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      42101 Banned

    Location: Banned
    Sell 'em to PN, bring 'em up here for coal work please.
    "Raichase"

    PN already have 7 why would they want 4 more ?
    "Nightfire"


    Psst. I was having a joke! It seems quite common for Victorians to complain (usually good naturedly) that we have "stolen" "their" C Class for work on our dirty coal trains.
    "Raichase"


    And our G's and other companies stole some of our S' and B's

    PN and other companies have taken quite alot of our stuff north.
    "speedemon08"


    I would even say that MOST of your ex VR diesels have left your state probably around 70% of them actualy.
    Posted: 01 Oct 2010 21:28

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      speedemon08 Mary

    Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
    Sell 'em to PN, bring 'em up here for coal work please.
    "Raichase"

    PN already have 7 why would they want 4 more ?
    "Nightfire"


    Psst. I was having a joke! It seems quite common for Victorians to complain (usually good naturedly) that we have "stolen" "their" C Class for work on our dirty coal trains.
    "Raichase"


    And our G's and other companies stole some of our S' and B's

    PN and other companies have taken quite alot of our stuff north.
    "speedemon08"


    I would even say that MOST of your ex VR diesels have left your state probably around 70% of them actualy.
    "42101"


    I'd say about 50% probably. 90% of the over 3000 hp has disappeared though
    Posted: 01 Oct 2010 21:40
      42101 Banned

    Location: Banned
    Sell 'em to PN, bring 'em up here for coal work please.
    "Raichase"

    PN already have 7 why would they want 4 more ?
    "Nightfire"


    Psst. I was having a joke! It seems quite common for Victorians to complain (usually good naturedly) that we have "stolen" "their" C Class for work on our dirty coal trains.
    "Raichase"


    And our G's and other companies stole some of our S' and B's

    PN and other companies have taken quite alot of our stuff north.
    "speedemon08"


    I would even say that MOST of your ex VR diesels have left your state probably around 70% of them actualy.
    "42101"


    I'd say about 50% probably. 90% of the over 3000 hp has disappeared though
    "speedemon08"


    Yeah pretty average isnt it..still at least they still be working so thats a plus i suppose.
    Posted: 01 Oct 2010 21:45
      Nightfire Minister for Railways

    Location: Gippsland
    Victorian's should stop morning the loss of 21 plus old loco's to Newcastle Sydney Wollongong

    New modern loco's need to be built  Wink
    Posted: 01 Oct 2010 21:53
      AclassGunzel Deputy Commissioner

    One thing for sure is I'd like to see the two B's up there brought back and sprayed VR blue and gold like they should be!
    Posted: 01 Oct 2010 22:39
      fast01 BUTTSCRATCHER!

    Location: Somewhere your not.
    Sell 'em to PN, bring 'em up here for coal work please.
    "Raichase"

    PN already have 7 why would they want 4 more ?
    "Nightfire"


    Psst. I was having a joke! It seems quite common for Victorians to complain (usually good naturedly) that we have "stolen" "their" C Class for work on our dirty coal trains.
    "Raichase"
    Mate, i'd be the first of the ex Vic's to say bring em up here! However, i do believe there is an issue in regards to regauging an A, something to do with the steps being out of gauge, dunno how much of a big deal it is, but it must be a bit of a tough ask or otherwise they would have already been on the gauge I reckon.
    Posted: 01 Oct 2010 23:03
      speedemon08 Mary

    Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
    One thing for sure is I'd like to see the two B's up there brought back and sprayed VR blue and gold like they should be!
    "AclassGunzel"


    Nah, Leave B65 in its colours. It looks pretty
    Posted: 02 Oct 2010 10:43
      vlocity160 V/Gunzel

    Sell 'em to PN, bring 'em up here for coal work please.
    "Raichase"

    PN already have 7 why would they want 4 more ?
    "Nightfire"


