Next new timetable

 
  Kerpal Deputy Commissioner

LOL.  How many tens of millions of dollars were spent on the extra platform at Laverton to add a measly 4 services a day!

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  dbowen Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Timetables now online

http://destinationbetter.metrotrains.com.au/


Note Frankston weekday interpeak will alternate loop/direct. Looks like the directs go through to Werribee.


Daniel
  vlinecars V/Man - "Yeah!"

Location: Here, there, everywhere!
Gees, how often would that happen, both CityRail and Melbourne having a new timetable start on the same dates!
  armadale-gal Junior Train Controller

In the hour or so since I looked last the Metro website has been given a facelift... and it's quite an improvement.  I see they've given the rolling punctuality & reliability figures the spotlight, which is fine now that they're running close to the line but probably wouldn't be so great for them if it were back round 82%.
  Gauntlet Chief Commissioner

Location:
Its disappointing that none of the inter-peak Frankston services will run express.
With the alterations to the Stony Point line here
http://destinationbetter.metrotrains.com.au/fl.php
all "new" services arrive at Frankston when half should arrive at Stony Point.

And they spent $92.6 million "fixing" the occasional blockage at Lavertory, there had better be more services terminating there when the rest of the NX'Traps arrive.
  tomohawk Chief Commissioner

Location: Getting The Met to get around
I believe the Plan is full time Laverton services, but we certainly aren't ready for that yet. These are progressive improvements as we get more trains.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

The big timetable change will be as required in the Franchise Agreement to be introduced by April 2011, either as (i) a two tier service timetable or (ii) a complete new Metro tt .

The development of a complete new tt takes over 12 months as one needs the trains, staff, re rostering etc .

So Laverton and Werribee will get the full split peak treatment from next year in that at Peak times two sets of trains ; SAS terminating Laverton via Westona, and Werribee directs via Mainline with Limited stops .

Other hints of Metro's likely approach across the board on all lines :

- Off Peak Weekdays 0900 to 1630  on 10 minute frequencies
- Evening Peak frequencies of 20 minutes from 1900 to 2200
- Simplified stopping patterns
- Stricter discipline trains direct (& through routed) and Loop services.
  Bertram Locomotive Fireman

Location: Riversdale
Please remind me again what date is the election?
  Kerpal Deputy Commissioner

Shame they didn't correct the illogical timing of early morning services from Werribee.  The 7:45 stopping all stations to Laverton always delays the 7:49 that skips Aircraft - this timetable was a good chance to put the express train first.
  RailwayBus Locomotive Driver

LOL.  How many tens of millions of dollars were spent on the extra platform at Laverton to add a measly 4 services a day!
"Kerpal"

Patience Razz
As others have said, wait for bigger things. Laughing
  gxh Junior Train Controller

Location: SE suburbs
While more services inter-peak on the Frankston line are presumably to be welcomed, the fact that half of them are to/from FSS leads to some "interesting" outcomes.  This can be seen particularly in the pre-peak down services.   Departures from FSS are 2 every 20 minutes, which is not the same as 1 every 10 minutes!   In fact the intervals alternate between 17 or 18 minutes and a couple of minutes.  Is this really much of an improvement over 1 every 15 minutes?   And for loop passengers (travelling towards Frankston), I guess the message will have to be, if the next train to arrive is a Cranbourne or Pakenham, take that and wait at Richmond because you might just score a direct from FSS.
In the meantime, will this improve punctuality?   Only 69.7% for the Frankston line in July - see http://www.taxi.vic.gov.au/doi/internet/transport.nsf/AllDocs/E86D4F30A09DB660CA256F1000218747?OpenDocument
  RailwayBus Locomotive Driver

