Countrylink delays

 
  bjwh86 Chief Train Controller

So nothing to add except stupid replies. Ok lil kids run along

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  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
So nothing to add except stupid replies. Ok lil kids run along
"bjwh86"


Okay, I'll bite. You post a poorly reasoned "idea", with little to no research to back yourself up, and then complain when you get "stupid replies", calling us "little kids" as if that's the kind of thing that someone's going to be insulted by? Anyone who has even gone within a hundred metres of a North Coast XPT service knows that the trains *are used*. Perhaps you could rationalise them slightly at certain times of the year, but you can't just say it's easy to come in and chop a whole run out of the timetable "because you feel like it".

Ever heard the phrase "ask a stupid question and get a stupid answer", or perhaps "you reap what you sew"? Perhaps actually put some thought into your "suggestions" if you would like to spark a serious discussion, and you won't get treated with derision. Yet another example of a member of the enthusiast community enacting the "armchair expert" clause and then bursting into tears when they find they don't know everything there is to know about the railways.

Well done!
  thadocta Chief Commissioner

Location: Katoomba
So nothing to add except stupid replies. Ok lil kids run along
"bjwh86"
Stupid posts receiving educated replies is the correct situation here.

Now, please go and play in the playground until school restarts in about six weeks.

Dave
  Watson374 Chief Commissioner

Location: Fully reclined at the pointy end.
Oh gosh, another North Coast triple-daily discussion. No, it's not like we haven't done this topic to death and beyond, but if anyone's actually interested in more serious armchair operation, we have a dedicated thread on the armchair board for this sort of thing, so the uninterested need not have to put up with it for the nth time.
  craigfitz1 Train Controller

Does anyone have any info' on why today's Sydney to Moree Xplorer has terminated at Gunnedah ('due to operational issues' say CountryLink).

Similarly, what are the 'operational issues' behind the major delays that today's Melbourne to Sydney XPT is suffering?

Any inside info' on the above would be appreciated.
  Black Hoppers Chief Train Controller

Location: Banned
So nothing to add except stupid replies. Ok lil kids run along
"bjwh86"


Okay, I'll bite. You post a poorly reasoned "idea", with little to no research to back yourself up, and then complain when you get "stupid replies", calling us "little kids" as if that's the kind of thing that someone's going to be insulted by? Anyone who has even gone within a hundred metres of a North Coast XPT service knows that the trains *are used*. Perhaps you could rationalise them slightly at certain times of the year, but you can't just say it's easy to come in and chop a whole run out of the timetable "because you feel like it".

Ever heard the phrase "ask a stupid question and get a stupid answer", or perhaps "you reap what you sew"? Perhaps actually put some thought into your "suggestions" if you would like to spark a serious discussion, and you won't get treated with derision. Yet another example of a member of the enthusiast community enacting the "armchair expert" clause and then bursting into tears when they find they don't know everything there is to know about the railways.

Well done!
"Raichase"


That my friend is a beautifully worded reply that bjwh deserved fully for his little temper tantrum when called on his less than thoughtfull ideas.
  tezza Chief Commissioner

This incident in suburban Melbourne sounds like it could have lead to the daytime XPT being cancelled today.
The 68-year-old Keilor East man died instantly when struck by the Sydney-bound express on a bridge just before 10am (AEDT) on Sunday.Police say he was walking along a trestle bridge over the Maribyrnong River in Keilor East.
http://news.theage.com.au/breaking-news-national/man-killed-by-train-in-melbournes-north-20101003-162hc.html
"Speed"


Give that Keilor East man a Darwin Award
  Throughwestmail Train Controller

This incident in suburban Melbourne sounds like it could have lead to the daytime XPT being cancelled today.
The 68-year-old Keilor East man died instantly when struck by the Sydney-bound express on a bridge just before 10am (AEDT) on Sunday.Police say he was walking along a trestle bridge over the Maribyrnong River in Keilor East.
http://news.theage.com.au/breaking-news-national/man-killed-by-train-in-melbournes-north-20101003-162hc.html
"Speed"



