Auscision Models Blog

 
  wappinghigh Beginner

Hi I have a question about the new Auscision Tait model release.

There are two basic varieties - earlier sets with spoked wheels, and later sets (with solid disc wheels)..

I only recall seeing the TAITS with disc wheels as a kid in the late 70's and 80's though I must admit I didn't give it much thought..

My question is when did VR change the wheels of the Taits over to solid wheels?

Were any TAITS still left around in the 60's and 70's with spoked wheels?

Why did they change them?

I've searched hi and low on line and can't find the answer...

Also I can't tell from pictures what sort of Wheels the TAITS have that are being restored right now at SteamRail

Does anyone know the history of this important wheelset change?

Thanks!

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  FirstStopCentral Chief Train Controller

IP/Ghan carriage pre-order discount ending soon, models expected to be available late July.
In the time since these models were announced we've seen the prototype IP using ex Southern Spirit platinum cars, and of course the new Great Southern service started. I predict some unannounced packs to appear in due course.
Poath Junction
They've already shown a video of painted samples of these cars and there was a platinum Ghan car in there I believe.

Paul
  DJPeters Deputy Commissioner

IP/Ghan carriage pre-order discount ending soon, models expected to be available late July.
In the time since these models were announced we've seen the prototype IP using ex Southern Spirit platinum cars, and of course the new Great Southern service started. I predict some unannounced packs to appear in due course.
Poath Junction
Would also be great to see at some stage the modern steel Overland cars done as well as they now have at least the bogies to go under them as used on the IP/GHAN cars. One hopes though but one does not hold their breath.

Also you never know that sleeping cars might just be part of the hint of further cars like this to be done, one hopes anyway.
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
Hi I have a question about the new Auscision Tait model release.

There are two basic varieties - earlier sets with spoked wheels, and later sets (with solid disc wheels)..

I only recall seeing the TAITS with disc wheels as a kid in the late 70's and 80's though I must admit I didn't give it much thought..

My question is when did VR change the wheels of the Taits over to solid wheels?

Were any TAITS still left around in the 60's and 70's with spoked wheels?

Why did they change them?

I've searched hi and low on line and can't find the answer...

Also I can't tell from pictures what sort of Wheels the TAITS have that are being restored right now at SteamRail

Does anyone know the history of this important wheelset change?

Thanks!
wappinghigh
I was still at Eltham Depot when the Taits were withdrawn. Up till then I walked along side them doing a start up inspection many times. Part of this inspection was to check condition of wheels and brake blocks
I can say that I don't ever remember seeing disk wheels on a 1:1 Tait.
And if I do purchase a Tait it will be spoked wheels for me. The Taits were removed from Eltham soon after the underground opened. Although Eltham did run them through the Underground for a short time, until risk assessment worked out that these things burnt with such intensity that they would be a death trap in enclosed spaces, especially as the tunnels are fed with huge amounts of air from above. Interestingly the Taits survived much longer than the Blues which first appeared around 1956.
EDIT  Also, as Taits came to the end of their lives when the Harris was introduced, Bogies were reconditioned and traction motors were rewound and altered to run on 600v to match EMD generators and control equipment.
These rebuilt bogies were then placed on Clyde built Y Class diesel shunting engines. The story goes that the VR was starved for funds at the time and could not pay for the 75 engines needed. Government funding is divided between new capital investment and general maintenance. By building the bogies and sending them to Clyde, (paid for under maintenance) they had sufficient Capital Finance to pay for the rest of the engines. The bogies were a huge success and did a magnificent job speed limited to 65km per hour. However if roller bearings were fitted, 100kph was allowed.

ALL Y Class bogies were fitted spoked wheels.
So perhaps the solid wheels only arrived under Tait heritage ownership? Just saying Wink
  sm-at-eden Station Master

IP/Ghan carriage pre-order discount ending soon, models expected to be available late July.
In the time since these models were announced we've seen the prototype IP using ex Southern Spirit platinum cars, and of course the new Great Southern service started. I predict some unannounced packs to appear in due course.
Would also be great to see at some stage the modern steel Overland cars done as well as they now have at least the bogies to go under them as used on the IP/GHAN cars. One hopes though but one does not hold their breath.