While more services inter-peak on the Frankston line are presumably to be welcomed, the fact that half of them are to/from FSS leads to some "interesting" outcomes.  This can be seen particularly in the pre-peak down services.   Departures from FSS are 2 every 20 minutes, which is not the same as 1 every 10 minutes!   In fact the intervals alternate between 17 or 18 minutes and a couple of minutes.  Is this really much of an improvement over 1 every 15 minutes?   And for loop passengers (travelling towards Frankston), I guess the message will have to be, if the next train to arrive is a Cranbourne or Pakenham, take that and wait at Richmond because you might just score a direct from FSS.
In the meantime, will this improve punctuality?   Only 69.7% for the Frankston line in July - see http://www.taxi.vic.gov.au/doi/internet/transport.nsf/AllDocs/E86D4F30A09DB660CA256F1000218747?OpenDocument
"gxh"

Yes the times are not even ex Flinders Street, but for all stations between Richmond and Frankston they are. Not everyone travels to the City remember? Razz
  Horace Banned

Location: Banned
And it's every ten minutes from Frankston. Gee, some people are very hard to please. They must vote Green. You know, they say we should have trains every 9 minutes - you give them ten and then say it's a complete sell out and we would have been better doing nothing. Oh, geez.
  AzN_dj Chief Commissioner

Location: Along route 69
Im surprised that the 10 minute Frequency went to Frankston and not Dandenong. Even more surprised that now the frequencies are different.
Will be confusing for Caulfield passengers with a 10 min plus 15 min frequency. I thought Metro were trying to go for consistency
  RailwayBus Locomotive Driver

Im surprised that the 10 minute Frequency went to Frankston and not Dandenong. Even more surprised that now the frequencies are different.
Will be confusing for Caulfield passengers with a 10 min plus 15 min frequency. I thought Metro were trying to go for consistency
"AzN_dj"


Can't upgrade every line at once, there are trains to be built and drivers to be trained, they don't grow on trees.... well, a few probably did RazzLaughing
  AzN_dj Chief Commissioner

Location: Along route 69
Im surprised that the 10 minute Frequency went to Frankston and not Dandenong. Even more surprised that now the frequencies are different.
Will be confusing for Caulfield passengers with a 10 min plus 15 min frequency. I thought Metro were trying to go for consistency
"AzN_dj"


Can't upgrade every line at once, there are trains to be built and drivers to be trained, they don't grow on trees.... well, a few probably did RazzLaughing
"RailwayBus"

But I would have assumed that Dandenong had more of an urgency for upgrading than Frankston?
  Horace Banned

Location: Banned
...But I would have assumed that Dandenong had more of an urgency for upgrading than Frankston?
"AzN_dj"


It does, but Gippsland trains also run on the same tracks, which is just TOO difficult. What do we need?  A third track to Dandenong. When do we want it? NOW! (OR at least in the next four years). Alas, the morons who make the decisions will ignore the obvious. Why? Because it is a difficult build with lots of disruptions and will cost $1 billion with the corresponding grade separations. Too bad. It has to be done.
  heisdeadjim Chief Commissioner

Please remind me again what date is the election?
"Bertram"


Last Saturday November, IIRC.

Shame they didn't correct the illogical timing of early morning services from Werribee.  The 7:45 stopping all stations to Laverton always delays the 7:49 that skips Aircraft - this timetable was a good chance to put the express train first.
"Kerpal"


Have not done the run for a while, as I understand it the 7.49 goes up the middle, yes? And the 7.45 goes the long way?

It works if both depart on time.
  gxh Junior Train Controller

Location: SE suburbs

Will be confusing for Caulfield passengers with a 10 min plus 15 min frequency. I thought Metro were trying to go for consistency
"AzN_dj"

I'm sure Caulfield passengers will be able to manage, they'll just read the PIDs and find the right platform.  It's the FSS and loop passengers who might end up a little confused (at least, in the afternoons).   This was the point I was trying to make earlier - don't get me wrong, I wasn't saying a 10 minute frequency wasn't good enough, merely that for FSS and loop passengers, things seem to be a little complex and they might not get full advantage of the 10 minute frequency!
That said, I'm sure that Metro would like to see consistency, but there are no doubt operational considerations that have led to the pattern that has been adopted.  And I guess having every 2nd train being a loop train might be regarded by some people as better than having all trains direct to FSS (which I guess might be another option?).  I understand there have been quite a few complaints down Frankston way about the am expresses going direct to FSS!
  Kerpal Deputy Commissioner

Please remind me again what date is the election?
"Bertram"


Last Saturday November, IIRC.

