Gwiwer Rt Hon Gentleman and Ghost of Oliver Bulleid

Location: Loitering in darkest Somewhere
I believe the topic was originally in "Melbourne Suburban" and there still seems to be the occasional post lacking the information that it is a Victoria-wide system.  Except where it isn't.  Many regional towns and cities will not be included.  

Revenue has already explained his version of why that is the case.  Broadly it appears from that side of the coin that the costs and benefits do not meet.

From the perspective of "One system for Victoria" that is laughable because so many places will not gain the benefits.  It will be however possible to use Myki in three other States / Territories.

Go figure.

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  RATLSNAKE Chief Train Controller

Despite the regional exclusions it is the first ticketing system to cover Trains (both V/Line and Metro), trams, and buses.

Thereby clearly a Victorian discussion, not just Melbourne suburban, despite the many regional exclusions.
  Mitty Assistant Commissioner

Location: Hawthorn
At lunch time I went for a quick walk and did a brief survey of ten random trams on Bourke, Elizabeth and Swanston.  Didn't get on, but I could see from outside that all of them had Myki readers active (eg it said "touch your card here").  All different classes.  Maybe I was just lucky to pick the right ten to look at?
  Gwiwer Rt Hon Gentleman and Ghost of Oliver Bulleid

Location: Loitering in darkest Somewhere
The readers are active for the purposes of testing the system and for use by the 1000 testers authorised to  do so.
  Mitty Assistant Commissioner

Location: Hawthorn
^yep I know that.  I guess my point is that hopefully if they are all switched on and operational then maybe they'll let the rest of us use it properly sooner rather than later.
  GORT-KLAATU Train Controller

Random, but i've heard that apparently Myki is still not yet quite 'perfected' as they say for use on Melbourne Trams and Buses. Does this mean that perhaps Metcard could still be used after the six months that the transition to myki is due to be complete (if likely)  Question

To be honest, i like using Metcard. In a sense its easier just to put the card in the machine like a credit card and be able to take so many trips on a cheap two hour or daily card at one price, rather than additional fees using a myki card for all these trips etc.
  Mitty Assistant Commissioner

Location: Hawthorn
^Um, a zone 1 daily on metcard is $6.80.  on Myki it's only $5.88.  A Zone 1 2 hour is 3.70 on Metcard, only $2.94 on Myki.  

Still wanna use your metcard?
  GORT-KLAATU Train Controller

^Um, a zone 1 daily on metcard is $6.80.  on Myki it's only $5.88.  A Zone 1 2 hour is 3.70 on Metcard, only $2.94 on Myki.  

Still wanna use your metcard?
"Mitty"


I assume these prices include short term myki cards as well i would imagine?
  gobillino Junior Train Controller

Location: Melbourne
short term myki's will be the same as short term metcards - at least initially.
  jessej100 Station Staff

Random, but i've heard that apparently Myki is still not yet quite 'perfected' as they say for use on Melbourne Trams and Buses. Does this mean that perhaps Metcard could still be used after the six months that the transition to myki is due to be complete (if likely)  Question
"GORT-KLAATU"
 

Metcard will still be operational for at least another year, as they have to account for the person who bought a yearly Metcard the day before myki was rolled out and refuses to transfer it over. But in all likelihood it will probably be more like 18 months, and it would not surprise me if it got an extension.

Another small piece of inside info from my mate that worked at Kamco, which may not be a surprise to anybody, is that they will introduce a short trip style ticket that will be paper based at some point. Whether it has a magnetic strip like a Metcard or is just a piece of paper I'm not sure. But most smartcard systems around the world have this kind of thing, as they can't expect visitors to Australia to get themselves a myki for what may be just 1 or 2 trips.
  RATLSNAKE Chief Train Controller


Another small piece of inside info from my mate that worked at Kamco, which may not be a surprise to anybody, is that they will introduce a short trip style ticket that will be paper based at some point. Whether it has a magnetic strip like a Metcard or is just a piece of paper I'm not sure. But most smartcard systems around the world have this kind of thing, as they can't expect visitors to Australia to get themselves a myki for what may be just 1 or 2 trips.
"jessej100"


Um these exist already, called short term tickets. Smile

[bigimg]http://www.robx1.net/victkt/myki/jpg/z09_0031.jpg[/bigimg]

Looks like this when you tear it open:
[bigimg]http://www.robx1.net/victkt/myki/jpg/z09_0033.jpg[/bigimg]

Images courtesy of: http://www.robx1.net/victkt/myki/html/glg.htm

Geelong bus commuters have been using these since myki was introduced there.  I've seen a few discarded inside bars and nighclubs.
  gobillino Junior Train Controller

Location: Melbourne
It won't surprise anyone because they've already announced details of it! short term tickets will be available from the outset - i think just 2 hr and daily, but may be wrong on that.

I understood that the intention was very definitely to phase metcard out by midyear, as that's when the current contract expires. That timeframe may, however, have been on the basis of myki going live by the end of last year. If there is a continuing delay on buses/trams, then they'll have to extend that, as a good proportion of the travelling public won't have used myki until its available across all modes.
  jessej100 Station Staff

Oh wow I had no idea those short term tickets already existed!! It's so clearly mentioned on the beautiful myki website Smile  I guess not available to the general public yet...
  jessej100 Station Staff

Oh wow I had no idea those short term tickets already existed!! It's so clearly mentioned on the beautiful myki website Smile  I guess not available to the general public yet...
"jessej100"


Or maybe they are, I should learn to use Google...

http://www.myki.com.au/About-myki/Short-term-tickets/Short-term-tickets/default.aspx
  Mitty Assistant Commissioner

Location: Hawthorn
Surely they won't let one hold out (I'll be damned if I'm giving up my yearly metcard!) stop them end-dating metcard.  If they give someone the alternative of a myki to switch over to, honestly why wouldn't you once it's available on all modes?  

