Location: Sydney, Australia
Can anyone share any updates on the new A sets?
I caught some brief footage on the 7 news of it doing night tests.
I caught some brief footage on the 7 news of it doing night tests.
Waratah Updates
Festivus
Station Master
Location: Sydney, Australia
seb2351
Chief Commissioner
Location: Sydney
The PPTV is roaming across the network, in the wee hours of the morning. From the 24th May -28th May, it will be testing on the East Hills line from 2030-0400 ( Well thats when the possession is in effect).
It is stabling at the AMF at present. (EDIT: As opposed to being in Newcastle)
There have been a few STN's come out where it has been shunting into Sydney Terminal at 0400ish as well (were the loco is turned around). I would imagine this is bound to occur in the future.
It is stabling at the AMF at present. (EDIT: As opposed to being in Newcastle)
There have been a few STN's come out where it has been shunting into Sydney Terminal at 0400ish as well (were the loco is turned around). I would imagine this is bound to occur in the future.
doridori
Chief Commissioner
Saw it poking it's ugly head out in Eveleigh today.
Bloody orange everywhere as well !
Bloody orange everywhere as well !
slacker
Train Controller
It has been testing on the East Hills line this week from Monday-Thursday. I also spotted it at Central heading for the City Circle just after midnight on the 7th May.
It looks pretty good. I haven't been able to catch the number of the loco that's been pulling it around even though I've seen it 3 times already.
It looks pretty good. I haven't been able to catch the number of the loco that's been pulling it around even though I've seen it 3 times already.
Inspector
Chief Commissioner
Location: Gone to - I don't know..............
I'm pretty sure it's Coote's 442s1.
meh
Chief Commissioner
Location: Sydney
yep its 442s1, its got the transition couplers on both ends. everyday i go past its at opposite ends of the sheds. must be moving the test set onto each track inside making sure everythings a go?
Mitch
Mitch
snowy446
Deputy Commissioner
Location: Somewhere on a train
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Od-3vQ3-GM0
News Report uploaded by doctornickau & Wheels On Steel have some pictures
brasstrain
Banned
Location: Banned
Something new on the Waratahs are the ditch lights which start flashing when the horn is sounded which is very USA feature. I often wondered why they do not put bells on suburban trains to attract attention to trains entering and exiting stations instead of having to scare the wits out of passengers with loud horns. Particularly on the City underground where they are very loud to point where they cause cause ear discomfort.
seb2351
Chief Commissioner
Location: Sydney
Because the driver and guard communicate using bells, and it is underground, no matter what type of system you use, it will echo and be loud. The horn needs to be loud enough to be heard a sufficent distance away for any work crews, escpeically in the Citycircle.
Explorers have the same feature as well.
Explorers have the same feature as well.
C3600
Train Controller
Location: Coniston
I've already heard of issues with the chinese welding plus another issue with the cabs.
I always have to wonder why RC go to an almost clean sheet design for each new train.
I always have to wonder why RC go to an almost clean sheet design for each new train.
Oreo
Train Controller
I've read over at Skyscraper City that the first set of Waratah's are headed over to the Western Line. But then again, someone then stated that they have also read that the first batch will go to Sector 2.
So anyone here know where exactly the first batch is going to?
So anyone here know where exactly the first batch is going to?
Rails
Chief Commissioner
I have read a few different things on various forums about where the A sets will end up.
It seems that most suggest there will be none running on Sector 1. However some say they will mostly go to Sector 2 with a few for Sector 3 and others say most will end up on Sector 3 including Waratahs for all ECRL services and then just a couple on Sector 2.
EDIT: lol, JINX!
It seems that most suggest there will be none running on Sector 1. However some say they will mostly go to Sector 2 with a few for Sector 3 and others say most will end up on Sector 3 including Waratahs for all ECRL services and then just a couple on Sector 2.
EDIT: lol, JINX!
Oreo
Train Controller
I have read a few different things on various forums about where the A sets will end up.
It seems that most suggest there will be none running on Sector 1. However some say they will mostly go to Sector 2 with a few for Sector 3 and others say most will end up on Sector 3 including Waratahs for all ECRL services and then just a couple on Sector 2.
EDIT: lol, JINX!
hahahaha
And I thought that when I saw there was a new post that someone would of answered my question, hahaha!
Well hopefully majority go to Sector 3. Given that the M-Sets run exclusively on Sector 2.
doridori
Chief Commissioner
I've already heard of issues with the chinese welding plus another issue with the cabs.
I always have to wonder why RC go to an almost clean sheet design for each new train.
Surprises me not one bit.
I know the quality that comes out of China for our water pipes for Syd Water.
They are that bad, that Syd Water have posted a pre-deportation inspection crew over there to ensure that they no longer send us the crap they were...
Nathan1987
Chief Commissioner
Location: Mt Warrigal N.S.W
Sector 1 newest trains will be Tangaras shared with odd Oscar doing suburban work, it's kinda shame that we won't see them on Sector 1 but hopefully we get the chance for one to randomly appear on the lines down there.
nadnerbster
Deputy Commissioner
Location: Profundo en la Mierda
Supposedly the first couple of sets have "ugly looking" but still perfectly functional welds. They welders have since improved and the welds on the other 70 sets should look fine.