    Psst. I was having a joke! It seems quite common for Victorians to complain (usually good naturedly) that we have "stolen" "their" C Class for work on our dirty coal trains.
    "Raichase"
    Mate, i'd be the first of the ex Vic's to say bring em up here! However, i do believe there is an issue in regards to regauging an A, something to do with the steps being out of gauge, dunno how much of a big deal it is, but it must be a bit of a tough ask or otherwise they would have already been on the gauge I reckon.
    "fast01"
    It was a loading gauge problem wasn't it when an A was put on Standard Gauge a few years back now when they took trips to Albury? Could be wrong though.  Wink
    Posted: 02 Oct 2010 10:47
      SN7 Chief Commissioner

    "A" Class locos also apparently do not meet NSW noise standards this would have to be overcome before any likely operation in NSW could occur.

    I also belive that the next likely delivery of the next 3VL (3VL44) (which commences testing this coming week, will now be deployed onto sprinter runs (Seymour, Bacchus Marsh & Traralgons etc) so to release unreliable sprinters for maintenance and provide additional capacity on existing overcrowded sprinter runs.

    The "A" class used on the 1528 South Geelong etc appears to be status quo for a while.
    Posted: 02 Oct 2010 13:54
      Nightfire Minister for Railways

    Location: Gippsland
    "A" Class locos also apparently do not meet NSW noise standards this would have to be overcome before any likely operation in NSW could occur.
    "SN7"

    And what the likes of the 44 class do ?
    The A class were effectively built In the 80's using 1950's frames and bodies
    Posted: 02 Oct 2010 14:50
      Fireman Dave Chief Commissioner

    Location: Shh, I'm hiding
    "A" Class locos also apparently do not meet NSW noise standards this would have to be overcome before any likely operation in NSW could occur.
    "SN7"

    And what the likes of the 44 class do ?
    The A class were effectively built In the 80's using 1950's frames and bodies
    "Nightfire"


    The point is that the A class have never been accredited in NSW, so are treated by the EPA as a new class and have to comply with current requirements. I'd suggest the N class would be in the same boat if they operated north of Albury.
    Posted: 02 Oct 2010 18:49
      SN7 Chief Commissioner

    "Dry" Storage of one V/Line "A" Class and 1 "P" class to occur this week I believe -  PN Loco A 73 has also been moved to the BG turntable. (re activated?)
    Posted: 13 Oct 2010 16:38
      SPSD40T2 Chief Commissioner

    Location: Platform 9-3/4 and still waiting !!
    How much work to get the Northern nod ? Those Helgas must have required some effort in that regard also ??

    would have thought 2-1/5 thou h.p locos ought to be rather attractive to the likes of Zorro or any other upstart.   PN are never going to let  EZ have theirs
    Posted: 13 Oct 2010 17:21
      BJM Locomotive Fireman

    As mentioned in another thread, I wonder what the 'logistics' of companies, such as El Zorro, would entail in regards to the short term hire the V/Line pass N and A class loco's when they are not required by V/Line pass, eg, on weekends or the middle of the night.

    The preserved diesels can still be hired for added horsepower, however, a double/triple A or N on the front of packed grain train would surely limit excessive highballing at places such as Warrenheip bank, as well as increasing overall grunt, pull power for entire journey.
    Posted: 13 Oct 2010 18:16
      SPSD40T2 Chief Commissioner

    Location: Platform 9-3/4 and still waiting !!
    If as rumoured PN do a bunk from Vic then someone is going to need some decent HP to move stuff. PN wont hand over any locos, were all pretty agreed on that. A's are a handy unit..  I cant see them dying a death any time soon.

    Heritage units will return to their gauardians and spot hired Id imagine only when operators get really desperate
    Posted: 13 Oct 2010 18:59
      AclassGunzel Deputy Commissioner

    I've noticed that only 2 A's are scheduled on daily and rotated every second day or so. Do we know which A is going into dry storage and where it is to be stored?
    Posted: 13 Oct 2010 21:18
      davesvline Chief Commissioner

    Location: 1983-1998
    Well if operationally there's nothing wrong with PN's As, I wonder why they're not used more in Victoria, like the Long Island steel train etc, and the subsequent spare BL / G / X / XR or whichever - gets sent north on coal trains??

    As for the pass As, with more Vlos arriving and future electrifications not far off, one would have to think their days are numbered??

    Regards
    Posted: 13 Oct 2010 21:47
      speedemon08 Mary

    Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
    Well if operationally there's nothing wrong with PN's As, I wonder why they're not used more in Victoria, like the Long Island steel train etc, and the subsequent spare BL / G / X / XR or whichever - gets sent north on coal trains??

    As for the pass As, with more Vlos arriving and future electrifications not far off, one would have to think their days are numbered??

    Regards
    "davesvline"


    If so, A60 should go to ARHS Vic. Rest can go to El Zorro or do something else
    Posted: 13 Oct 2010 21:50
      Galron Chief Commissioner

    Location: Werribee, Vic
    "Dry" Storage of one V/Line "A" Class and 1 "P" class to occur this week I believe -  PN Loco A 73 has also been moved to the BG turntable. (re activated?)
    "SN7"


    would have thought elz would have put have had their hands up to lease that A. perhaps vline isent in the leasing game yet
    Posted: 13 Oct 2010 21:56
      davesvline Chief Commissioner

    Location: 1983-1998
    One would also imagine that leasing them is a good money making exercise for V/Line in the short term. They especially will find themselves looking at spare motive power, rather than looking for it  Laughing

    As for preserving one in the ARHS museum, I doubt that would happen. No X class in there, no C, why an A?? Specifically, the road number on an A class is totally meaningless from a preservation point of view. Its nolonger a B, and pardon the punn - it never will "B" again either.
    Having one go to SRHC would be an idea. However that might be unlikely too. Suggest that partition starts now.

    Regards
    Posted: 13 Oct 2010 22:18
      574M White Guru

    Location: Shepparton
    Partition?

    Which drive?
    Posted: 13 Oct 2010 22:37
      vlocity160 V/Gunzel

    Partition?

    Which drive?
    "574M"
    Partition 1 of disk 0. Once you have entered this, format fs=ntfs quick  Laughing
    Posted: 13 Oct 2010 23:23
      AclassGunzel Deputy Commissioner

    Would be nice to see A60 and A62 preserved and kept operational, even resprayed tangerine as delivered. Writing off A60 or even A62 as non significant and 'just another loco' is to look past their legacy of originally being Victoria's first mainline loco and the first Loco to reach 1,000,000 miles in the state respectively. Although production ended after 11 units due to being uneconomical they were a feat of engineering at the time. I would be very surprised if they are not preserved, but thats a while off I would imagine.
    Posted: 14 Oct 2010 11:37
      skitz Chief Commissioner

    Would be nice to see A60 and A62 preserved and kept operational, even resprayed tangerine as delivered. Writing off A60 or even A62 as non significant and 'just another loco' is to look past their legacy of originally being Victoria's first mainline loco and the first Loco to reach 1,000,000 miles in the state respectively. Although production ended after 11 units due to being uneconomical they were a feat of engineering at the time. I would be very surprised if they are not preserved, but thats a while off I would imagine.
    "AclassGunzel"


    Agreed 100%
    Posted: 14 Oct 2010 11:54
      SPSD40T2 Chief Commissioner

    Location: Platform 9-3/4 and still waiting !!
    You'd have to think A60 would always warrant a spot in a museum .. one day! But , and it's totally a lay appreciation of this, would there not still be 1000's of hours leftin those engines?  Frames might give out in what 5-10 depending on workload. ? Possibly managable ?

    With the expected massive growth in rail freight over next 10 years why would you get rid of 2500 hp plodders ?
    Posted: 14 Oct 2010 14:06

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