melbtrip Chief Commissioner

Location: Annoying Orange

It isn't my role to defend every decision related to myki and I object to the implication that it is
"Revenue"


Wow. You do a great job for an amateur.
You're an expert only when it suits you, aren't you?

"Valvegear"
I share knowledge and insights when asked politely.
"Revenue"


Can you please explain why Melbourne zone 1 and 2 single and day fare are calculated as the following:

two hours (single fare)  =  7 day pass /10
daily  cap =   7 day pass /5

and country fares are not?

Would it be better to take way the off-peak fares for regional areas and replace them with the better fares which are calculated the same way as Melbourne fares?

An example of the new fare structure is place below



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  xxxxlbear Token Booking Clerk

Location: Geelong
Can please explain why Melbourne zone 1 and 2 single and day cap is calculated on the following:
two hours (single fare) = 7 day pass /10
daily cap = = 7 day pass /5

and country zones are not?

Would it be better to take way the off-peak fares for regional areas and calculated the single and daily fare fares same way they do in Melbourne?

 

So the single and daily and 7 days for MYKI would work out as the following:
"melbtrip"

Can you please re-post this in a readable form of English, so Revenue has at least a  fighting chance in understanding the question that you are posting?

  melbtrip Chief Commissioner

Location: Annoying Orange

Can you please explain why Melbourne zone 1 and 2 single and day fare are calculated as the following:

two hours (single fare)  =  7 day pass /10
daily  cap =   7 day pass /5

and country fares are not?

Would it be better to take way the off-peak fares for regional areas and replace them with the better fares which are calculated the same way as Melbourne fares?

An example of the new fare structure is place below
"melbtrip"

Can you please re-post this in a readable form of English, so Revenue has at least a fighting chance in understanding the question that you are posting?

"xxxxlbear"


What is wrong with my post?
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Would it be better to take way the off-peak fares for regional areas and replace them with the better fares which are calculated the same way as Melbourne fares?
"melbtrip"
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I have a feeling that's what will happen when myki is introduced onto V/Line.
  xxxxlbear Token Booking Clerk

Location: Geelong

Can you please explain why Melbourne zone 1 and 2 single and day fare are calculated as the following:

two hours (single fare) = 7 day pass /10
daily cap = 7 day pass /5

and country fares are not?

Would it be better to take way the off-peak fares for regional areas and replace them with the better fares which are calculated the same way as Melbourne fares?

An example of the new fare structure is place below
"melbtrip"

Can you please re-post this in a readable form of English, so Revenue has at least a fighting chance in understanding the question that you are posting?

"xxxxlbear"


what wrong with my post?
"melbtrip"

For starters you show a total disregard for English grammar and puctuation.
And to make a point, your last post shoud read, 'What is wrong with my post?'.
Kindly learn basic English grammer and punctuation as your posts do not reflect too kindly on yourself at the moment.

And I can't even be bothered trying to point out the total lack of logic in your posts either.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Don't know whether this would be relevant, but, here goes.
  Gauntlet Chief Commissioner

Location:
What is wrong with my post?
"melbtrip"

I have almost no idea what the figures are in the two columns on the left are.
Is the $1.96 row city saver?
The second row is for zone 1 only, but where are the zone 2 and zone 1&2 rows?
I'm assuming you want weekend caps of $7 for travel in four zones, $15 for nine or more zones etc., but that could have been clearer.
Try replacing the two columns in the left with one column (called zones) and use values like 1, 2, 1+2, 1+2+3, 1 to 9 etc.
  melbtrip Chief Commissioner

Location: Annoying Orange

What is wrong with my post?
"melbtrip"

I have almost no idea what the figures are in the two columns on the left are.
Is the $1.96 row city saver?
The second row is for zone 1 only, but where are the zone 2 and zone 1&2 rows?
I'm assuming you want weekend caps of $7 for travel in four zones, $15 for nine or more zones etc., but that could have been clearer.
Try replacing the two columns in the left with one column (called zones) and use values like 1, 2, 1+2, 1+2+3, 1 to 9 etc.
"Gauntlet"



$1.96 - It a single zone (non melbourne zone 1)

Zone 1 and 2 - $5.44 and $10.88
Zone 2 fare - is a single zone (non melbourne zone 1) - $1.96



  Revenue Chief Commissioner

Let's deconstruct the waffle and self-serving spin for the ignorance and asre-covering that it is, shall we?

It isn't a trivial matter to give front line staff access to account details and personal information.
"Revenue"
I think what you meant to say was that Myki's budget does not support training a large number of front-line staff in Privacy Act provisions.  I've worked in banking, so I know what the provisions need to be (staff need to be able to ID customers with 100 points, Privacy Act training, and the only opposition I can see is one of costs for training, and some issues regarding anonymous cards - which is simple: only refund registered cards.

