NSW NDCH Spoil Wagons

 
  Teditor Deputy Commissioner

Location: Toowoomba
I have done a search without success, would like to find out running numbers for the NDCF Spoil Wagons, a photo or two would also be of assistance, if anyone is able to assist, it will be greatly appreciated.

Ted (Teditor) Freeman.

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  42101 Banned

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Give me a couple of mins mate will see what pics i have.
  Teditor Deputy Commissioner

Location: Toowoomba
Give me a couple of mins mate will see what pics i have.
"42101"


42101
Thanks for the quick response, no major hurry, appreciate any help.

Teditor.
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  Teditor Deputy Commissioner

Location: Toowoomba
Thanks 42101, some helpful information in the photos, would still like to obtain numbers if possible, and by the looks of it, any variations from NDCH to NDCF (and possibly why?).

Teditor.
  wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria
Found on Flickr - The caption says it is NDCF2091K:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/83791520@N00/4588113265/
  645edude Train Controller

Location: In my own little 1/87 world
Hi Teditor
The only NDCH wagons i can find in my collection are
2520L, 2050A and 2092E
They are really bad photos that are not worth posting unfortunately.
Hope numbers help.
645edude
  Teditor Deputy Commissioner

Location: Toowoomba
Thanks for your help guys, isn't it amazing that the only recognisable photos have both been of the same wagon and it is an NDCF.

So the next question, what is the difference between an NDCH and an NDCF except for the last letter?

The Australian Rolling Stock site has no information unfortunately.

Teditor.
  42101 Banned

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Few more mate.


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  Teditor Deputy Commissioner

Location: Toowoomba
Thanks again 42101, the photos are a great help, the numbers still seem to be elusive though, I know have managed to source quite a few, just how many were there?

Was it possible they retained their numbers that were on the converted wagons, and if so, what was the code for them.

Teditor.
  42101 Banned

Location: Banned
Hi mate.
No idea what running numbers but as a lot of these came from NOHF,NOEF,NOBF/X,GP Type wagons that may give you somewhere to start the hunt...good luck mate and just glad i could help. SmileSmile
  M636C Minister for Railways

The yellow NDCF wagon in 42101's photos is an ex G wagon (GP, NOHF and so on). It can be recognised by the recessed side panels that remained when the sides were reduced in height and the distinctive frame. The number however is probably a "new" number in the W ("way and works") series rather than its number in the capital stock (although many G wagons carried low numbers).

Most of the other wagons in the photos are modified BDL/BDX (NOBX, NOBF) wagons, some of which retain the corrugated side panels (but have plain panels in the door spaces) while others have plain panels throughout. These have the distinctive underframe that deepens to twice the depth at an angle at the first external pillar on each side. Again these have numbers in the "W" series (often in the 2500 series) rather than the 28 000 to 33 000 series they had in the capital stock.

The height of these wagons was reduced for the spoil traffic when it was realised that wagons with full height sides were frequently overloaded when filled with spoil. The final "H" in NDCH indicates that these wagons were heavier than standard freight wagons when fully loaded. Many Hunter Valley coal wagons have a similar final letter to indicate 120 tonnes fully loaded. The reversion to NDCF might have indicated a reduction in the permissable load for that wagon.

The short orange wagon with platforms at each end is a former BD (NOAF) wagon, as indicated by the corrugated side panels and the short central section of deeper frame.

I've never seen an NOEF used in a spoil train, nor have I seen one coded NDCH or NDCF. But they could have been used. They would stand out, being about 35 feet long (like the NOAF) but with flat side panels, compared to the 45 feet NOBX and 40 feet long NOHF wagons.

A number of NDCH wagons (ex NOBX) were sold to CFCLA for conversion to container wagons, and the new numbers should be found on their website.

A large number of NOBX wagons have been used for concrete sleeper trains, some with fixed racks and some with sleeper racks on container frames. Other NOBXs have been converted to carry two spoil containers. These are painted orange and can be seen in 42101's photos as well.

All of these wagons have "new" numbers in the "W" series (although most don't carry the "W" anywhere).

A number of former NOBX wagons are being converted to rail train use at Goulburn at the moment. Some of these might have been spoil wagons.

M636C
  Teditor Deputy Commissioner

Location: Toowoomba
Thanks M636, very comprehensive description, having the fact that they didn't retain their original numbers, but for the most part went into the W series of 2500's will help tremendously, and the explanation re; the H and F designation is also of great assistance for the current project.

Greatly appreciated from all that have responded.

Ted (Teditor) Freeman.

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