Though at the rate of take up, I'd bet it'll be more than six months before metcard is gone completely, or at least inoperative.
  gobillino Junior Train Controller

Location: Melbourne
It's so clearly mentioned on the beautiful myki website Smile  
"jessej100"


Not to go out of my way to defend the website (it's a shamozzle atm) but they can't be criticised for that. Details on short term tickets are available via the first tab "about myki" - http://www.myki.com.au/About-myki/Short-term-tickets/default.aspx
  cookie930 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Spencer Street Station (Not SCS)
Metcard will still be operational for at least another year, as they have to account for the person who bought a yearly Metcard the day before myki was rolled out and refuses to transfer it over. But in all likelihood it will probably be more like 18 months, and it would not surprise me if it got an extension.
"jessej100"


That is a load of rubbish. The contract for the metcard system is for 6 months after the initial rollout of myki. Once the system is shut down there will be a period where remaining metcard users can change their metcards for an equivalent myki. If they refuse to do this they will lose any remaining trips or time remaining. This is what happened when scratchies and punch tickets were finally phased out in early 2002 and Revenue has already stated this is what will happen in mid to late 2010.
  jessej100 Station Staff

This is true, there will need to be an exchange program at some point, but I honestly can't see everyone using mykis in July this year. Unless there is some monumental change in the speed at which things get done, I just don't see it happening, contract or no contract....  If you'll remember there was a contract to have this thing finished 2 and a half years ago as well that may have been extended just a little Smile

Can't wait to see the queues at that one myki machine at Southern Cross in a few weeks when 10,000 people have mykis!
  GORT-KLAATU Train Controller

This is true, there will need to be an exchange program at some point, but I honestly can't see everyone using mykis in July this year. Unless there is some monumental change in the speed at which things get done, I just don't see it happening, contract or no contract....  If you'll remember there was a contract to have this thing finished 2 and a half years ago as well that may have been extended just a little Smile

Can't wait to see the queues at that one myki machine at Southern Cross in a few weeks when 10,000 people have mykis!
"jessej100"


Thanks for all the info. Say, you wouldnt happen to guess once the metcard system is eventually shut down for good, what will happen to all those bus/tram style validator machines? You think the owners OneLink would be willing to just give them away to a bloke who would preserve it as a collectors piece perhaps?

Here's hoping  Laughing
  Speed Minister for Railways

I would expect the transition period to begin once Myki was available on all suburban buses, trams and trains. That means that it could begin in June.

Given that the OneLink equipment is used by multiple cities and some of it is bought second-hand from cities that no longer use it, it's quite possible that working OneLink equipment will be sold on. Sydney buses aren't going to get a new ticketing system any time soon.

If you really want old OneLink equipment, there may be broken equipment around for the taking.
  GORT-KLAATU Train Controller


If you really want old OneLink equipment, there may be broken equipment around for the taking.
"Speed"


Two words: Where and How?

Thanks mate.
  Halo Chief Train Controller

This new thread is a nightmare to find now. spent the last few days looking for it in Vic Suburban, and finally found it clicking through 3 other threads before this one came up.

I guess people will eventually find it.
  Gwiwer Rt Hon Gentleman and Ghost of Oliver Bulleid

Location: Loitering in darkest Somewhere
This new thread is a nightmare to find now. spent the last few days looking for it in Vic Suburban, and finally found it clicking through 3 other threads before this one came up.

I guess people will eventually find it.
"Halo"


So set up TRN's like the rest of us and you will get an automatic link to the topic each time there is a new reply.

Or just use Search.  No-one else seems to have a problem finding it.

If that's a nightmare ................  Rolling Eyes
  AzN_dj Chief Commissioner

Location: Along route 69

Can't wait to see the queues at that one myki machine at Southern Cross in a few weeks when 10,000 people have mykis!
 

They plan to put more myki machines at Southern Cross - just not yet.

Does anybody know when the Short Term Tickets will become available in Melbourne? Especially on the Stony Point line?
Here is another question - are the myki machines aware of where they are? E.G. the CVMs. Does a CVM at Caulfield know that its at Caulfield?
I am thinking that for tourists, or whatever, it would be easier for them to select a destination, rather than a zone when purchasing a ticket from a CVM. Then a message pops up saying something like "Did you know that your ticket is valid on trams, buses and trains up to ______ for the next 2 hours.", while whoever is waiting for the machine to spit out the ticket.

Just a thought.

And - yes, all the myki machines can beep, just they are not loud enough. If anyone is able to put in a request to change this, could they? Revenue?
  Gwiwer Rt Hon Gentleman and Ghost of Oliver Bulleid

Location: Loitering in darkest Somewhere
Select a destination


Have you seen the size of the machines in Sydney which allow you to do this?  The number of buttons is huge.  It can take 5 minutes to even locate the destination you want.  (Hint - Sandgate isn't listed alphabetically under "S", you need to first find the "Hunter" section of buttons .....  Rolling Eyes ).

Revenue would have a blue fit trying to cope with all that even if it does appear to be more user-friendly at first.

London has six main zones with one or two stations in the farthest areas in aones 7-9, A-D.  Maps beside each ticket machine (or bank of machines where many are fitted in one place) clearly show which zone you require both geographically and by alphabetic station listing.  Melbourne already does the first half of that perfectly well.

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