Dual guage track

You must be logged in to reply

  Search thread   Image gallery
appleby Deputy Commissioner

Location: South of the Tweed - In Canberra.
Hey guys,

can anyway shed any advice on whats available in dual guage track, for 12mm/16.5mm (HOn3.5/HO)?
 
james13 Chief Commissioner

Location: At the Skunk Works
Try here. Tillig makes some nice stuff.
 
SPSD40T2 Chief Commissioner

Location: Platform 9-3/4 and still waiting !!
most likely handlaying

HO/HOn3 is avail... not aware of anything for 3'6' as dual guage
 
allan Chief Commissioner

Europeans call H0n3.5 H0m. Tillig track is available in Adelaide, at least.
 
Johnmc - Moderator Moderator

Location: Cloncurry, Queensland
There's an old thread from 2008 which may or may not help...

http://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11341436-0-asc-s0.htm
 
Gwiwer Rt Hon Gentleman and Ghost of Oliver Bulleid

Location: Loitering in darkest Somewhere
Tillig might be the way to go otherwise I believe it's a case of scratchbuilding.  At least with hand-built you can model the quirks of DG track which you may not find in off-the-shelf products such as the transition of the common rail to the opposite side through some pointwork.
 
SPSD40T2 Chief Commissioner

Location: Platform 9-3/4 and still waiting !!
http://www.tillig.com/cgi-bin/tillig.pl?templ=tillig-pl/index.html

there ya go Smile))
 
SA_trains Assistant Commissioner

Location: ACT
As others have said, HOn3.5 is often called HOm (for mitre gauge). Peco and Tilig make HOm track. I have a lingering suspicion that Shinohara also make HOm in addition to HOn3 track.

I have a concern with Tillig's dual gauge turnouts and that is the divergent angle (radius) of the turnout. From my recollection of the specifications is that they are about 450-500mm radius. I believe that short wheelbase locos (like a BO-BO diesel or a 2-4-0 steamer) would go through them fine. I am concerned that something longer would not.

On the commercial front, I believe that only Tilig and Shinohara are the only commercial vendors of ready to lay dual gauge turnouts in HO/HOm. Fast Tracks ( a Canadian firm) make a HOm template for building turnouts. I know that they have a template in production for dual gauge HO/HOm. this will provide you with the capability to make your own turnouts. I have built heaps of turnouts using their templates and they are great! You get a consistent high quality end product.

For the track, I'd buy ordinary HO flex track and lay a third rail. You just need three track gauges (HOm each not dual) and then you can spike or glue the rail. Why three gauges? so that you keep consistent over a length of rail.

My thoughts anyway.

good luck!
 
appleby Deputy Commissioner

Location: South of the Tweed - In Canberra.
Europeans call H0n3.5 H0m. Tillig track is available in Adelaide, at least.
- allan

Orient Express Model Railway shop right?
 
allan Chief Commissioner

Yes...
 
fairfieldqld Locomotive Fireman

Appleby:-

We have now made two exhibition layouts (Fairfield and Coorparoo) with the Tilig dual gauge product and have been extremely happy with it.  No need to buy 16.5mm and hand lay track.

As for the points they are a little harder.  As has been eluded to in other posts the tilig points are too tight for the 6 wheel bogie locos but they will go through.  We utilised the turnout for a while (16.5mm and 12mm turns off), however recently replaced it with a fastracks point that I made and much better results.

We utilise shinohara points (12mm only) in the yards with good effect, but will now utilise the fastracks jigs from now on as we have access to a dual gauge version which allows dual gauge points to be made.

Hope this gives you some first hand experience feedback.

Regards

Phil Hadley
PGC Scale Models
 
WUISKE Assistant Commissioner

G'day Phil,
Has Fast Tracks made a jig for the 12mm gauge points now? I heard about these about a year ago and was told he was "thinking" of doing a 12mm version. If hey are available now, then it is fantastic. Who sells them?

Cheers,
Adam
 
robertc Train Controller

Hi Adam, Gwydir Valley Models is the Australian agent for Fasttracks.
While I have not used their tools for 12mm I have made use of their filing jigs to do a few 32mm gauge points and they really made the job much easier and more accurate than my old home made jig.

Appleby
I think the Tillig product is still the only dual gauge option in RTR track although Shinohara and others do plain 12mm gauge. You might try the 3mm scale society  pages for 12mm gauges if you want to have a go at dual gauging some existing trackwork. Peter Betts used to supply them via AMRA for Shinohara code 70 rail section but they would be collectors items now. I guard mine jealously :>)

regards
Bob Comerford
 
fairfieldqld Locomotive Fireman

G'day Phil,
Has Fast Tracks made a jig for the 12mm gauge points now? I heard about these about a year ago and was told he was "thinking" of doing a 12mm version. If hey are available now, then it is fantastic. Who sells them?

Cheers,
Adam
- WUISKE


Adam,

Through Warren at Gwider he can place an order for whatever sort of points that you require as a special order.  The one that I have used will make any type of point (12mm, 16.5mm, dual gauge, common rail either left or right).

The whole process is very well engineered and after doing a couple they really do become quite easy.  As suggested the filling jigs is the real time saver, to getting it correct.

