New trams to be built mostly in Melbourne

 
  Tribitaka Station Master

Any updates?

Has the first one running under its own power made it any further?

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  712M Chief Commissioner

At least one was still in the test track at Bombardier's earlier this week. Had to see these days from the Cranbourne train as I usually pass when it's still dark.
  scrat Assistant Commissioner

Location: Fitzroy North
No change really, one should still be at Preston Workshops by the end of July.

Liam.
  Polar Tiger Chief Commissioner

Location: FL390
The first E class tram is reportedly due to be delivered to Preston Workshops early tomorrow morning.
  scrat Assistant Commissioner

Location: Fitzroy North
The first E class arrived at Preston Workshops about 2am this morning.

Liam.
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
I went to the workshops today but didn't see them.
  Tribitaka Station Master

Any information on when testing will be conducted and on when it will begin revenue services?
  scrat Assistant Commissioner

Location: Fitzroy North
It's in the sheds, and will probably not leave the workshop for another month or so. And even then only for night testing. I'm under the assumption that they enter regular service (they being the first five) very late this year or early next year.

Here are some photos I took:

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The convoy arriving just before 2am.


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A couple of shots of the truck waiting in the slip lane, preparing to reverse into the roll on/off dock.


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Reversing into the loading dock.


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The slow careful process of aligning the rails on the trailer with the rails of the roll on/off dock.


Liam.
  Tribitaka Station Master

Nice photos! Thank you heaps!

Will these trams receive the green PT tram livery or the stock standard Yarra Trams one?
  Gwiwer Rt Hon Gentleman and Ghost of Oliver Bulleid

Location: Loitering in darkest Somewhere
I'm guessing that as they will be owned by the State of Victoria, as is all of YT's fleet, who also own PT> that these might be the first to appear from new in the PT> livery style.  If the Citadis launch was anything to go by the vinyls won't be added until the day before the public launch.  

For now they'll be delivered to Preston, gone over with a tooth comb, weighed and measured then put through static testing.  After that expect a limited amount of driver (i.e. depot trainer) familiarisation on the works test track.  Only then - probably a few months from now - will they be released to traffic and drivers trained on the road.  

Whether or not there's a full public launch we'll have to wait and see.
  ogigacz Junior Train Controller

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Here is 6001 in the new PTV livery.

http://www.yarratrams.com.au/media-centre/news/articles/2013/melbourne's-next-generation-tram-arrives/
  Boss Chief Commissioner

Location: Caulfield Line
Here is 6001 in the new PTV livery.

http://www.yarratrams.com.au/media-centre/news/articles/2013/melbourne's-next-generation-tram-arrives/
ogigacz
Looks Good
  jdekorte Deputy Commissioner

Location: Near Caulfield Station
Here is 6001 in the new PTV livery.

http://www.yarratrams.com.au/media-centre/news/articles/2013/melbourne's-next-generation-tram-arrives/
ogigacz
It does look good!

A bit off-topic, but I think that new PT> livery is going to look good across the whole fleet!

Here's one they did earlier - Z3.229 - http://www.vicsig.net/photo/16491

Nice to see that E.6001 is finally on the tram network proper and is about to undergo real testing on Melbourne's dubious tracks.
  Revenue Chief Commissioner

The new livery looks great.  Smile  I went on a variation of this type of tram in Porto and they really are great.  Smile
  jdekorte Deputy Commissioner

Location: Near Caulfield Station
I'm guessing that as they will be owned by the State of Victoria, as is all of YT's fleet, who also own PT> that these might be the first to appear from new in the PT> livery style.  If the Citadis launch was anything to go by the vinyls won't be added until the day before the public launch.
Gwiwer
I'm looking forward to seeing more of those trams, and other trams around town - resplendent in the new tram PT> livery.

Very off topic, apparently the whole bus fleet is going to be redone in their own PT> livery as well, to join suburban trains and trams: http://www.busaustralia.com/forum/download/file.php?id=70104&sid=3f1400052be1bfb74afc530a43bd6fd4

One wonders if V/Line will be getting a purple version.

Anyway, back to trams!
  Tribitaka Station Master

I hope they do! The new unanimous liveries all look amazing! The buses are worst ATM, it'd be like a rainbow if every different type lined up together!

Yes, anyway, it looks amazing!
It's a darn beast!

How long did this one take to be built? (because I know they built a mock up, and had some design issues before beginning.)
Will the production begin to ramp up or will there only be a few more this year?
  MelbourneCity Chief Commissioner



Whether or not there's a full public launch we'll have to wait and see.
"Gwiwer"


We will almost certainly see Napthine & Mulder on board the first revenue service. The government is out to prove it cares about PT.
  Revenue Chief Commissioner

My understanding from the press releases is that the new trams have to do more than four thousand kilometers on the network in test before revenue service - so you can expect to see them out and about on the network quite a bit over the next few months (including driver training, etc.).  I think the plan is revenue service from October, with up to five trams in service by the end of the financial year - with all 50 in service by 2018. The information is all online in various press releases and statements.  While the first tram was delayed seven months, my understanding is that they will deliver the rest of the trams faster (eg. while the date of introduction for the first tram has slipped, the last tram will be delivered on time).  It will be interesting to see whether additional E class trams are ordered.

