V Set Replacement

 
  G20 Station Master

I was reading the recently released 'Central Coast Regional Transport Strategy 2030' which can be downloaded from http://www.131500.com.au  and while most of it was just re-statements of previously announced projects, it contained a couple of references (p29 and p47) to a replacement for the V sets (separate from the Oscars) being delivered between 2015 and 2020.  I'm sure someone will correct me, but I think this is the first official publication to make a direct reference to a V set replacement.

I'd imagine if they want trains being delivered from 2015, they'd have to be getting close to releasing a pre-tender request for expressions of interest, or conducting an industry briefing, which may shed some light on what sort of trains are proposed (eg, a proper intercity train, or just a narrower, longer Oscar?).

Anyone heard anything more than rumors as to where this project's at?

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  42101 Banned

Location: Banned
I was reading the recently released 'Central Coast Regional Transport Strategy 2030' which can be downloaded from http://www.131500.com.au  and while most of it was just re-statements of previously announced projects, it contained a couple of references (p29 and p47) to a replacement for the V sets (separate from the Oscars) being delivered between 2015 and 2020.  I'm sure someone will correct me, but I think this is the first official publication to make a direct reference to a V set replacement.

I'd imagine if they want trains being delivered from 2015, they'd have to be getting close to releasing a pre-tender request for expressions of interest, or conducting an industry briefing, which may shed some light on what sort of trains are proposed (eg, a proper intercity train, or just a narrower, longer Oscar?).

Anyone heard anything more than rumors as to where this project's at?
"G20"


Election pork barelling is what it seems to be as the central coast is marginal area i believe.
  TheLoadedDog The Ghost of George Stephenson

Build more V sets.
  borosa Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Search is definitely not my friend here but I recall a thread some time ago with someone taking ideas for the V-set replacement project which was titled F111... Is it just me that remembers this?
  Trainrule2345 Banned

Location: Banned
There was a picture on ATDB that shows a ful size oscar (3x2) at newcastle station. That could mean something if im not mistaken
  johnboy Chief Commissioner

Location: Up the road from Gulgong
Build more V sets.
"TheLoadedDog™™"

I totally agree, especially yesterday I got off my nice V set ....and on to a oscar... yuk!

When I mentioned this on another thread I was told I was old fashion and V sets are old technolgy... well put new design motors and electronics but leave the rest of the specs (that is seats, windows, silence, comfort) as they are.

There was a picture on ATDB that shows a ful size oscar (3x2) at newcastle station. That could mean something if im not mistaken

Mean what? You won't see one parked it Katoomba....unless it is trucked in!
  Trainrule2345 Banned

Location: Banned
it was a case of people had doubts of the g sets doing that run, says wiki, they did, and apparently people had doubts about it by OSCars. they did it, and apparently, cityrail have ordered 2x2 OSCars for that run.
  bowralcommuter Chief Commissioner

Location: Asleep on a Manly Ferry
I agree, if commuters like the V-sets then why trash them??? If the government is eager to bring in some Oscars then the suburban network will be happy to take them for sure, to replace some of the aging silver sets. (L,R and S sets?? I'm not entirely sure)
  Trainrule2345 Banned

Location: Banned
I agree, if commuters like the V-sets then why trash them??? If the government is eager to bring in some Oscars then the suburban network will be happy to take them for sure, to replace some of the aging silver sets. (L,R and S sets?? I'm not entirely sure)
"bowralcommuter"


thats what the A Sets are for!!
  bowralcommuter Chief Commissioner

Location: Asleep on a Manly Ferry
thats what the A Sets are for!!


Firstly, we might not even get the A-sets till 2012/13, depends on the eagerness and competencies of the governement. Secondly, the A-sets could start to replace a few of the C and K sets too perhaps? Otherwise the more sets available in the suburban network the better!
  Trainrule2345 Banned

Location: Banned
good point.
  Veyron407 Junior Train Controller

Wikipedia claims that RailCorp will begin phasing the V Sets out by 2021, but does not mention what the replacement train will be.

Whether this is true or not (it is Wikipedia after all), I don't know.
  bowralcommuter Chief Commissioner

Location: Asleep on a Manly Ferry
2021? Shocked  Hope the motors e.t.c can last that long!!! If wiki is true of course
  kingmartyn Locomotive Fireman

Location: Hornsby NSW
Search is definitely not my friend here but I recall a thread some time ago with someone taking ideas for the V-set replacement project which was titled F111... Is it just me that remembers this?
"borosa"


That would probably be my thread you were thinking of.

That thread was more me dreaming up ways in which to maintain the great features of the V that we love, but incorporate modern technologies into the same kind of package.

Link here: http://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11351941-0-asc-s0.htm

If the Moderators have no objections, I am more than happy for the conversation to continue on the other thread (revival from late '09) and I will scan in some sketches and designs that I have so far for critique and improvement, and if any other people have some ideas also feel free to share.
  NeweSteamFan Junior Train Controller

I've heard rumors that the new batch of Oscars may have the number ordered increased and they will use them to start replacing V sets on the North to Newcastle and Illarwarra and only use the V sets out west until something can be done about the narrow clearance.