Also you never know that sleeping cars might just be part of the hint of further cars like this to be done, one hopes anyway.
DJPeters
Would be even better if AM were to put out single or twin packs of cars for IP/Ghan/Southern Spirit/Great Southern/Overland cars so that we could mix and match to make up prototypical modern-day consists as happens with the real thing.
  sm-at-eden Station Master

IP/Ghan carriage pre-order discount ending soon, models expected to be available late July.
In the time since these models were announced we've seen the prototype IP using ex Southern Spirit platinum cars, and of course the new Great Southern service started. I predict some unannounced packs to appear in due course.
Would also be great to see at some stage the modern steel Overland cars done as well as they now have at least the bogies to go under them as used on the IP/GHAN cars. One hopes though but one does not hold their breath.

Also you never know that sleeping cars might just be part of the hint of further cars like this to be done, one hopes anyway.
DJPeters
  GCMotorail Station Staff

IP/Ghan carriage pre-order discount ending soon, models expected to be available late July.
In the time since these models were announced we've seen the prototype IP using ex Southern Spirit platinum cars, and of course the new Great Southern service started. I predict some unannounced packs to appear in due course.
Would also be great to see at some stage the modern steel Overland cars done as well as they now have at least the bogies to go under them as used on the IP/GHAN cars. One hopes though but one does not hold their breath.

Also you never know that sleeping cars might just be part of the hint of further cars like this to be done, one hopes anyway.
Would be even better if AM were to put out single or twin packs of cars for IP/Ghan/Southern Spirit/Great Southern/Overland cars so that we could mix and match to make up prototypical modern-day consists as happens with the real thing.
sm-at-eden
I agree that it would be helpful if Auscision released single or twin packs of those cars (and the Aurora cars) but it doesn't seem to figure in their marketing plans at present. I could find a use for some individual cars but a 10 car set way exceeds my needs.
  M636C Minister for Railways

I agree that it would be helpful if Auscision released single or twin packs of those cars (and the Aurora cars) but it doesn't seem to figure in their marketing plans at present. I could find a use for some individual cars but a 10 car set way exceeds my needs.
The problem is that you can't make up any believable Overland in the E car period without sleeping cars whether or not you can run a full Length train.

Rather more important is that no believable Indian Pacific can be made up, even with the additional cars, with the exception of the first period set, since no sitting cars are available. In fact, the only approximation to the required sitting cars are the Frateschi models which wouldn't fit in at all well.

What is the point of having a twelve or thirteen car Indian Pacific or Ghan with no sitting cars? The sitting cars were the SAR D class cars, classed AG and BG by AN, which had no skirts and smooth roofs and were shorter than the other cars, so their absence is noticeable.

I too would be happy with ten cars but I'd like some sitting cars. The sitting cars are very like the steel Overland sitting cars, but have ground level steps not on the Overland.

I may not live long enough to get any additional cars from a future steel Overland production.

I'm already waiting for an NR Steelink BL class for my Lima standard gauge Overland set...

Peter
  lkernan Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Big news, The Tangara has a delivery date set.

https://facebook.com/auscisionmodels/

The update you have all been waiting for! TANGARA Our factory has just advised that the production run of HO Scale Tangara Passenger Trains will be finished in November 2020 and delivered in time for Christmas. This has been a long wait for everyone and a huge expense for Auscision due to the fact that we had so many problems with this project, we had to re-tool 60% of the parts to try and improve the running capabilities of the model.
Auscision
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
Big news, The Tangara has a delivery date set.

