Additional Adelaide Trams

 
  Sandpatch Station Staff

As I understand it to be the  S A Government has four additinal Bombardier Flexity Classic Trams on order. Would any one know if that is still a current order or has that since been cancelled with the purchase of the Alstom Citadis Trams ?

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  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Adelaide sure needs more trams for special events !

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Saturday the 23rd of October there was a "Crusty Demonds" motorcycle stunt show at the Adelaide Entertainment Centre.

When the show finished hundreds of people came flooding out of the Centre, some going to the pub (on the other side of the road) but most headed for the tram stop filling up a waiting tram In no time, the tram became chockers so the doors were closed and were guarded by transit guards, with hundreds more wanting a tram ride.

Odd thing Is the tram stayed at the terminus for about 20 minutes with people all jammed Inside.

A local bus along Port Road pulled up and people flooded across the road to try and get aboard, the next tram finely arrived 5 minutes later, filled up quickly and headed off the the City with no stuffing around.

Is Adelaide not very good at planing the transport needs for major events ?
  tonyp Chief Commissioner

Location: Shoalhaven
^^
That's very interesting. How to shoot your reputation as a reliable transit providor in the foot. What do you think the reason for the 20 min wait was? Sticking to a timetable (only 20 min headways for a tram service, doesn't sound like trams are justified)? Single line track and waiting for the next tram to clear the section? Not providing extra vehicles for an event?

It would never have happened in the old Sydney tram system.

Initial enthusiasm for citing Adelaide as another model new light rail system fades to an embarrassed evasive "um, Adelaide? How do you spell that?"  Laughing
  Z181 Chief Train Controller

Location: Mernda
Adelaide need to put extra services on with the Entertainment Centre now a main stop. Also for Adelaide United games at Hindmarsh Stadium. They could operate shuttle services from South Terrus to Entertainment Centre or a couple extras doing the full route to/from Glenelg
  BillD Chief Train Controller

As I understand it to be the  S A Government has four additinal Bombardier Flexity Classic Trams on order. Would any one know if that is still a current order or has that since been cancelled with the purchase of the Alstom Citadis Trams ?
"Sandpatch"


Hi Sandpatch,
On page 99 of the DTEI's 2008-2009 Annual report, the supply of four extra Flexitys (plus spare parts) is mentioned, with a 2010 completion date.
The six Citadis trams are mentiond elsewhere in the report. The latest rumours have the first of the Flexitys arriving in January.
Bill.
  Sandpatch Station Staff

Thank you for all information in regards to the four additional Flexity trams. When the four Flexity trams are delivered it will give Adelaide a fleet of 15 Flexity trams and 6 Citadis trams. This will be quite an impressive fleet.  I would imagine that the works involved in up-grading the Glengowrie Depot are progressing well and the tram fleet are housed and maintained in a first class depot.
         As I have not been back to Adelaide for several years , I am looking forward to seeing and riding the Citadis trams and also seeing the new extension to the Entertainment Centre. Adelaide is a very livable city and all the tram / light rail works adds to the livability of this city.
  Tonsley213 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Everywhere except South Kensington
I want no more Flexity! more Citadi.
  nm39 Chief Commissioner

Location: By a road taking pictures
I want no more Flexity! more Citadi.
"Tonsley213"

I think they bought all the excess Citadis available at bargain basement price. However a few Flexity XXLs wouldn't go astray.
  ET423 Train Controller

Location: Earth
If there were 4 more trams coming to Adelaide in January (next month) i think we would have heard something by now.  Rolling Eyes
  IRAMOO Chief Train Controller

Location: Other
They still on order was listed in Railway Digest as still on order.
  Medo Junior Train Controller

Location: Adelaide

Very Happy

Well, January gone. It is February 2011. Here we are without 4 new trams. Maybe it will be January 2012... or 2013

Medo
  del_horno15 Junior Train Controller

Adelaide need to put extra services on with the Entertainment Centre now a main stop. Also for Adelaide United games at Hindmarsh Stadium. They could operate shuttle services from South Terrus to Entertainment Centre or a couple extras doing the full route to/from Glenelg
"Z181"


Wouldnt be much good at Adelaide United games involving Melbourne Victory. Police usually close the road so they can surround the Victory fans and march them back into the city
  BillD Chief Train Controller

Very Happy
Well, January gone. It is February 2011. Here we are without 4 new trams. Maybe it will be January 2012... or 2013
Medo
"Medo"


Hello Medo,

If you dig around on the Bombardier site you'll find a report about major flooding at their Bautzen factory last year. This put them out of action for a couple of months, but things were pretty much back to normal in October.

A two month delay would hint at deliveries in the next month or so and indeed there is a rumour on another forum that there may be two Flexy's in Melbourne going through the usual pre-delivery processes.

Bill.
  Medo Junior Train Controller

Location: Adelaide

Very Happy

Very Happy
Well, January gone. It is February 2011. Here we are without 4 new trams. Maybe it will be January 2012... or 2013
Medo
"Medo"


Hello Medo,

If you dig around on the Bombardier site you'll find a report about major flooding at their Bautzen factory last year. This put them out of action for a couple of months, but things were pretty much back to normal in October.