Give that Keilor East man a Darwin award
"tezza"
Why has this been rehashed when it happened in October 2010, or could it lead to a delay for todays trains?????
  thefatcontroller Assistant Commissioner

Location: Sydney, Australia
This isn't a delay- But does anybody know if the rail line is cut at Bogan Gate due to bushfires along the line?
  Black Hoppers Chief Train Controller

Location: Banned
Not sure that this will answer your question but it may help.
Bogan Gate Fires    Watch and Act    2 km west of Bogan Gate    Parkes    Being Controlled    Scrub/Grass fire    08/01 : 05:55P

There is also a fire to the west of Trundle.

 

 

 

  craigfitz1 Train Controller


Another bad day couple of days for Australia's most -cancelled and second-most cancelled country trains.

The Griffith to Sydney train is canned today (for the usual 'operational reasons').

Tomorrow's Sydney to Moree run is cancelled, as is the return trip on Tuesday.('car availability').

Time to bite the bullet guys and either get a couple more Xplorer cars (possibly by conversion), or if that is simply not possible or desirable; then permanently cancel either the Griffith or Moree run or both.

Your reputation for reliability, already pretty poor, takes another hit each time you make these last minute cancellations, and with no spare equipment (at least of the steel-wheel- on-steel-rail variety), you really are in a tight corner.
You cannot put out glossy tourism promotions about running trains to each of these destinations, and then so frequently cancel them (for whatever reason, sometimes CountryLink's fault other times not, I admit).



  MD Chief Commissioner

Location: Canbera
What should Countrylink do when they cant run trains for reasons over which they have no control?
The joys of horizontal integration.
  Gwiwer Rt Hon Gentleman and Ghost of Oliver Bulleid

Location: Loitering in darkest Somewhere
Press the case for a little more rolling stock perhaps?
  thefatcontroller Assistant Commissioner

Location: Sydney, Australia

But wait! It gets better:

4 March 2013


North Western region - CLK243  the 10:05 Sydney to Moree XPLORER service has been replaced by a road coach service for the entire journey, due to an operational issue.  Delays of 30 to 60 minutes have been experienced.


North Coast region - CLK33 the 07:15 Sydney to Casino XPT service has been delayed by up to 40 minutes due to operational issues.


North Coast region - CLK35 the 11:35 Sydney to Grafton XPT service has been replaced by a road coach service for the entire journey, due to an operational issue.


North Coast region - CLK32 the 06:30 Brisbane to Sydney XPT service has been delayed by up to 40 minutes due to operational issues.


Western region - Due to track machines blocking the rail line between Bathurst and Newbridge the following alterations to Western region XPT and XPLORER services:


CLK445 the 06:20 Sydney to Broken Hill Outback Explorer was held at Bathurst pending the rail line re-opening. The XPLORER service departed Bathurst at 12:50 and will now operate from Bathurst to Broken Hill via Orange East Fork station.  Delays of up to 150 minutes are expected.


CLK427 the 07:10 Sydney to Dubbo XPT service has terminated at Bathurst and replaced by a road coach service from Bathurst to Dubbo. Delays of up to 90 minutes are expected. Minor delay to westbound connection coach services to Lightning Ridge and Broken Hill.


CLK428 the 14:10 Dubbo to Sydney XPT has been replaced by a road coach service from Dubbo to Bathurst, departed at 14:10,  the XPT will commence from Bathurst and operate to Sydney.

5 March 2013


North Western region - CLK244 the 08:25 Moree to Sydney XPLORER service has been replaced by coach services for the entire journey, due to an operational issue.

  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner




Press the case for a little more rolling stock perhaps?

"Gwiwer"
What, you mean with that "thing" that was the former premier Greiner (It is hard to say that name without coughing!) still haunting the place? NO CHANCE - Remember that he wants ALL Countrylink trains replaced buses and/or planes.