https://facebook.com/auscisionmodels/

The update you have all been waiting for! TANGARA Our factory has just advised that the production run of HO Scale Tangara Passenger Trains will be finished in November 2020 and delivered in time for Christmas. This has been a long wait for everyone and a huge expense for Auscision due to the fact that we had so many problems with this project, we had to re-tool 60% of the parts to try and improve the running capabilities of the model.
lkernan
Gosh a real Eureka moment?
Glad I wasnt waiting for this one Very Happy
  lkernan Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
I'm not really after one, but it doesn't look like it would be that hard to convert to a 4D and that would set the eBay bidders hair on fire.
Few decals, a bit of silver paint and a dremel to remove the bogie skirts.
  Clapham Junction Beginner

Hi everyone my first post,
Seeing the posts on here wishing Auscision providing single or twin "IP/Ghan/Southern Spirit/Great Southern/Overland cars", It reminded me of a post on Auscision's Facebook page in reference to the four car Griffith Country Link RUB/HUB/PHA cars when the RUB sets arrived last year, Auscision mentioned a PHA  power car, to quote "3rd car is a HUB car, PHA we are currently working on", at least there looks like plans for a PHA car.
It would have been great for Auscision to make available separately, Indian Pacific Power and Dining cars as these were used in NSW consists, my hopes are for someone to produce some FAM, PHV, and a KHG brake van.
To fill a gap in  Australias interstate passenger sets, I hope Auscision's next announcement will be the steel Overland set.
Here's to wishing regards Dallas
  davesvline Chief Commissioner

Location: 1983-1998
IP/Ghan carriage pre-order discount ending soon, models expected to be available late July.
In the time since these models were announced we've seen the prototype IP using ex Southern Spirit platinum cars, and of course the new Great Southern service started. I predict some unannounced packs to appear in due course.
Would also be great to see at some stage the modern steel Overland cars done as well as they now have at least the bogies to go under them as used on the IP/GHAN cars. One hopes though but one does not hold their breath.

Also you never know that sleeping cars might just be part of the hint of further cars like this to be done, one hopes anyway.
DJPeters
Bring on the Overland steel cars from the 80s-90s

Regards
  M636C Minister for Railways

IP/Ghan carriage pre-order discount ending soon, models expected to be available late July.
In the time since these models were announced we've seen the prototype IP using ex Southern Spirit platinum cars, and of course the new Great Southern service started. I predict some unannounced packs to appear in due course.
Would also be great to see at some stage the modern steel Overland cars done as well as they now have at least the bogies to go under them as used on the IP/GHAN cars. One hopes though but one does not hold their breath.

Also you never know that sleeping cars might just be part of the hint of further cars like this to be done, one hopes anyway.
Bring on the Overland steel cars from the 80s-90s

Regards
davesvline
It would be prototypical to run the Auscision set VPS39 (the 1950s-1960s Overland cars) with Lima cars painted as Overland cars lettered V&SAR. While it would be unusual to have only wooden sitting cars and only steel sleeping cars, the steel sleeping cars were introduced first and this train would represent the train as first hauled by the B class....

But we really need wooden sleeping cars and steel cars of all types.

Peter
  themetptc Junior Train Controller

Location: Ballarat
The August issue of AMRM shows the second run of B class locos being released in August. The Auscision website has nothing about it.
The August issue of AMRM also has a detailed list of release dates for the Powerline Z carriages, more details than what Powerline have on their facebook.

Is this simply a case of Auscision and Powerline not updating their sites or do the great folk at AMRM know more than the former?

Either way, it's all great news.

Sim
  lkernan Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
The August issue of AMRM shows the second run of B class locos being released in August. The Auscision website has nothing about it.
The August issue of AMRM also has a detailed list of release dates for the Powerline Z carriages, more details than what Powerline have on their facebook.

Is this simply a case of Auscision and Powerline not updating their sites or do the great folk at AMRM know more than the former?

Either way, it's all great news.

