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  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.


Painted NR samples added to https://www.facebook.com/auscisionmodels/

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  meh Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
They look brilliant; looking forward to getting them.

Shame there are only two numbers of standard NR livery; though it gives scope for future releases Smile

  meh Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Full sample of NR52 'Kungara Mankurpa' from Auscision's Facebook page:





Apart from one (or two) issues they look pretty awesome.

  Silvermoth Beginner

Location: Australia
I am just in awe of the one above. It looks absolutely fabulous.
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
Tangara running sample has arrived! https://www.facebook.com/auscisionmodels/videos/822109454973916/
  meh Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Tangara running sample has arrived! https://www.facebook.com/auscisionmodels/videos/822109454973916/
Poath Junction

There will be a lot of happy people about this.

Despite the negative comments about the delays, I'm certain the quality of the final model will be outstanding, and if the development of the Tangara has broken new ground with development of models and production techniques; we'll all be the beneficiaries.  

Cheers
  Moses Wong Station Master

Tangara running sample has arrived! https://www.facebook.com/auscisionmodels/videos/822109454973916/
Poath Junction
If ever there was a model begging for close coupling, this is it.
Sadly, not after such a long wait. They had the chance to make an outstanding model rather than a flash paint job.

Oh well.
MJW
  DJPeters Assistant Commissioner

Tangara running sample has arrived! https://www.facebook.com/auscisionmodels/videos/822109454973916/
If ever there was a model begging for close coupling, this is it.
Sadly, not after such a long wait. They had the chance to make an outstanding model rather than a flash paint job.

Oh well.
MJW
Moses Wong
After all this time I would be thankful that it is coming out at all and if needed close coupling can easily be done by the modeller. Better to have it slightly too far apart and able to run round 18 inch curves as on a lot of model railways than to have it close coupled and only able to run on say 48 inch curves or something.
  Moses Wong Station Master

Tangara running sample has arrived! https://www.facebook.com/auscisionmodels/videos/822109454973916/
If ever there was a model begging for close coupling, this is it.
Sadly, not after such a long wait. They had the chance to make an outstanding model rather than a flash paint job.

Oh well.
MJW
After all this time I would be thankful that it is coming out at all and if needed close coupling can easily be done by the modeller. Better to have it slightly too far apart and able to run round 18 inch curves as on a lot of model railways than to have it close coupled and only able to run on say 48 inch curves or something.
DJPeters
Roco, Marklin and Hornby have had close coupling on their coaches for years. It is part of the design and not something fitted by the modeller. The coaches run comfortably on 15 inch radius set track. And adopting this feature is not even innovation rather utilising a proven design that is freely available.
MJW
  kingfisher Chief Train Controller

Tangara running sample has arrived! https://www.facebook.com/auscisionmodels/videos/822109454973916/
If ever there was a model begging for close coupling, this is it.
Sadly, not after such a long wait. They had the chance to make an outstanding model rather than a flash paint job.

Oh well.
MJW
After all this time I would be thankful that it is coming out at all and if needed close coupling can easily be done by the modeller. Better to have it slightly too far apart and able to run round 18 inch curves as on a lot of model railways than to have it close coupled and only able to run on say 48 inch curves or something.
Roco, Marklin and Hornby have had close coupling on their coaches for years. It is part of the design and not something fitted by the modeller. The coaches run comfortably on 15 inch radius set track. And adopting this feature is not even innovation rather utilising a proven design that is freely available.
MJW
Moses Wong
But do any of the models have a full skirt like the Tangara's have.
  Moses Wong Station Master

Tangara running sample has arrived! https://www.facebook.com/auscisionmodels/videos/822109454973916/
If ever there was a model begging for close coupling, this is it.
Sadly, not after such a long wait. They had the chance to make an outstanding model rather than a flash paint job.

Oh well.
MJW
After all this time I would be thankful that it is coming out at all and if needed close coupling can easily be done by the modeller. Better to have it slightly too far apart and able to run round 18 inch curves as on a lot of model railways than to have it close coupled and only able to run on say 48 inch curves or something.
Roco, Marklin and Hornby have had close coupling on their coaches for years. It is part of the design and not something fitted by the modeller. The coaches run comfortably on 15 inch radius set track. And adopting this feature is not even innovation rather utilising a proven design that is freely available.
MJW
But do any of the models have a full skirt like the Tangara's have.
kingfisher
What relevance does that have to close coupling?
  SA_trains Deputy Commissioner

Location: ACT
Roco, Marklin and Hornby have had close coupling on their coaches for years. It is part of the design and not something fitted by the modeller. The coaches run comfortably on 15 inch radius set track. And adopting this feature is not even innovation rather utilising a proven design that is freely available.
MJW
But do any of the models have a full skirt like the Tangara's have.
kingfisher
I can't speak of Roco or Hornby, but the Marklin couplers and bogies that I have seen are very well designed and I have seen them on various models with full length skirts.
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Thread cleaned, some posts edited. Play nice.  skirts on the tangaras, close couplers are all revelant. move on.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

Roco, Marklin and Hornby have had close coupling on their coaches for years. It is part of the design and not something fitted by the modeller. The coaches run comfortably on 15 inch radius set track. And adopting this feature is not even innovation rather utilising a proven design that is freely available.
MJW
But do any of the models have a full skirt like the Tangara's have.
I can't speak of Roco or Hornby, but the Marklin couplers and bogies that I have seen are very well designed and I have seen them on various models with full length skirts.
SA_trains
ROCO, Marklin and Hornby are all toys and run on impossibly tight curves that no real modeller would tolerate.
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
ROCO, Marklin and Hornby are all toys and run on impossibly tight curves that no real modeller would tolerate.
nswtrains


Yet a lot of the models even in australia go around a 6x4ft table as a first layout. Not everyone has the luxury of big curves. And the Toy reference at the end of the day can be applied to every product in this thread and every thread in this section of Railpage.