And as your name implies, your job is to try - and fail - to find ways of cutting costs.  Sort of like a clown wielding a novelty axe.

The level of complexity grows significantly. For example, all the controls about seeing who accessed what information, at what time for what purpose needs to be managed very carefully.
"Revenue"
In other words, you had a meeting with real lawyers once, and it involved spending money on staff, so hells no, girlfriend.

This then impacts on staff training and responsibilities.
"Revenue"
In other words, it costs money.

Because the money on cards is actual money (not credits) then there are banking regulations that apply.
"Revenue"
Are we supposed to be scared of the EEEEVIL BANKING REGULATIONS OF DOOOOOOM?

Nope.

Not. That. Hard - it just involves making sure staff are trained correctly.  But I'm not going to repeat myself...

Anti money laundrying laws then apply.
"Revenue"
Laundering, not laundrying.  We know your level of ignorance. Please don't make it too obvious.

There is a loophole for money-laundering. In fact, getting staff to process refunds closes that loophole.  What that loophole is - well, you're the one on the international jet-set lifestyle income.  You figure it out.

That's why this function - of refunding cards - was to be done centrally.
"Revenue"
Save me the drama: it's money.

To give front line staff access to the information required to process a refund (as opposed to swapping money from one card to another) is a MAJOR complication.
"Revenue"
Comes back to money for training staff again, doesn't it?

Bank tellers can be trained, but it's a MAJOR complication for station staff?

Bulls**t, sweetheart.

The functionality DOES exist at the back end. So then the solution could be a limited number of locations where the back end is accessible to a small number of staff who are essentially managed and trained as if they are in the call centre - with all the checks and balances that involves.
"Revenue"
Well, why not?

But having said all that - most people don't ask for refunds where they are available. Most people in London just throw their myki into one of the charity bins provided at stations and airports in London when they go.
"Revenue"
Considering that a) PTV was too proud and greedy to get Oyster b) no charity bins c) this isn't London and d) given that evidence I've heard is the exact opposite (many people ask for refunds of the remaining amounts) I'm calling spin and asre covering over the fact that another poor, accountancy-driven decision that screws over the customer was made.

And no-one cares that you've been to London.  Again, maybe go to somewhere in Melbourne instead.

Add it to the short-term tickets and the poor hardware quality (significant levels of EFTPOS reader failure a/c PTV being so tightfisted to buy the cheapest readers available is one big story on the staff level) and the poor choice of software provider and idiotic contract oversight...

Agreed the contractor failed to deliver (understatement) - but given that the cost of keeping Metcard running was around a million dollars a week then you can appreciate the need to get myki delivered as soon as possible.
"Revenue"
My Gods, that's the first time you've posted something factual, without spin and not full of self-serving boasting...

The contract management for Myki has been terrible - and I hasten to add that the people who caused those issues are no longer with the Victorian Government.
"Revenue"
Or moved somewhere else in PTV...

You have to feel sorry for the people who have tried to fix that up - who have really done a very good job in difficult contractual circumstances.
"Revenue"

"Sir Thomas Bent"


In my previous posts I talked about the difficulties associated with making changes to the current functionality of the ticketing system due to the contractor's inability to deliver software in an appropriate timeframes.  Because of this problem, the conversation doesn't even get to the second consideration (which you are quite right is whether the costs associated with providing a particular change represent a good investment). But it isn't money that is driving this decision - it is whether the contractor could deliver the changes.

To address your specific questions:

- Yes, staff could be trained to do this. There would need to be discussions with unions and other stakeholders to do this but that all could be managed. But as I mentioned, it is a massive amount of software development to deliver a system to front line staff that could do this. This isn't a staff training issue - it is a software development issue to put this functionality in place with the required checks and balances. The banking regulations are problematic not for staff training, but for the software development for the solution for front line staff to use.

- The people who made the major mistakes in relation to myki are not with the state government or its agencies in any capacity.
  Revenue Chief Commissioner

It isn't my role to defend every decision related to myki and I object to the implication that it is
"Revenue"


Wow. You do a great job for an amateur.
You're an expert only when it suits you, aren't you?
"Valvegear"
I share knowledge and insights when asked politely.
"Revenue"


Can you please explain why Melbourne zone 1 and 2 single and day fare are calculated as the following:

two hours (single fare)  =  7 day pass /10
daily  cap =   7 day pass /5

and country fares are not?

Would it be better to take way the off-peak fares for regional areas and replace them with the better fares which are calculated the same way as Melbourne fares?

An example of the new fare structure is place below


"melbtrip"


Periodical tickets are heavily discounted on V/Line - which means that the weekly cap can be reached in about three days of travel. In order to fix this you would need to increase the price of periodical tickets, which is unlikely to occur. The alternative, to reduce the cost of the single and daily cap, would decrease revenue and would reduce V/Line prices below appropriate levels.

There are no plans that I am aware of to revise V/Line pricing.

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