Sim
themetptc
I don't have a Facebook login but you don't need one to see the B class on the Auscision page, same for Powerline.
  brissim Chief Train Controller

What you have to appreciate that what is printed in any edition of the AMRM is already at least 2-3 weeks old when the magazine is released and is always subject to change. With most manufacturers/importers the most up to date information will be on their Facebook pages rather than their websites.

Auscision have clearly stated on their FB page the B Class rerun will ship in early August with arrival later in August. But as that was from early June even that is subject to change.

Tony
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
Maybe they are all pre-sold.
When I got an email from Auscision in early June to say they were coming soon, it said that there were only a few left and if I wanted more, to order then.
No  point putting it up on the website if there are none left.
  gw0071 Deputy Commissioner

Pretty quiet
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
Maybe they are all pre-sold.
When I got an email from Auscision in early June to say they were coming soon, it said that there were only a few left and if I wanted more, to order then.
No  point putting it up on the website if there are none left.
Donald
I reserved 3 on getting that email (knowing I was being activated Very Happy) So maybe many others did too?  Had no difficulty getting the ones I wanted. Will be nice to see how well they look after the upgrade.
Rod
  davesvline Chief Commissioner

Location: 1983-1998
Pretty sure I saw an email within the last week re their NR class currently in production and expected late November/early December.

No word on the C or G class, which take my interest. An opportunity to save up me thinks, especially in this current climate where I think many would be hesitant to commit to large/potentially expensive hobby outlays.

I’ve also asked them to consider more Victorian grain hoppers, and to do the last batch of these (VHHF) with the longer side sills. The response was they’re not currently looking at doing these, but a new model suggestion(s) are always welcome.

Not sure that effect the current Covid space is having on their ability to get announced models to us, or whether they’re waiting for the situation to improve for additional announcements on new projects etc.

But things would seem to be a bit quiet, and not just from
Auscision.

Regards
  kingfisher Chief Train Controller

Pretty sure I saw an email within the last week re their NR class currently in production and expected late November/early December.

No word on the C or G class, which take my interest. An opportunity to save up me thinks, especially in this current climate where I think many would be hesitant to commit to large/potentially expensive hobby outlays.

I’ve also asked them to consider more Victorian grain hoppers, and to do the last batch of these (VHHF) with the longer side sills. The response was they’re not currently looking at doing these, but a new model suggestion(s) are always welcome.

Not sure that effect the current Covid space is having on their ability to get announced models to us, or whether they’re waiting for the situation to improve for additional announcements on new projects etc.

But things would seem to be a bit quiet, and not just from
Auscision.

Regards
davesvline
Photos which I believe were taken at Australian Modeller of the first tooling samples of the C and either the BL or G class were posted by someone to a Facebook Group several weeks ago. Seems strange that Auscision haven't posted photos to their Facebook page.
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
Pretty sure I saw an email within the last week re their NR class currently in production and expected late November/early December.

No word on the C or G class, which take my interest. An opportunity to save up me thinks, especially in this current climate where I think many would be hesitant to commit to large/potentially expensive hobby outlays.

I’ve also asked them to consider more Victorian grain hoppers, and to do the last batch of these (VHHF) with the longer side sills. The response was they’re not currently looking at doing these, but a new model suggestion(s) are always welcome.

Not sure that effect the current Covid space is having on their ability to get announced models to us, or whether they’re waiting for the situation to improve for additional announcements on new projects etc.

But things would seem to be a bit quiet, and not just from
Auscision.

Regards
Photos which I believe were taken at Australian Modeller of the first tooling samples of the C and either the BL or G class were posted by someone to a Facebook Group several weeks ago. Seems strange that Auscision haven't posted photos to their Facebook page.
kingfisher
They seem to be getting to the point of giving more meaningful updates once the end is in sight for models, rather than every little step.
  meh Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
They posted the latest samples of the Indigenous livery NR30 on their Facebook page:



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  E1102 Beginner

Got an email this morning, IP and Ghan cars are coming this week. Bs are expected to leave China in 3 weeks. Excited for my B75!

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