Shame they didn't correct the illogical timing of early morning services from Werribee.  The 7:45 stopping all stations to Laverton always delays the 7:49 that skips Aircraft - this timetable was a good chance to put the express train first.
"Kerpal"


Have not done the run for a while, as I understand it the 7.49 goes up the middle, yes? And the 7.45 goes the long way?

It works if both depart on time.
"heisdeadjim"


The new timetable has both services running "up the middle" (i.e. not via Altona).
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

Metro are dancing to DOT here and this tt was largely planned and locked in by Connex. They are between a rock and a hard place for a tt change now (i) Introduce some improvement albeit that does not fit totally with the long term tt plan (April 2011), or (ii) Do nothing .

Obviously DOT and Government want "brownie" points for seeing to be doing something ahead of the State Election in November, and Metro want to be seen as co-operating with Government especially in the light of their on-going poor timekeeping performance .

The April  2011 tt will see far more strict discipline in frequency, stopping patterns , simplicity etc .

Has anyone seen the WTT ?  It is suggested that the Off-Peak Direct Werribee's on 20 min cycle are through route via Southern Cross & Flinders St to form the Direct Frankston service on the 20 minute cycle and vice versa ?  If this is so this is a good move , and the Destination signs on those "sparks" should show Werribee or Frankston on the Up NOT Flinders St .
  dbowen Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Has anyone seen the WTT ?  It is suggested that the Off-Peak Direct Werribee's on 20 min cycle are through route via Southern Cross & Flinders St to form the Direct Frankston service on the 20 minute cycle and vice versa ?
"kuldalai"


From the looks of the public timetables, this is indeed the case; the Frankston timetables include Southern Cross in their listing for those trains, and they match the train times to/from Werribee.


Daniel
  DalyWaters Chief Commissioner

It is suggested that the Off-Peak Direct Werribee's on 20 min cycle are through route via Southern Cross & Flinders St to form the Direct Frankston service on the 20 minute cycle and vice versa ? If this is so this is a good move , and the Destination signs on those "sparks" should show Werribee or Frankston on the Up NOT Flinders St .


I agree, they should show the through destination.  I bet they won't though.
The destination comes up based on the Train Describer number that we drivers punch into the DDU.  The Up number is bound to indicate Flinders St, as it has for any of the rare current through workings.

(Just imagine when Laverton or Newport has one of their signalling SNAFUs.  We will have no Frankstons for ages then three in a row.  It is a positive move though.  Brings us closer to where we were forty years ago.)
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

If we are ever going to sell the flexibility that through routing trains from East to West offers a whole new range of travel options without having to change trains, then we must show the final train destination just like it was shown in the pre-loop days .

Also this through routing of Werribees to Frankston and v.v. on a regular basis, then those wishing to travel from Flinders St to Southern Cross will have a known platform they can head for at Flinders Street instead of playing the current  "Russian Roulette."

In respect of entering the TD number would this not be just a matter of entering the Down train number ? or are there other consequences which interface with the signal boxes etc that determine the train route ?
  DalyWaters Chief Commissioner

In respect of entering the TD number would this not be just a matter of entering the Down train number ? or are there other consequences which interface with the signal boxes etc that determine the train route ?


Not possible.  An Up train must have an Up (i.e. even) number.  the first digit indicates the group of lines.  When Metrol puts out a group call to warn drivers of an obstacle or something, you need all trains in that area to be logged on to that group, which is done through the TD number being entered in the DDU.

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