Leppington to Glenfield?

 
  Blue-Train Train Controller

Yesterday I noticed in the vestibule area of a "R" set that the network map sticker included the Leppington line. It had two stations on it and connected to Glenfield. Checking the Cityrail website map has no mention of it. Any info on this line would be appreciated. I used the search here, but alas the threads went back to 2006 and did not shed much light...

Cheers.

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  drwaddles In need of a breath mint

Location: Newcastle
You been living under a rock?
  Blue-Train Train Controller

You been living under a rock?
"drwaddles"
Probably Embarassed . I was aware of the locals having a hoo hah about it. But when Cityrail puts it on the map in carriages it becomes a mystery. Then again it shows a proposed line from Epping to Parramatta. Laughing So has the new Leppington line been started yet? Im guessing the new Glenfield carpark is now warranted.
  Murasaki Chief Train Controller

Location: Going sideways... in carriage DET-9216 (>ω<)
I also have seen posters with the Leppinton extension drawn in the trains, and the PDF from the CityRial website. However, these maps have pretty much nixed the Epping~Carlingford connection by showing the Carlingford line as one straight up. (ò_ó*)

Well, I guess at least I can't complain about them drawing the North West Line on the maps, though I digress.
  ivahri Train Controller

Construction on the southern flyover which takes the new line over the main south has just started. Yes, there is real work taking place... as hard as it is to believe.

Cheers,

Richard
  jcouch Assistant Commissioner

Location: Asleep on a commuter train
There had been about 5 piling bases for the southern down flyover in place for a couple of months, and then no action there. Lots of action at Glenfield station itself - moved ticket office, removed shade structures etc. This morning, track work is back on with a vengence with new piling holes being dug.
  wurx Lithgovian Ambassador-at-Large

Location: The mystical lost principality of Daptovia
All apparent construction will be seen to be well underway as the election date draws near.... Laughing
  arctic Deputy Commissioner

Location: Zurich
Yesterday I noticed in the vestibule area of a "R" set that the network map sticker included the Leppington line. It had two stations on it and connected to Glenfield. Checking the Cityrail website map has no mention of it. Any info on this line would be appreciated. I used the search here, but alas the threads went back to 2006 and did not shed much light...

Cheers.
"Blue-Train"


Here you go: http://www.tca.nsw.gov.au/Our-Projects/Current-Projects/South-West-Rail-Link/default.aspx

I hope they don't construct the line to the same standards as the website....
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
The "official" Network Map includes the "South West Rail Link - Under Construction" graphic, which is similar to when the ECRL was being constructed. It's unusual that it's not on the CityRail website though!
  nadnerbster Deputy Commissioner

Location: Profundo en la Mierda
I'm amused that the freight loop points now lead directly to the pilings for the northern flyover . . . it just looks funny.

I've seen diagrams of what the new layout will look like at work. Problem is, these diagrams don't show the SSFL . . . but anyway. The flat junction at Glenfield will no longer exist. Glenfield will have 4 platforms with the ticket office and concourse being overhead. Platforms 1 and 4 will be the East Hills platforms, 2 and 3 the main south.
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
I'm amused that the freight loop points now lead directly to the pilings for the northern flyover . . . it just looks funny.

I've seen diagrams of what the new layout will look like at work. Problem is, these diagrams don't show the SSFL . . . but anyway. The flat junction at Glenfield will no longer exist. Glenfield will have 4 platforms with the ticket office and concourse being overhead. Platforms 1 and 4 will be the East Hills platforms, 2 and 3 the main south.
"nadnerbster"


Did you get to see enough of the diagram to know whether trains can still terminate at Glenfield, and if so how they can be returned (For example, can a South train terminate P2 and return via East Hills?


Blue Train,maybe you know this project better as the South West Rail Link, or SWRL.
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Trains coming from the East Hills line will not be able to terminate at Glenfield - they can only access platform 4. From there they can go to Leppington or Campbelltown.

Trains coming from Liverpool can cross to the up south main and terminate on platform 2. They can also access both Campbelltown and Leppington from platform 3.

Trains going in the up direction from either line can go to either liverpool or east hills as well.

I may post a diagram later.
"nadnerbster"


Thanks Nadnerbster. I had a Chatswood style arrangement in my head thats all  Smile
  nadnerbster Deputy Commissioner

Location: Profundo en la Mierda
This is a basic overview of what the diagram displays:

[bigimg]http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm143/nadnerb2k/leppo.jpg[/bigimg]

From this we can surmise:

Trains coming from the East Hills line will not be able to terminate at Glenfield - they can only access platform 4. From there they can go to Leppington or Campbelltown.

Trains coming from Liverpool can cross to the up south main and terminate on platform 2. They can also access both Campbelltown and Leppington from platform 3.

Trains going in the up direction from either line can go to either liverpool or east hills as well.

I had a Chatswood style arrangement in my head thats all
"seb"


Not far wrong really, at least as far as platform/junction arrangements go. Think of it as Chatswood with an extra line and without termination facilities. That is, assuming the diagrams that have been distributed so far are accurate and don't change.
  michinyon Chief Commissioner

The up line from Leppington seems a bit strange going over the Campbelltown line when it could join it on the level,   except I guess thats where the freight line goes.    