I haven't seen the Melbourne one yet, but as I mentioned above, I've been on the same vehicle type in Porto which is just amazing - which operates coupled (which forms a VERY large tram).  One of the reasons I went to Porto is that I wanted to see the seven section tram in service that visited Melbourne about a decade ago (when they were trying to sell it to us).  When you see the seven section tram and this design of tram next to each other you quickly work out how much better the three section design is (which is about the same length as the seven section).

Worth a look if you are interested:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porto_Metro

It really shows how you can combine street running with a 'metro' style feel. Quite similar to 96 in many ways (mixture of street running and reserved track).
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
We will almost certainly see Napthine & Mulder on board the first revenue service. The government is out to prove it cares about PT.
MelbourneCity

Pretending to care while committing $9 billion to a toll-way.
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
My understanding from the press releases is that the new trams have to do more than four thousand kilometers on the network in test before revenue service - so you can expect to see them out and about on the network quite a bit over the next few months (including driver training, etc.).  I think the plan is revenue service from October, with up to five trams in service by the end of the financial year - with all 50 in service by 2018. The information is all online in various press releases and statements.  While the first tram was delayed seven months, my understanding is that they will deliver the rest of the trams faster (eg. while the date of introduction for the first tram has slipped, the last tram will be delivered on time).  It will be interesting to see whether additional E class trams are ordered.
Revenue
I saw the first one today at the Preston workshops, the warning bell is the same as the Citadis, also, the tram is very quiet. I did hear a slight high pitched squeal during the powered run, it's like hearing a mouse in a church.
I haven't seen the Melbourne one yet, but as I mentioned above, I've been on the same vehicle type in Porto which is just amazing - which operates coupled (which forms a VERY large tram). One of the reasons I went to Porto is that I wanted to see the seven section tram in service that visited Melbourne about a decade ago (when they were trying to sell it to us). When you see the seven section tram and this design of tram next to each other you quickly work out how much better the three section design is (which is about the same length as the seven section). Worth a look if you are interested: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porto_Metro It really shows how you can combine street running with a 'metro' style feel. Quite similar to 96 in many ways (mixture of street running and reserved track).
Revenue
The Porto model is only 70% low floor, the internal platforms (over the bogies) only having step access. The seven section tram you mention is the Eurotram, with fixed bogies and short body sections. The ratio of floating the axled sections on the Eurotram differs from other fixed bogie tram in that the floating sections are longer (as far as I can see) and even the outer axled section aren't substantially longer than the bogies.

http://villamosok.hu/nza/beng-kulf/index_en.html has more information on the two rooms and a Bath construction.

The Flexity Melbourne also has internal platforms but these have ramp access and thus is 95% low floor. Though, I noticed that the four bogies on this new tram are not evenly spaced, the centre bogies are both under the centre section rather than the articulations, placing them under the articulations would eliminate four of the plinths and even out bogie spacing.
  Gwiwer Rt Hon Gentleman and Ghost of Oliver Bulleid

Location: Loitering in darkest Somewhere
An interesting aside, since it has been brought up, is that the borrowed Porto "Eurotram" (the 7-module one which ran in service on the Grand Prix and a few MCG event shuttles in 2003) was referred to as the "E-class" by some staff at the time based upon it then being both the next unused letter in the series and appropriate for "Eurotram".

The sales pitch was unsuccessful but the tram wasn't; it turned heads and attracted some very favourable comment.  The length made it feel strange taking it around corners as the whole thing seemed to become liquid and flow around the curves!
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
The Eurotram is an industry standard LRV, except for Milan, none of the Eurotram clients were continuing with the use of existing tracks nor reusing parts of them. Nor does it have system wide technical compliance with our tramway network, when it ran here it was subject to restrictions because could not negotiate tighter curves than the standard LRT minimum.
  Port109 Station Staff

With no doors right at the front or back, I presume this is because the platform stops are not long enough?

I have learned not to make any assumptions, but this one works for me Smile
  scrat Assistant Commissioner

Location: Fitzroy North
With no doors right at the front or back, I presume this is because the platform stops are not long enough?

I have learned not to make any assumptions, but this one works for me Smile
Port109

Bogie positions would also have something to do with it, if you look at the pictures of it on the truck trailer everywhere there is a chain tying it down there is a bogie, and doors cannot be where the bogies are. However, the reason you state is also part of it, they can now fit on older, shorter platform stops.

Liam.
  Gwiwer Rt Hon Gentleman and Ghost of Oliver Bulleid

Location: Loitering in darkest Somewhere
The Eurotram is an industry standard LRV, except for Milan, none of the Eurotram clients were continuing with the use of existing tracks nor reusing parts of them. Nor does it have system wide technical compliance with our tramway network, when it ran here it was subject to restrictions because could not negotiate tighter curves than the standard LRT minimum.
Myrtone
It was permitted to turn from Spencer Street into Flinders Street on a "substandard" radius curve but only under strictly controlled conditions with ground staff observing the compression and extension of components between the modules and at less than walking pace.  The only reason it was allowed to make that turn was to get it onto MCG event shuttles using Simpson Street siding as a turnback. It was not permitted to make any other right-angle street-corner turns due to the radius of our older track and its greater width posing a slight risk of striking an adjacent vehicle on the opposite track.

As such the exact design could not have been used in Melbourne.  Just as with the Citadis trams a special "Melbourne-only" version would have had to be designed and built which I understand was considered too costly despite offers being made to have them built or assembled locally at Dandenong or Ballarat.

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