A two month delay would hint at deliveries in the next month or so and indeed there is a rumour on another forum that there may be two Flexy's in Melbourne going through the usual pre-delivery processes.

Bill.
"BillD"


Thank you! I hope there is some truth in this rumour. We need more trams. Very Happy

Medo
  Halo Chief Train Controller

Wonders if they will be supplied with the same Air con as the last batch. We already know the last units were useless, so why pay for AC that we are simply going to have to remove the moment they arrive in Aust?

Perhaps they could send some yellow paint across too, as the paint on a couple of the ends of the current units has dissolved back to white undercoat.
  jedimasterc Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
^^
That's very interesting. How to shoot your reputation as a reliable transit providor in the foot. What do you think the reason for the 20 min wait was? Sticking to a timetable (only 20 min headways for a tram service, doesn't sound like trams are justified)? Single line track and waiting for the next tram to clear the section? Not providing extra vehicles for an event?

It would never have happened in the old Sydney tram system.

Initial enthusiasm for citing Adelaide as another model new light rail system fades to an embarrassed evasive "um, Adelaide? How do you spell that?"  Laughing
"tonyp"


from recollection on my trip to adelaide that line is not single but double track.

Maybe they don't have enough stock to cover these special events
  62440 Chief Commissioner

I note that Edinburgh has cut back its tram line, releasing a number of trams
  Medo Junior Train Controller

Location: Adelaide

Very Happy

^^
That's very interesting. How to shoot your reputation as a reliable transit providor in the foot. What do you think the reason for the 20 min wait was? Sticking to a timetable (only 20 min headways for a tram service, doesn't sound like trams are justified)? Single line track and waiting for the next tram to clear the section? Not providing extra vehicles for an event?
It would never have happened in the old Sydney tram system.
Initial enthusiasm for citing Adelaide as another model new light rail system fades to an embarrassed evasive "um, Adelaide? How do you spell that?"  Laughing
"tonyp"

from recollection on my trip to adelaide that line is not single but double track.

Maybe they don't have enough stock to cover these special events
"jedimasterc"


There is only approximately 35 meters of the single track, located just at the east side of the Morphett St. Bridge.  That was kind of compromise for the right turning toward ACC parking building.





Yes, we do not have enough trams, but taking into account a very vocal opposition to them... I am very happy having them at all. New 4 trams (if they come) will be more than welcome addition.


Medo
  bobharris2002 Train Controller

We ain't getting them.
  CRGM Junior Train Controller

Location: Could be anywhere atm.
We ain't getting them.
"bobharris2002"


Do you have some sort of evidence to back your statement up with?
  bobharris2002 Train Controller

Well! do you have any reliable proof that they are coming, besides bull....

if you have I would love to see it. cheers
  jedimasterc Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
Very Happy

^^
That's very interesting. How to shoot your reputation as a reliable transit providor in the foot. What do you think the reason for the 20 min wait was? Sticking to a timetable (only 20 min headways for a tram service, doesn't sound like trams are justified)? Single line track and waiting for the next tram to clear the section? Not providing extra vehicles for an event?
It would never have happened in the old Sydney tram system.
Initial enthusiasm for citing Adelaide as another model new light rail system fades to an embarrassed evasive "um, Adelaide? How do you spell that?"  Laughing
"tonyp"

from recollection on my trip to adelaide that line is not single but double track.

Maybe they don't have enough stock to cover these special events
"jedimasterc"


There is only approximately 35 meters of the single track, located just at the east side of the Morphett St. Bridge.  That was kind of compromise for the right turning toward ACC parking building.





Yes, we do not have enough trams, but taking into account a very vocal opposition to them... I am very happy having them at all. New 4 trams (if they come) will be more than welcome addition.


Medo
"Medo"


Why would anyone appose the trams. The system is green, and if extended could serve the city to help reduce Adelaide's carbon footprint and it's not like there is any traffic in Adelaide. I was able to drive through the cbd to the hotel I stayed at in only 5 minutes during peak hour.

I dare you to try driving through the cbd of sydney at peak hour. It would take more like 30 minutes to get from the western distributor to hyde park in peak hour which is like 4 hours long.
  tonyp Chief Commissioner

Location: Shoalhaven
Certainly the above photos of North Terrace do not indicate a vehicle traffic situation so critical as to single-track the tramway to get a turning lane in. What a joke.
  ET423 Train Controller

Location: Earth
Well! do you have any reliable proof that they are coming, besides bull....

if you have I would love to see it. cheers
"bobharris2002"


all i've heard is someone saying that they were in Melbourne. But if they were in Melbourne then i bet some enthusiast would have taken a photo and posted it here by now..

the 4 extra trams are not coming!
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Certainly the above photos of North Terrace do not indicate a vehicle traffic situation so critical as to single-track the tramway to get a turning lane in. What a joke.
"tonyp"


Please remember that the tram stop seen in the 2nd of Medo's photos was the end of the line before the Entertainment centre extension.
The powers to be designed the short single track section as a cheaper alternative to a cross over. It uses two points not four, and the right turn lane was a bonus! (btw it services a small carpark with limited capacity.
When the extension was built the man writing the cheques didn't want to write one to upgrade this bit!  Rolling Eyes
The turn lane was a bonus, NOT the reason (but many will try to tell you differently!)

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