Safety Vests & Railways

 
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Last night there was a bit of a dispute between an OSM and a Train Tech over who was to be the PO to implement a CSB. The TT quoted OSP3 (person on track is to be the PO) and told the OSM where to go. Sydney box didn't want to get involved in the dispute.  

The train on 18 had a locked axle and big flats apparently.
"Goose"


Who or what is an OSM, PO, CSB and TT?
What does train on 18 mean?

Your post is gibberish................................
"YM-Mundrabilla"


Translation:
Last night there was a bit of a dispute between an Operations Standards Manager (Inspector, frontline manager) and a train technician over who was to be a protection officer (Person responsible for safety at the worksite in simple terms) to implement Controlled Signal Blocking ( A safety measure to exclude rail traffic from the worksite to prevent injury to the workers in the danger zone).

The Train Technician quoted Operator Specifc Procedure 3 (Railcorp rule relating to the issue) and told the OSM where to go.
18 refers to platform 18 at Central.

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  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Last night there was a bit of a dispute between an OSM and a Train Tech over who was to be the PO to implement a CSB. The TT quoted OSP3 (person on track is to be the PO) and told the OSM where to go. Sydney box didn't want to get involved in the dispute.  

The train on 18 had a locked axle and big flats apparently.
"Goose"


Who or what is an OSM, PO, CSB and TT?
What does train on 18 mean?

Your post is gibberish................................
"YM-Mundrabilla"


Translation:
Last night there was a bit of a dispute between an Operations Standards Manager (Inspector, frontline manager) and a train technician over who was to be a protection officer (Person responsible for safety at the worksite in simple terms) to implement Controlled Signal Blocking ( A safety measure to exclude rail traffic from the worksite to prevent injury to the workers in the danger zone).

The Train Technician quoted Operator Specifc Procedure 3 (Railcorp rule relating to the issue) and told the OSM where to go.
18 refers to platform 18 at Central.
"seb2351"


Thank you - not all of us live on platform 18 - I would have guessed TT as Timetable and been 100% wrong.
  Goose Chief Train Controller

Thank you Seb Embarassed
  Blackadder Chief Commissioner

Location: Not the ECRL
If reported as true then he will be in a shock if he gets picked up for trespass, or chucked off the yard by the owners for not following OHS guidelines.
  Grantham Minister for Railways

Location: I'm with stupid!
[edit]Slanderous post written by a sockpuppet... removed[/edit]
"shunterteam"


He can't be ruining much for others if no-one is allowed there anyway!  Wink

The damage has already been done, OH&S and high security has gone mad and taken over every interesting industry, not that it keeps the children with the spray tins of paint out.

I used to love the photo run-pasts when I was a young-un...the whole trainload piles out onto the track, train reverses up, chuffs past, backs up and picks us up. Did anyone ruin this? Or did it just fail some risk assesment?

M
  Goose Chief Train Controller

Is anyone here from RSD/PFM (Hornsby/Mortdale/Flemo) been trained in the new "Lookout Working" rules that came in in december?
  theanimal Chief Commissioner

I would hope everyone who uses it has been trained
  Blackadder Chief Commissioner

Location: Not the ECRL
All staff that work on and about the tracks should be trained in by now.
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
All staff that work on and about the tracks should be trained in by now.
"Blackadder"

Should be but not...maybe they don't want drivers using it?
  urailes0623 Assistant Commissioner

Location: HELP
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  Blackadder Chief Commissioner

Location: Not the ECRL
All staff that work on and about the tracks should be trained in by now.
"Blackadder"

Should be but not...maybe they don't want drivers using it?
"seb2351"


Drivers not trained in it.   Shocked

A basic summary is that it replaces N.A.R protection, and that the number of lookouts is now limited to one in each direction from the previous unlimited number of lookouts.
  Goose Chief Train Controller

Had 5 mins training, but nothing has changed!
"urailes0623"


Are you from RSD/PFM?
  theanimal Chief Commissioner

how do you mean "nothing has changed"

surely the requirements and application are different?
  nadnerbster Deputy Commissioner

Location: Profundo en la Mierda
You don't need a new training course for the new rules. They're largely similar to the old ones anyway.

They've been well publicised and they're common sense things. Most of the time a copy of the rules and perhaps a 5 minute brief from a manager are all that's needed.
  urailes0623 Assistant Commissioner

Location: HELP
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  Goose Chief Train Controller

You don't need a new training course for the new rules. They're largely similar to the old ones anyway.  

They've been well publicised and they're common sense things. Most of the time a copy of the rules and perhaps a 5 minute brief from a manager are all that's needed.
"nadnerbster"


Maybe not much different for Infrastructure workers, but there is for RSD and train crews who do not have proper lookouts.
  Bob_inabottle Train Controller

I would like to know if anyone is willing to fill in:

When did you last use N.A.R. (lookout working)?

When you did how many people who could be lookouts did you have at you disposal?
  urailes0623 Assistant Commissioner

Location: HELP
I would like to know if anyone is willing to fill in:

When did you last use N.A.R. (lookout working)?

When you did how many people who could be lookouts did you have at you disposal?
"Bob_inabottle"


Used it last night, had 2 lookouts.
  Goose Chief Train Controller

When did you last use N.A.R. (lookout working)?
"Bob_inabottle"


The RSD train technicians that I know use it every day.

When you did how many people who could be lookouts did you have at you disposal?


Usually nil, or the driver.
  theanimal Chief Commissioner

perhaps the full story needs to be told?

Surely if you do not have sufficient trained lookouts you do not use this method of work?

Perhaps apply a higher level of protection i.e. CSB where there is a specific OSP for RSD staff to work?

Never let the truth interfere with a good story
  Goose Chief Train Controller

Surely if you do not have sufficient trained lookouts you do not use this method of work?
"theanimal"


No trained lookouts in RSD. You just use the train crew. Ask some of the drivers on here.

Perhaps apply a higher level of protection i.e. CSB where there is a specific OSP for RSD staff to work?


OSP3
  large_staff Locomotive Driver

Location: Newcastle
Also, you cannot just go down to the rail line unless you get explicit permission from Operations and you have a protection officer with you. Without the two, going down to the line means you either expose yourself to being injured or being punished/fined/suspended/prosecuted.
"Route548"


"Rolling Stock Maintainers" use NAR and do not have a PO and do not need to contact Operations.
"Goose"


If you are using NAR or CSB a call to Ops is a "courtesy" thing but you still have to have your Worksite Protection Plan signed off by a PO3 or higher and have the appropriate SWMS & SWIs with you.
And how many NOS's and Cityrail staff do you see in the corridor without the mandatory brain buckets on? (Double standards by the clowns up high)
"EMD-SD45X"
Route548 is on the money here.
Just wondering how you would set up a CSB "without" contacting NC? As far as I know you cannot.
  theanimal Chief Commissioner

the reference top brain buckets, PPE requirements are for engineering worksites to use hard hats, there is no requirement for this for operations worksites.
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
Just wondering how you would set up a CSB "without" contacting NC? As far as I know you cannot.
"large_staff"


One *could* cut into a local panel, although the phone would ring with a rather annoyed signaller/TC on the other end...
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Just wondering how you would set up a CSB "without" contacting NC? As far as I know you cannot.
"large_staff"


One *could* cut into a local panel, although the phone would ring with a rather annoyed signaller/TC on the other end...
"Raichase"


Still need to have the NCO permission prior to cutting in.

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