I'd hate to see those rumors to be true the V sets are a great unit and alot more comfortable and quiet compared to the Oscar.
Oscars are fine for the outer suburban working but the the interurban/intercity working those seats are to hard and not enough leg room.
  Inspector Chief Commissioner

Location: Gone to - I don't know..............
it was a case of people had doubts of the g sets doing that run, says wiki, they did, and apparently people had doubts about it by OSCars. they did it, and apparently, cityrail have ordered 2x2 OSCars for that run.
"Trainrule2345"


That's the first I've heard of that......

.....if commuters like the V-sets then why trash them??? If the government is eager to bring in some Oscars then the suburban network will be happy to take them for sure, to replace some of the aging silver sets. (L,R and S sets?? I'm not entirely sure)
"bowralcommuter"


thats what the A sets are for!!
"Trainrule2345"


Yes, the A sets are intended to replace the L, R & S sets. The Oscars, on the other hand are primarily intended for outer-suburban runs (e.g; Gosford, Wyong, Springwood, Wollongong, Port Kembla, etc. (I myself feel that Kiama is a bit too far for the H sets - but then, where to get extra V's?)). Here on the Short North, I suspect that some in RailCorp would like to run Oscars all the way to Newcastle, as the el-cheapo V set replacement option. However, that would be to fly in the face of political reality - when one considers the distances involved, it is highly unlikely that passengers would (or should) consider normal and acceptable a 100-160km journey in what is - essentially - a glorified suburban train.

bowralcommuter's signature, I note, says "...unsatisfied with CityRail and RailCorp...". If Oscars replacing V sets comes to pass, he won't be the only one!
  kmb3asv3 Junior Train Controller

Location: Sydney, NSW
What about build a batch of OSCARs with comfy 2+2 vinyl seats? That is gonna work right?
  johnboy Chief Commissioner

Location: Up the road from Gulgong
What about build a batch of OSCARs with comfy 2+2 vinyl seats? That is gonna work right?
"kmb3asv3"

And those west of Springwood can catch a bus?!
  vdan Train Controller

I'd hate to see those rumors to be true the V sets are a great unit and alot more comfortable and quiet compared to the Oscar.
Oscars are fine for the outer suburban working but the the interurban/intercity working those seats are to hard and not enough leg room.
"NeweSteamFan"
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I have noticed when I read positive news stories in the local newspaper or CityRail publications about the introduction of more Oscars, they don't spruik comfort - instead it's things like "CCTV" and "information displays" and "graffiti-resistant seats".
  borosa Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
...when I read positive news stories...about the introduction of more Oscars, they don't spruik comfort - instead it's things like..."graffiti-resistant seats".
"vdan"


Vdan, you hit the nail on the head with this one...Why else do you think the Oscar seats are so damn uncomfortable!
My asre refuses to talk to me just from travelling on the afternoon Springwood service between Wynyard and Emu Plains...which is technically still a suburban run! I generally prefer to jump off at Central and change for a V. Even the S-set seats are more comfortable!

The seats on the G-sets are nice if only for more leg room! I've always said that you need to remove your legs at the thigh before riding on a G-set.
  Inspector Chief Commissioner

Location: Gone to - I don't know..............
What about build a batch of OSCARs with comfy 2+2 vinyl seats? That is gonna work right?
"kmb3asv3"


In a word - no.
  alltrainzfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Here
I can't see the Blue Mountains Line getting widened any time soon - the cheaper option would be to just order new rollingstock.

Sadly, I think we'll just get narrower OSCARs to replace Vs. These days it's more style rather than comfort.
  Johnny_Walton Railcorp Crash Test Dummy No.1

Location: Flemington Maintenance Centre
I have it on good authority that a narrow body EMU train is on the Railcorp
wishlist with specs being written,
BUT no annoucement or cash until after the next state election.
The present goverment will flog the A-sets and H31-50 before any more trains are discussed or announced.
Older type cam cars and some poorly re-built later cars (Ex accident damage) are being mooted for withdrawal as the new H-sets enter service, 2-car sets and DCM's in particular.
Although, for what it's worth, I believe that all 4 2-car V's should replace the K 2-car sets on the north!

So lets wait and see what transpires.   Rolling Eyes

Jono.
  Ben_Daui Deputy Commissioner


Although, for what it's worth, I believe that all 4 2-car V's should replace the K 2-car sets on the north!

So lets wait and see what transpires.   Rolling Eyes

Jono.
"Johnny_Walton"

People of the Central coast would love that idea as once the U-Boats went people had to hold on for the toilet.
  Nathan1987 Chief Commissioner

Location: Mt Warrigal N.S.W
Does mean say 6V services on Central Coast/South Coast will be removed if it a 4V with 2V to make the 6V service.

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