Safety Vests & Railways

 
  Grantham Minister for Railways

Location: I'm with stupid!
We could crap on about qualifications, orange vests, graffiti artists, POs and paperwork until the cows come home... but hanging around on the track is just an IQ test. If you fail, you die. I can't think how the current legislation would get around that one!

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  HMC1989 Chief Commissioner

Location: Behind a desk.
I had a job on NP23 recently where I had to inspect a traction engine shutdown. We had a block placed on the UP but I didn't like being there at all and was constantly keeping an eye out. The bottom line is if your not supposed to be there, buzz-off and if you are, be careful. Just remember, the train will always win.
  heisdeadjim Chief Commissioner

Jeremy Clarkson said so!
"nadnerbster"


I must have missed that episode?
  Grantham Minister for Railways

Location: I'm with stupid!
You must have.

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  aamslfc Deputy Commissioner

Jeremy Clarkson said so!
"nadnerbster"


I must have missed that episode?
"heisdeadjim"



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekpD06P7kiI&feature=fvw



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ03k9w6XhM

An important safety lesson we should all remember.
  4426 Chief Commissioner

Location: BUSY GOING AROUND IN CIRCLES
It must be 42101 thats how things roll in the perfect scenario that this person lives in wearing there rose colored glasses.  Laughing

Someone should tell that to the many trackworkers families that have unfortunately passed away by still following the rules and being hit by a train.

Can anyone though give me a ruling on when rail employee's are actually allowed in the rail corridor when they are not on duty?

Are they still allowed even if there wearing a vest?
  42101 Banned

Location: Banned
It must be 42101 thats how things roll in the perfect scenario that this person lives in wearing there rose colored glasses.  Laughing

Someone should tell that to the many trackworkers families that have unfortunately passed away by still following the rules and being hit by a train.

Can anyone though give me a ruling on when rail employee's are actually allowed in the rail corridor when they are not on duty?

Are they still allowed even if there wearing a vest?
"4426"


Very simple...NOT on duty then your classed as a civvie and have NO right to be in the corridor.

You are also only allowed in there if your job requires you to be in there.
  TE2815 Minister for Railways

Location: Mission control Minto or Thirlmere
If you are using NAR or CSB a call to Ops is a "courtesy" thing but you still have to have your Worksite Protection Plan signed off by a PO3 or higher and have the appropriate SWMS & SWIs with you.
"EMD-SD45X"
That would be incorrect as only a Network Controller (either Signaller or Area Controller) can actually apply a CSB as that is a Controlled Signal Block placed onto a Controlled Signal.
  4426 Chief Commissioner

Location: BUSY GOING AROUND IN CIRCLES

Very simple...NOT on duty then your classed as a civvie and have NO right to be in the corridor.

You are also only allowed in there if your job requires you to be in there.
"42101"


Cheers 42101 I thought my memory wasnt failing on me.
  Goose Chief Train Controller

Also, you cannot just go down to the rail line unless you get explicit permission from Operations and you have a protection officer with you. Without the two, going down to the line means you either expose yourself to being injured or being punished/fined/suspended/prosecuted.
"Route548"


"Rolling Stock Maintainers" use NAR and do not have a PO and do not need to contact Operations.
"Goose"


If you are using NAR or CSB a call to Ops is a "courtesy" thing but you still have to have your Worksite Protection Plan signed off by a PO3 or higher and have the appropriate SWMS & SWIs with you.
"EMD-SD45X"


RSD does not have any PO3s.
  FullSeries Assistant Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Sorry to dig this up - I was just perusing through here and wanted to clarify something.

Train Crew (Driver/Guard) & OSM are all Protection Officers.  Under CSB, they are the protection officer and under circumstances - the other crew can be utilised at as a lookout.

Controlled signal blocking (CSB) is a method of working in the Danger Zone. Protection Officers must have assessed that it is safe to do work using this method instead of a work on track authority.

If a safety assessment shows that it is safe, some kinds of work may be done in the Danger Zone without a work on track authority. This is the NAR
method of working. An easily-reached safe place must be available if this
method is used for work on track.

NAR requires lookouts, who, in most cases - will be the other crew member.

NAR is not used alot in the suburban area, CSB has been drilled into us to use when we need to do repairs, check brakes and whatnot.
  borosa Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
I remember back maybe 10-12 years ago during the morning peak, our train hit someone on the line just shy of Croydon station. After driver pulled up super fast just past the station, we waited around 35-40 mins and were de-trained onto the tracks to make our way back to Croydon station. From memory, there were still trains running on the unaffected lines but I cannot trust my memory on this.