A lot of the criticism is anti-china bulldust which should be directed to the bin where it belongs. The Chinese have, and are building, the world's fastest trains - they're taking designs from Europe and Japan and ramping up the speeds up to 40%. They have no more problems than we do when we build ours.
I've heard nothing but praise for the train from the test drivers I've spoken to. The cab layout apparently is very good, the "jerky" acceleration and braking (particularly when transitioning from stationary to moving and vice versa) from the M set has been eliminated, the computer systems are good.
I did read somewhere at work, where the sets will be allocated, but my memory is fuzzy. It's said there'll be 3 stages, and IIRC, Sector 2 will get the first sets, then Sector 3 "north" (ECRL/Main North) will get them, then sector 3 "west" (Richmond, Penrith, North Shore).
A lot of the criticism is anti-china bulldust which should be directed to the bin where it belongs. The Chinese have, and are building, the world's fastest trains - they're taking designs from Europe and Japan and ramping up the speeds up to 40%. They have no more problems than we do when we build ours.
I've heard nothing but praise for the train from the test drivers I've spoken to. The cab layout apparently is very good, the "jerky" acceleration and braking (particularly when transitioning from stationary to moving and vice versa) from the M set has been eliminated, the computer systems are good.
I did read somewhere at work, where the sets will be allocated, but my memory is fuzzy. It's said there'll be 3 stages, and IIRC, Sector 2 will get the first sets, then Sector 3 "north" (ECRL/Main North) will get them, then sector 3 "west" (Richmond, Penrith, North Shore).
wongm
GEEWONG
Location: Geelong, Victoria
A fair few shots up on Flickr if you dig:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/48889075182@N01/sets/72157623989674840/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/squeakaz/sets/72157623862500545/
I saw some more good ones the other day, but lost the link...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/48889075182@N01/sets/72157623989674840/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/squeakaz/sets/72157623862500545/
I saw some more good ones the other day, but lost the link...
Aurora8
Assistant Commissioner
Location: Sydney
Nice to finally see some pics of it without the basic shell. Thanks for the links.
brasstrain
Banned
Location: Banned
There are quite a few videos of the Waratahs on U Tube also.
red7489
Junior Train Controller
I have heard the same thing Nadnerbster about the roll out of the trains. They want to test the reliability on sector 2 first then on sector 3 as they do not want any issue in the ECRL and Harbour Bridge. I have heard that they are having issues with the passenger emergency equipment which has to be operational before they go into service and this is among a few others issues from the drivers and guards that I have been talking to that are in the test crew.
hornetfig
Assistant Commissioner
A lot of the criticism is anti-china bulldust which should be directed to the bin where it belongs. The Chinese have, and are building, the world's fastest trains - they're taking designs from Europe and Japan and ramping up the speeds up to 40%. They have no more problems than we do when we build ours.
The issue, like all outsourcing projects, is two:
(1) the meticulous specification of the job and then the rigid requirement to adhere to that specification, and;
(2) the adequacy of supervision
The same engineering firm and the same manufacturer that produce great quality stuff for the domestic market can still churn out crap for an outsourcer.
It's merely important that RailCorp and EDI be vigilant given this is the first arrangement of its type that certainly the former has undertaken.
GeoffreyHansen
Minister for Railways
Location: In a FAM sleeper
The front of the Waratah trains with their lights reminds me of the front of some European cars.
fast01
BUTTSCRATCHER!
Location: Somewhere your not.
The PPTV test set was testing out on the East Hills line last night, saw it last night loco hauled passed Wolli Creek at about midnight or so.
doridori
Chief Commissioner
Supposedly the first couple of sets have "ugly looking" but still perfectly functional welds. They welders have since improved and the welds on the other 70 sets should look fine.
A lot of the criticism is anti-china bulldust which should be directed to the bin where it belongs. The Chinese have, and are building, the world's fastest trains - they're taking designs from Europe and Japan and ramping up the speeds up to 40%. They have no more problems than we do when we build ours.
I've heard nothing but praise for the train from the test drivers I've spoken to. The cab layout apparently is very good, the "jerky" acceleration and braking (particularly when transitioning from stationary to moving and vice versa) from the M set has been eliminated, the computer systems are good.
I did read somewhere at work, where the sets will be allocated, but my memory is fuzzy. It's said there'll be 3 stages, and IIRC, Sector 2 will get the first sets, then Sector 3 "north" (ECRL/Main North) will get them, then sector 3 "west" (Richmond, Penrith, North Shore).
My information regarding weld quality comes from someone high enough in SYd Water to know as a fact.
The things you're praising are due to the outfitting and engineering of locals, not the shell that we're discussing...
kaheiyeh
Locomotive Fireman
The PPTV test set was testing out on the East Hills line last night, saw it last night loco hauled passed Wolli Creek at about midnight or so.
It's gonna be there for a while. 11.23pm and 11.53pm Town Hall to Campbelltown services terminate at Kingsgrove and bustituted and Campbelltown until Thursday. Presumably to allow testing.
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