New trams to be built mostly in Melbourne

 
  alstom_888m Chief Commissioner

Location:
Clay Lucas
September 27, 2010 - 1:46PM
Fifty new low-floor trams for Melbourne will be largely built in Dandenong, Public Transport Minister Martin Pakula said this afternoon.

The $1 billion contract to built the trams has been given to Bombardier, a Canadian owned firm that has promised to build 51 per cent of the trams completely in Melbourne.

The decision to weight the trams' manufacture locally follows the awarding of a $380 million contract for 18 new trains in 2007 to French firm Alstom, which is making them completely in Europe.

A subsequent order for 20 more trains will see them partly assembled in Victoria.

That decision provoked such a backlash from the manufacturing industry in Victoria that the government has this time awarded the contract to the firm that promised to manufacture most of the new trams in Australia.

Mr Pakula said construction of the 50 new trams would create more than 500 jobs in and around Dandenong.

"This is great news for jobs, and it's great news for the Victorian manufacturing industry," Mr Pakula said.

The contract will include the manufacture of the body shell as well as the assembly of the trams in Dandenong.

Each of the low-floor trams will be able to carry 210 passengers and will be 33 metres long.
"The Age, 27/09/2010"


Guess that means we'll be stuck with those yellow disasters seen in Adelaide.

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  Revenue Chief Commissioner

Different design I would have thought - Adelaide doesn't have 100% low floor trams. Pretty sure Melbourne will.
  tranzitjim Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
*** WAIT TIL MEDIA WORKS THIS OUT - WOW MIKI YET AGAIN *****

Now, I have done the following calculations in my calculator

1b / 50 trams = $20m each tram

380m / 18 6-car-trains = $21.11111111 m per 6 car train

For one tram, we are paying the same as the price for whole 6 car train.

One single V/locity DMU, built at the same plant costs between $3M and $4M each.

One whole 3 car V/locity is quoted at $15M each, that is for a whole 3 car train, AND built at the same factory.

Most other cities would only pay $3M, or perhaps $5M per tram.

Why are we paying $20m for one single tram?

Revenue, could you please tell us will Bombardier be getting $20 per tram? or is a large slice going into other things, such as maintenance for the trams over say 30 years?
  SteamtoStay Chief Commissioner

Location: Building floorplates
tranzitjim - at least half of that one billion dollars is going into extra stabling facilities. That's the reason we're only getting 50 new trams, rather than the full 100 originally promised.
  tranzitjim Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
Different design I would have thought - Adelaide doesn't have 100% low floor trams. Pretty sure Melbourne will.
"Revenue"


It really does look like it is a flexity classic, like what Adelaide has of which are only 70% low floor.

There are no doors near the front of this tram. If you look how far back the first door is located, it is behind the first bogie, and each section is way too long to be a Flexity outlook. Only the Flexity-Outlook are 100% low floor.

On a side note, Adelaides Citidis trams are 100% low floor.

In my mind, the Flexity-Classic should be a great idea for routes like Vermont South and Bundoora, should you choose to run them express to Warragul road or Boulderwood pde respectively.

Otheriwse, they could only be operable where you have 100% all platform stops such as route #96.
  tranzitjim Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
tranzitjim - at least half of that one billion dollars is going into extra stabling facilities. That's the reason we're only getting 50 new trams, rather than the full 100 originally promised.
"SteamtoStay"


Thanks for that SteamtoStay.

How much of that would be solely for the trams, and how much is for the Preston depot project?
  Revenue Chief Commissioner

I'm not involved in this area of DOT but my understanding is that this includes the trams, maintenance, a new depot, etc...  People often forget that it is the maintenance and operations that costs more. Myki is a good example - the billion dollar figure thrown around includes more than a decade of operations as well. You always need to look at the long term costs of these procurements.
  msilsby Deputy Commissioner

Location: Canberra
They will be based on the flexity 2 that is currently in serv