At Fat Controller, no, no.  "But wait. Do YOU want more. It gets eveen better"

Do you more delays due to "operational reasons." "Do you want a perfect product" "- Well don't come to us then!"

  Watson374 Chief Commissioner

Location: Fully reclined at the pointy end.

Press the case for a little more rolling stock perhaps?
"Gwiwer"


Simply topping up a few cars doesn't really work, as there just isn't the economy of scale required to make a car order justifiable.

  CaseyJones Chief Commissioner

Location: A little south of sanity



Another bad day couple of days for Australia's most -cancelled and second-most cancelled country trains.

The Griffith to Sydney train is canned today (for the usual 'operational reasons').

Tomorrow's Sydney to Moree run is cancelled, as is the return trip on Tuesday.('car availability').

Time to bite the bullet guys and either get a couple more Xplorer cars (possibly by conversion), or if that is simply not possible or desirable; then permanently cancel either the Griffith or Moree run or both.

Your reputation for reliability, already pretty poor, takes another hit each time you make these last minute cancellations, and with no spare equipment (at least of the steel-wheel- on-steel-rail variety), you really are in a tight corner.
You cannot put out glossy tourism promotions about running trains to each of these destinations, and then so frequently cancel them (for whatever reason, sometimes CountryLink's fault other times not, I admit).



"craigfitz1"

The Griffith service was cancelled due to a CountryNet radio failure - new trains won't fix that...

Speeding up the (well...commencing) ICE radio installations in CountryLink rolling stock might help.

Cheers

  thefatcontroller Assistant Commissioner

Location: Sydney, Australia





At Fat Controller, no, no. "But wait. Do YOU want more. It gets eveen better"

Do you more delays due to "operational reasons." "Do you want a perfect product" "- Well don't come to us then!"

"Newcastle Express"


I was being sarcastic?...

  craigfitz1 Train Controller


Thanks for the info' regarding the Griffith Xplorer's radio not working. It is always good to find out the real story behind the 'operational issues' for why things get cancelled.

That said, from an ordinary passenger's perspective, cancelling a train 'because the radio is broken' is laughable. Trying to explain that sort of thing to the paying public is not easy.

There are a thousand reasons why a train may be cancelled, and CountryLink seem to specialise in all of them, and then add a few unique reasons of their own.

The operational staff must sometimes be at their wits end, wondering what will happen next.

I await to see what the new NSW trains boss has to say in the coming months.....

  thefatcontroller Assistant Commissioner

Location: Sydney, Australia

Due to the tree falling down near Edgecombe:

11 March 2013


Western region - Due to a tree damaging the overhead wiring at Edgecombe between Mount Victoria and Lithgow the following alterations have been made to Western region XPT and XPLORER services.


CLK445 the 06:20 Sydney to Broken Hill Outback Explorer service has terminated at Mount Victoria. Road coaches will replace the XPLORER from Mount Victoria to Broken Hill with extensive delays (estimated to be 120 minutes) waiting for the replacement coaches.


CLK428 the 14:10 Dubbo to Sydney XPT has been replaced by a road coach service for the entire journey.

12 March 2013


Western region - Due to a tree damaging the overhead wiring at Edgecombe between Mount Victoria and Lithgow the following alteration have been made to Western region XPT and XPLORER services.



CLK446 the 07:45 Broken Hill to Sydney Outback Explorer service has been replaced by a road coach service for the entire journey.

Some pics from the CityRail website:









And also the CountryLink sales centre in Brisbane at Roma Street station is now Closed Crying or Very sad
  RatholeTunnel Locomotive Driver

Location: Sydney Area

On some routes (or parts of routes), bus travel is faster, eg Bathurst to Victoria, Canberra to Campbelltown (Direct), Maitland to Hornsby.

Maybe bus travel is more appropriate to increase reliability and reduce costs, in light of that the majority of passengers are on benefits or pensions and not paying market fares.

  a6et Minister for Railways




On some routes (or parts of routes), bus travel is faster, eg Bathurst to Victoria, Canberra to Campbelltown (Direct), Maitland to Hornsby.