All those flyovers going to take a lot of room.  Maybe they should have designed a two-level station.  Like Town Hall but above ground.
  jcouch Assistant Commissioner

Location: Asleep on a commuter train
Page 4 here has the original assessment diagram with the SSFL included.

http://majorprojects.planning.nsw.gov.au/files/12362/04%20Preliminary%20Assessment%20Part%202.pdf/img
  TE2815 Minister for Railways

Location: Mission control Minto or Thirlmere
This is a basic overview of what the diagram displays:

[bigimg]http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm143/nadnerb2k/leppo.jpg[/bigimg]

From this we can surmise:

Trains coming from the East Hills line will not be able to terminate at Glenfield - they can only access platform 4. From there they can go to Leppington or Campbelltown.
"nadnerbster"
To me it looks like trains could shunt over the South Flyover to return to Platform 1 for an Up East Hills service too.

Just going off that diagram and signalling arrangements permitting it is possible.
  nadnerbster Deputy Commissioner

Location: Profundo en la Mierda
This is a basic overview of what the diagram displays:

[bigimg]http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm143/nadnerb2k/leppo.jpg[/bigimg]

From this we can surmise:

Trains coming from the East Hills line will not be able to terminate at Glenfield - they can only access platform 4. From there they can go to Leppington or Campbelltown.
"nadnerbster"
To me it looks like trains could shunt over the South Flyover to return to Platform 1 for an Up East Hills service too.

Just going off that diagram and signalling arrangements permitting it is possible.
"TE2815"


There's no crossover from the down to the up for the move. I only "joined" the two lines there to indicate they share the same bridge.

That said - the diagram on the original proposal (fixing the link posted earlier: http://majorprojects.planning.nsw.gov.au/files/12362/04%20Preliminary%20Assessment%20Part%202.pdf does show some extra crossovers which would allow some limited turnback moves (mainly with shunts). Either this has changed, or the diagram posted on staff noticeboards is inaccurate (seeing as it doesn't include the SSFL, I'm inclined to believe the latter).
  jedimasterc Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
this isn't taking into account the swfl is it.
  Blue-Train Train Controller

Wow a new line with just two stations. Wonder if it will run a yo-yo service? Any plans in the pipeline to extend past Leppington? It seems the government is really pushing to get people to move into areas ripe for big housing developments. Schofields is another example..
Late Edit: They mentioned Oran Park!
  jcouch Assistant Commissioner

Location: Asleep on a commuter train
It supposed to run east-hills services, hence the layout of the flyovers.

As for Oran Park, it's too far away to attract people to Leppington station. Campbelltown is still much closer and all the bus services head there. They really need to keep going and have it run down Camden Valley Way to pick up all those new suburbs that are going in, or already established. THe other alternative is to add another station or two on and keep pushing west out until it hits Bringelly or Luddenham out on the Northern Rd. Once the area around Camden Valley Way is filled, that's the next logical spot to fill up with houses.
  Blue-Train Train Controller

It supposed to run east-hills services, hence the layout of the flyovers.

As for Oran Park, it's too far away to attract people to Leppington station. Campbelltown is still much closer and all the bus services head there. They really need to keep going and have it run down Camden Valley Way to pick up all those new suburbs that are going in, or already established. THe other alternative is to add another station or two on and keep pushing west out until it hits Bringelly or Luddenham out on the Northern Rd. Once the area around Camden Valley Way is filled, that's the next logical spot to fill up with houses.
"jcouch"
Yep! Definately agree on Bringelly and Luddenham. Now im starting to think the state government is planning for the future. Its a far cry from previous governments over the last 25 years. Badgerys Creek airport anyone?
  42101 Banned

Location: Banned
If they had any brains they would push the line through to meet up with the western line.
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Yes, the line extends for another 500m where the stabling yard will be "with view to extend services should demand require so" according to TCA documents.
  Crazy-D Chief Train Controller

As for Oran Park, it's too far away to attract people to Leppington station. Campbelltown is still much closer and all the bus services head there. They really need to keep going and have it run down Camden Valley Way to pick up all those new suburbs that are going in, or already established.
"jcouch"

I'd like to see a high frequency busway (T-Way) built between Leppington and Campbelltown running via Camden Valley Way and Narellan Road to provide a decent form of transport to connect to the railways. With that, there should be buses running to the various centres along the way and down around Camden. Can't see it happening though.

If they had any brains they would push the line through to meet up with the western line.
"42101"

Why? Are there even many growth areas which are set to happen along a route out there? - I'm talking further out at like Luddenham etc (if that's an area you meant for it to run through)
  am134 Locomotive Fireman

Looking back at the environmental assessment for Part 1 of the project, it lists 4 trains offpeak to City via East Hills (doesn't say via Airport or via Sydenham but I suppose without the Sydenham sextripulication it would be very hard)

So from what I gather

8 peak to the City via East Hills (at opening, a bit of an overkill isn't it?), from that I suppose another 8 from Campbelltown, but then how do you split the Sydenham services? There are currently 4tph on the peak, not sure if there are any more spare slots via Sydenham, so does it mean that there wouldn't be any Sydenham services from Leppington at all? I highly doubt that they would split peak Sydenham services 2/2 as 2 an hour is a pathetic frequency.

Also what I don't understand is, if they're refusing to even provide more than 2 trains per hour in the offpeak now, why are they planning to provide 8tph in the offpeak via East Hills in 2016?

From what I've read, each platform will have their dedicated service, e.g. Platform 1 - east hills plaform 2 - liverpool platform 3 - leppington platform 4 - macarthur/southern highlands to enable cross plaform transfers.

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