Would this still happen today?
  Blackadder Chief Commissioner

Location: Not the ECRL
I remember back maybe 10-12 years ago during the morning peak, our train hit someone on the line just shy of Croydon station. After driver pulled up super fast just past the station, we waited around 35-40 mins and were de-trained onto the tracks to make our way back to Croydon station. From memory, there were still trains running on the unaffected lines but I cannot trust my memory on this.

Would this still happen today?
"borosa"


If lines are unaffected then more than likely yes, but final decision would rest with the incident controller.
  FullSeries Assistant Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Trains would most probably stopped on the adjacent lines, but slowed on the other lines.  After that amount of time, a NOS (or someone designated as the incident controller like Blackadder said) would be there to direct the situation and it would have been his/her decision to de-train the passengers.
  Maikha Moderator Not a gunzel

Thread cleaned up
  1AC Chief Train Controller

Location: The Universe

And how many NOS's and Cityrail staff do you see in the corridor without the mandatory brain buckets on? (Double standards by the clowns up high).



Ermm how many Drivers,Guards,Police,Ambulance staff wearing Hard Hats........when on track.

Oh thats because the situation is not normally planned to be on track and are not carrying Tools or Operating machinery that can injure your noggen.

Remember the risk assessment before you go on track.
Think about it!!
  Junction box Chief Commissioner

Location: newy
All depend who runs the worksite, not all require hard hats, most Rail Corp do but for no good reason.
  Goose Chief Train Controller

Sorry to dig this up - I was just perusing through here and wanted to clarify something.
"FullSeries"


Thank you.

NAR requires lookouts, who, in most cases - will be the other crew member.


Train Technicians work alone a lot of the time.

NAR is not used alot in the suburban area.


The Train Technicians use it every day.

The training courses for Infrastructure, RSD staff and train crew are different.
  Blackadder Chief Commissioner

Location: Not the ECRL
Just as a side NAR will be soon no longer, replaced by "lookout working"
  TheLoadedDog The Ghost of George Stephenson

Back to the original thread, I do not understand the confusion.

I work in a secure (non-rail) facility.  It has big, bitey machinery, and mondo safety rules.  If I were to turn up there, fully safety-accredited, wearing required safety gear (disco jacket and steel-cappers), but did so just to gunzel the joint, gues what?  I'd be asked to leave.  Why?  Because I was off-duty and had no reason to be there.


That said, some of the anti-gunzelswearingsafetyvests crowd have gone too far as well, believe it or not.  There have now been two occasions where I've turned up somewhere in my legal capacity as a foaming gunzel WITHOUT a safety vest, and have found I'd needed one.  Well, to be fair, I did turn up as a volunteer, but I found myself in the rail corridor, and I hadn't anticipated that.  Now, I just have one folded up in the bottom of my bag.
  heisdeadjim Chief Commissioner

Back to the original thread, I do not understand the confusion.

I work in a secure (non-rail) facility.  It has big, bitey machinery, and mondo safety rules.  If I were to turn up there, fully safety-accredited, wearing required safety gear (disco jacket and steel-cappers), but did so just to gunzel the joint, gues what?  I'd be asked to leave.  Why?  Because I was off-duty and had no reason to be there.


That said, some of the anti-gunzelswearingsafetyvests crowd have gone too far as well, believe it or not.  There have now been two occasions where I've turned up somewhere in my legal capacity as a foaming gunzel WITHOUT a safety vest, and have found I'd needed one.  Well, to be fair, I did turn up as a volunteer, but I found myself in the rail corridor, and I hadn't anticipated that.  Now, I just have one folded up in the bottom of my bag.
"TheLoadedDog™™"


My only problem with the above post is that it gives rise to the concept of "post-zels".

People weak at the knees at the sign of mail sorting machines......
  TheLoadedDog The Ghost of George Stephenson

Not goning to happen.

Wait...

Ask Maikha and Fieldshunt74.  I took 'em there and they were bemoaning the "no cameras" policy.

Bloody gunzels.   8)
  Goose Chief Train Controller

Last night there was a bit of a dispute between an OSM and a Train Tech over who was to be the PO to implement a CSB. The TT quoted OSP3 (person on track is to be the PO) and told the OSM where to go. Sydney box didn't want to get involved in the dispute.  

The train on 18 had a locked axle and big flats apparently.
  dkaarma Chief Train Controller

I reckon anyone in a safety vest near a railway without authority should be given cleaning supplies and put to work on commuter trains!
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Last night there was a bit of a dispute between an OSM and a Train Tech over who was to be the PO to implement a CSB. The TT quoted OSP3 (person on track is to be the PO) and told the OSM where to go. Sydney box didn't want to get involved in the dispute.  

The train on 18 had a locked axle and big flats apparently.
"Goose"


Who or what is an OSM, PO, CSB and TT?
What does train on 18 mean?

Your post is gibberish................................

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