Maybe bus travel is more appropriate to increase reliability and reduce costs, in light of that the majority of passengers are on benefits or pensions and not paying market fares.

"RatholeTunnel"

One thing about the propossal to replace Countrylink XPT & other rail services would do is help the airline industry no end. I had the misfortune on having my XPT service from Wyong to Casino, then bus to Surfers cancelled on the 1st March, notified at Wyong station at 1712 when I got there to book luggage through, & told it was cancelled, the station staff was told at 1650, & we got a text message from CL at 1735 advising us of its cancellation, 9 minutes before it was due at Wyong & 100minutes after it was due out of Sydney.

We then travelled on a bus the next morning, a joy of all kinds, water leaking through one of the overhead light/air conditioning units. Had 1/2 hour at Taree to grab something to eat & the last location we could stretch our legs until Casino, were not allowed off the bus at Coffs or any other stop after Kempsey (was on time leaving there) as we were then running late. Straight through to SOG, & the driver had to be directed by an XPT crew to not go over the bridge. Again not allowed off.

We arrived at Casino at 1915, at the due departure time & had to change buses to the QLD journey, the area was chaotic, with people from the north waiting for the buses for a return trip to Sydney, we got going at around 1945, & then it was real fun. The bus was the worst I had ever travelled in, & the seats worse than old 1st Gen diesels with the short back kidney crushers, rounded cup back rests that were too small for even some Asian tourists.

Told by the driver that the overhead rack was only suited for hats, & all luggage needed to be under the bus in the storage compartment. Advised we could not eat on the bus, well that was logical as there was nowhere to have obtained food since the stop at Taree way back at 1200. Also if you use the toilet everyone on board would know what you had done in there owing to the smells would be reticulated through the bus compartment, & the toilet did have seat belts so was dangerous to use.

The air conditioning was useless & when asked to turn it up, the driver said it was on full, & not capable of cooling the bus with the amount of passengers on board, & it was only half full. Thankfully the emergency exit hatch on the roof was not seated properly so it allowed the bus to cool down, although it also meant water spraying into the seats around that area as well.

Finally the nightmare, oops daymare was over at Surfers Transport terminal, which is now closed & has been for around 12 months or more for renovations, & no notices for anyone going further. The arrival time was 2040 NSW time.

We had a rail pass for first class travel, with the ticket price shown for Recoup of $580,00 for my wife & I. Who in their right mind would pay that much by rail? Thankfully the return trip was good, the seats in the XPT in car B seemed different to those on our last trip in 2011, much more leg room & the backrests tilted back further. The carriage was half full most of the way, & the sleeper carrriage was fully booked & the ist class buffet car also was near full. We arrived on time back at Wyong.

The thing is though, had we paid the full first class fare would we have gotten a refund of the price to travel by bus the same as so called economy passengers paid? For me, the whole forward journey was not economy, not the old 2nd class nor even 3rd class, but probably comparable to those who sit on the roofs in India.

What also got me was how long the bus driver was on duty, having driven from Sydney to Casino, & I would assume that he would have picked his bus up at the depot, then taken it to Central, & then through to Casino, one driver only, & only the one 30minute break at Taree (just) & only stops after that was to unload luggage. He must have known what was in story as he got a bag full of Coca Cola & food for himself at the Taree stop, but no one else on board knew about how long it was going to be before we could get some refreshments along the way.

While the return was much better owing to the much shorter time & the better seats on the bus from Surfers to Casino, I was still affected by the seating standards of the bus. However, it still gave me problems with back & leg pain. I am waiting for back surgery once again & this sort of travel on the buses does nothing for those in similar situations like myself. The bus trips are harsh on the potted rural roads these ones travel over, the choice to cancel the holiday meant I would have lost the 2 weeks accomadation paid for, as well as the pass entitlements, same would have applied to a fare as well.

