick the running gear into people pods to go on the monorails
- Run these 5,000 separate vehicles all over the system at between 100kph and 200kph using a sooper-dooper konpyuta that stops them from colliding
- Profit
"SM247"


So your telling me the news article the Gold Coast bulletin published about this so call Monocab isn't even worth the paper it is written on.   Great job Gold Coast Bulletin can't get your standards up too high now can you.
  LamontCranston Chief Commissioner

This really is the furthest out of the wacky PT concepts I've seen proposed.
"paulzmay"


There is another GCRT alternative proposal some guy tied to the LNP has been floating known as Monocab VRT (Patent Pending) (http://www.monocab.com), which is basically as follows:

- Fake all your operating and capital costs by pulling them out of your backside to sucker people into investing in you
- String up monorail infrastructure everyhere
- Requisition about 5,000 used Holdens, butcher the drive lines and stick the running gear into people pods to go on the monorails
- Run these 5,000 separate vehicles all over the system at between 100kph and 200kph using a sooper-dooper konpyuta that stops them from colliding
- Profit
"SM247"


Appears to be Personal Rapid Transit, which has been proposed for decades by Randroids.
What you get when people who loath society or social involvement get into public transport planning and try to apply to it their creepy idolization of roads and cars.
  SM247 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Cavill Avenue Station

Appears to be Personal Rapid Transit, which has been proposed for decades by Randroids.
What you get when people who loath society or social involvement get into public transport planning and try to apply to it their creepy idolization of roads and cars.
"LamontCranston"


Basically yes, except tweaked to make it sound ridiculously faster than all its competitors and cheaper to construct and operate.

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