What makes it a model is what a modeller does with it.

Regards,
David Head
  meh Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
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  M636C Minister for Railways

I have Liliput HO passenger car models dating back more than 20 years that have close coupling mechanisms using a curved track in the floor of the car that allow the cars to move apart on curves but move back together on straight track. Most of these were made in the same Chinese factories used by Auscision and others.

These would be ideal for Tangara models which do not need to couple to anything else.

It is the Americans who introduced the idea of very large radii and fixed couplers. I don't quite know why we have followed them. In general American homes have large basements unknown in this country that provide large areas for layouts. We should look more closely at European models, many of which have features better suited for our purposes.

Peter
  sol Assistant Commissioner

Location: Evanston Gardens SA

It is the Americans who introduced the idea of very large radii and fixed couplers. I don't quite know why we have followed them. In general American homes have large basements unknown in this country that provide large areas for layouts. We should look more closely at European models, many of which have features better suited for our purposes.

Peter
M636C

East coast of USA may have basements, West coast more like us - large sheds/rooms.

IMO, nothing looks more like a toy with coaches that are 9"/ 230mm long going around 18"  / 450mm radius curves.
  a6et Minister for Railways

I have Liliput HO passenger car models dating back more than 20 years that have close coupling mechanisms using a curved track in the floor of the car that allow the cars to move apart on curves but move back together on straight track. Most of these were made in the same Chinese factories used by Auscision and others.

These would be ideal for Tangara models which do not need to couple to anything else.

It is the Americans who introduced the idea of very large radii and fixed couplers. I don't quite know why we have followed them. In general American homes have large basements unknown in this country that provide large areas for layouts. We should look more closely at European models, many of which have features better suited for our purposes.

Peter
M636C
Peter, other aspect to consider is that American modellers especially those modelling the larger rail systems and long wheel bases basically have to use large radius curves for them to operate around.  I know my QJ resists anything under 24" radius curves also DJH 57cl has had issues with the 28" radius curves I have now gone to minimum of 32" and hopefully no issues there.

I have seen some of the larger U.S models that above the 8 wheel drivers have the 2nd and 4th wheel flangeless to cope with lower radius curves.
  M636C Minister for Railways

East coast of USA may have basements, West coast more like us - large sheds/rooms.

IMO, nothing looks more like a toy with coaches that are 9"/ 230mm long going around 18"  / 450mm radius curves.


One of the features of the variable couplers is that the coaches stay as close as possible on the curves. I would agree that cars with long fixed couplers look toy-like, both on curves and off, but the variable couplers  greatly reduce the effect of sharp curves and look quite realistic through points and crossings.

The effect isn't nearly as bad as the shortened passenger cars used on many USA layouts to allow close coupling on the unavoidable sharp curves. Questions about minimum radii abound on the Model Railroader forum.

Of course, you cars with variable couplers run just as well on large radii and look better in many cases.

Peter





  SAR523 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Chicago, IL
It is the Americans who introduced the idea of very large radii and fixed couplers.

Peter
M636C
I don't know about that.

I'm currently reading a British prototype modeling book, where the author is extolling the benefits of larger radii curves and what constitutes an acceptable compromise.  It was published in 1985.

Whilst I live in the US, I use 28" / 712mm minimum curves because they look better and my brass Ajin 520 (SAR prototype) model doesn't like anything much sharper.  Even curves of that size look very ordinary from the outside (inside always looks better) with 50s-60s era sub-40' cars to my eye.

If I didn't have the space I'd just have to suck it up and run 4 axle diesels with tighter curves, but I do, so why not?  I feel it looks better and definitely operates better.

If anyone is interested, this is the book.  It's a fun read.
https://www.amazon.com/Modelling-Historic-Railways-David-Jenkinson/dp/0850597315
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
I think a few people need to have a look at the real Tangara before getting upset about close coupling issues. The model has a big spacing between each carriage simply because the prototype does! The model diaphrams are to scale, lock into each other and pivot on curves, just like the prototype.

An 'at a glace' look shows the prototype gap between carriages is roughly the same width as a single passenger door. The model meets that same spacing look.
  NSWGR1855 Deputy Commissioner

East coast of USA may have basements, West coast more like us - large sheds/rooms.

IMO, nothing looks more like a toy with coaches that are 9"/ 230mm long going around 18"  / 450mm radius curves.


One of the features of the variable couplers is that the coaches stay as close as possible on the curves. I would agree that cars with long fixed couplers look toy-like, both on curves and off, but the variable couplers  greatly reduce the effect of sharp curves and look quite realistic through points and crossings.

The effect isn't nearly as bad as the shortened passenger cars used on many USA layouts to allow close coupling on the unavoidable sharp curves. Questions about minimum radii abound on the Model Railroader forum.

Of course, you cars with variable couplers run just as well on large radii and look better in many cases.

Peter

I agree 100% with all the above comments. If you want to know  the practical minimum radius for your models  check out the AMRA standard on the subject @  https://amra.asn.au/standards/

The Tangara is one model that was crying out for a specialized close coupling system. There is no gap in the middle of the tangara connector in the real world and it will be a difficult correction for the modeller to do.

Terry Flynn.



M636C
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner
  meh Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Update from the Sandown Exhibition. Tooling Samples of the C and BL class locos are on display:






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