The whole issue was a consequence of water over the line at Sandgate on the 1st March which culminated in all XPTS on that day being cancelled, with the Casino service having no alternate bus arrangememts. The Grafton XPT terminated at BMD & the set formed a City Rail service at 2000 back to Sydney. 2 XPT sets were stabled in Taree Yard for the W/E & one in Grafton.

Owing to a Track maintenance program that started at midnight that night for the W/E the XPT's were all replace by buses, as was the Northern Xployers. DID any Freight services operate over the line on the W/E?  How come in this day & age this sort of crap still goes on, especially when the CL services all 8 of them in a 24hr period would hardly affect any of the work, much less than any freight service anyway. Interesting that in the early 80's during the Hunter Valley track strengthening program from Waratah to MBK, that all freight & passenger services were able to operate over the single lines for several years, also it used to happen that Diesels pulled electrics through the times of O/head being turned off, we certainly have advanced a lot.

Having worked over the Sandgate area for around 10 years, this is the first time I have ever heard of water being over the line there & preventing trains from operating, what is the cause of this? sure there was a lot of rain but its not the first time nor the worst either, has the track work there that has taken the coal road deviations & associated work created this problem?

  RatholeTunnel Locomotive Driver

Location: Sydney Area

If I had hundreds to spen like the above poster, going from central coast area to SEQ, I would fly.

Yes, I can see what I'm proposing would help the airline industry. That's not a bad thing, as you seem to imply.

My home is from the govt. It's pretty awful, but govt assistance is meant to be basic only. The reason regional flights are expensive is due to low demand. Increased demand will reduce the cost.

Countrylink type Trains should operate with increased cost recovery from the passenger, with a Road Bus service drafted in for the free ride/welfare/minimum price travel.

Yes Ive been on a CLK bus it was hell on wheels. It's not meant to be luxury if its free or heavily subsidised.

As unlike most of the passengers I don't spend a fortune on booze, cigarettes & gambling, I get my flight in advance cheaply if its to a major centre. As the trip is very quick its cheaper not needing to blow money on junk food as its all u can get travelling CLK & I don't have a bus stunk out by ferals odors of smoking & fake meat McDonald's food.

  RatholeTunnel Locomotive Driver

Location: Sydney Area
When I said keep operating some CLK trains, I mean a reduced schedule where they don't go all the way into central during the day. I intend bus to carry majority of them.
  a6et Minister for Railways




If I had hundreds to spen like the above poster, going from central coast area to SEQ, I would fly.
Yes, I can see what I'm proposing would help the airline industry. That's not a bad thing, as you seem to imply.
My home is from the govt. It's pretty awful, but govt assistance is meant to be basic only. The reason regional flights are expensive is due to low demand. Increased demand will reduce the cost.

Countrylink type Trains should operate with increased cost recovery from the passenger, with a Road Bus service drafted in for the free ride/welfare/minimum price travel.
Yes Ive been on a CLK bus it was hell on wheels. It's not meant to be luxury if its free or heavily subsidised.

As unlike most of the passengers I don't spend a fortune on booze, cigarettes & gambling, I get my flight in advance cheaply if its to a major centre. As the trip is very quick its cheaper not needing to blow money on junk food as its all u can get travelling CLK & I don't have a bus stunk out by ferals odors of smoking & fake meat McDonald's food.

"RatholeTunnel"


You certainly are a joy in your posts, perhaps it would also help if you actually read what I said in regard to the ticket.

I also wonder how often you have travelled on the xpt as there is more than just pies & sausage rolls from the buffet. The issue with the bus is that they only stop at locations like the service centres which centre on junk food at all of them.

The other aspect is that I also have difficulty in flying, & its not always possible to get cheap tickets at the specifice travel time when you have a non changeable accomodation arrangement, just like I mentioned also.

If you check the cost to get to Sydney airport, add that to the ticket, & then cost to get to Surfers from the GC airport, its not that cheap either, if you do not get cheap air fares for two, especially at convenient times. Also if you want to get something to eat at the airports, they are not that cheap either, then off course add the time frame in getting to & from each of the airports as well.

The other aspect is that I actually like travelling by train.

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