Regards

Phil
 
QR-INTERAIL Deputy Commissioner

Location: Where else, but Queensland
For my eventual QR layout, I will need about 6 dual gauge points. The idea of building them from scratch, even using a Fast Tracks jig, makes me curl up in the fetal position!

So I was just thinking of how I could make it easier, perhaps being Homer Simpson smrt Smart!

What I was thinking I could purchase Shinohara HO/HOm dual gauge points, pull it apart and just reuse all the rail, however soldered onto PCB sleepers to the correct 12mm/16.5mm! In theory it should work??

Any constructive opinions on that theory?
 
duttonbay Minister for Railways

What I was thinking I could purchase Shinohara HO/HOm dual gauge points, pull it apart and just reuse all the rail, however soldered onto PCB sleepers to the correct 12mm/16.5mm! In theory it should work??
- QR-INTERAIL

It would be a bit of a waste to disassemble and reconstruct, since a dual gauge HO/HOm turnout is already gauged to 16.5 and 12mm.
 
QR-INTERAIL Deputy Commissioner

Location: Where else, but Queensland
Correction then; use a dual gauge Shinohara point that is 16.5mm/10mm gauge; pull it apart to move the 10mm rail over 2mm so it makes 12mm!
 
duttonbay Minister for Railways

I trust that you have stopped repeating yourself now.

How was I to know that you actually knew what gauge HOm was?  That's what you said, and that's 12mm gauge.  If you had said HO/HOn3 dual gauge my answer would have been different.
 
LaidlayM Chief Commissioner

Location: Research
...............  

Correction then; use a dual gauge Shinohara point that is 16.5mm/10mm gauge; pull it apart to move the 10mm rail over 2mm so it makes 12mm!
- QR-INTERAIL

Won't work, the crossing (frog) will not move so easily.  I talked to someone who was cutting a peco 16.5mm gauge turnouts into 5 pieces and re-assembling to 18.2mm gauge by inserting extra lengths of rail.  Then he tried starting from scratch and building a 18.2mm gauge turnout, the second was far easier.

Just bite the bullet and build from scratch.

Mark
PS. There is a function in Railpage to delete all the duplications.
 
br30453 Junior Train Controller

Correction then; use a dual gauge Shinohara point that is 16.5mm/10mm gauge; pull it apart to move the 10mm rail over 2mm so it makes 12mm!
- QR-INTERAIL

The Shinohara track for US 3 foot narrow gauge is 10.5mm not 10mm.
 
QR-INTERAIL Deputy Commissioner

Location: Where else, but Queensland
Thanks LaidlayM for your constructive response. Sometimes a short cut isn't really that short. 8)

Cheers
 
David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: With Dee Dee McCall
Whether you pull a point apart or start from scratch you need to solder both to PCB sleepers in the end so you might as well try making a point using some jigs to do it. As some one has said the Fast tracks one gives consistent results so personally I would use one to get the points you require. You will save a bit of money making them and later you can make points etc to suit your track layout, not having to make the track using off the shelf items.
 
dthead - Administrator Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
For my eventual QR layout, I will need about 6 dual gauge points. The idea of building them from scratch, even using a Fast Tracks jig, makes me curl up in the fetal position!

So I was just thinking of how I could make it easier, perhaps being Homer Simpson smrt Smart!

What I was thinking I could purchase Shinohara HO/HOm dual gauge points, pull it apart and just reuse all the rail, however soldered onto PCB sleepers to the correct 12mm/16.5mm! In theory it should work??

Any constructive opinions on that theory?
- QR-INTERAIL


fairfieldqld might assist in the building of a point if you do take the plunge.  And PM the gentleman, he might know someone who can make the points for you, at a price. PM him and discuss it......

Regards,
David Head

ps fairfieldqld, dobbed you in sort of, but we ll help each other.....
 
BladeHunter Station Master

Location: Sydney
If it's ok I'd like to add my 2 cents regarding Fast Tracks.

Firstly their customer service is fantatstic, I bought one of their jigs in May of this year but due to "Life" I didn't get a chance to have a go at building a turnout. As per Murphy I received a jig that was slightly out of spec, mine was one that got out before they realised the issue. Sent an email off Saturday night, received a reply on Sunday informing me that a replacement would be on the way mid week. I was given a store credit equal to my postage costs, I was intending to buy a few bits and pieces later on anyways so I took it as a plus, others might not. I think all up I had my new jig Wednesday week.

Secondly this is the first time I've ever attempted any kind of handlaid track, be it plain or turnout, was such a pleasing feeling to produce a smooth running turnout on my first attempt. All up construction may have been 2.5 to 3 hours I was taking my time and doing things slowly, oh yeah a new tip for my iron would have helped as well.

Yes there is an expense involved in getting setup, I dare say the development would have taken some time, effort and a few scraps of aluminium. As a "virgin" track builder I'm way impressed and in the long run I can see it saving me money and hopefully the knowledge of how a good turnout works and the skills to make "off jig" turnouts to suit a location.

I could even see how the jig for filing the frog & points alone would make life easier.

My apologies if I've gone off topic but I just wanted to share my experience.
 

You must be logged in to reply

  Search thread   Image gallery
 
Display from: