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jmt Assistant Commissioner

Tasrail neither fish nor fowl

Your political class registered it as Tasmanian Railway Pty Ltd. If rail went belly up, it was at arms length, deniable, and the Minister had a convenient board of directors, and "free enterprise" management to blame and  take the heat.

A Propriety Limited Company has no legal disclosure requirement for its operations. Tasrail's web site is pure civil service, and gives the impression that it is a government department.

All well and good, but someone should tell the Minister that in Pty. Ltd. companies, the directors are responsible for the purchasing decisions, and legally they are not required to go down the farcical and expensive trail of calling EOI's, then tenders, for a handfull of locomotives.

The boards and management of the mainland rail companies must be killing themselves laughing at Apple Isle antics, no wonder all of the two headed jokes.

The Government are control freaks (or the Minister is playing at trains), why would you decree that a nominally private company go through the full civil service procurement procedure, for what should be no more than a $20 to $30 million dollar exercise?

Rail in Tasmania is now obviously seen as a social service, run at a cost to the taxpayer, as two nominally lean and mean private operators have not managed to make profits out of it. How can Tasrail do better, especially if blinkered and strait-jacketed by government governance?

The delays in the procurement (overseas jollies looking at the short-listed builders capacity?), must be adding to the overall cost, and the reason for the purchase of tired iron out of Queensland, to cover delays.
 
SPSD40T2 Chief Commissioner

Location: Platform 9-3/4 and still waiting !!
what sort of money would they have gone for ??
 
RTT_Rules Minister for Railways

Location: Dubai UAE
what sort of money would they have gone for ??
- SPSD40T2


In QRIG, someone mentioned that they tried to get the 2300 class, but at $1.5m the price was too high. So from this I take it its about $1m.

Now how much would you pay for a 30 year old loco (even if a good one) when new is probably $3m for similar HP? Surely 33% of new muct be upper price, but the avaialble 2nd hand market is limited.

The 2150 maybe a stop gap but no reason why they cannot continue on for an extended period, ie 10 years. Give them say the paper train doing 6 return trips a week working in tripple header thats still less than 200,000km per annum each.

Regards
Shane
 
jmt Assistant Commissioner

I was emailed some prices from the States a couple of weeks back, so this will give some ideas on International pricing. Brazilian operators seem to set SD40 pricing as there is only a very limited demand for this type of unit (and similar horsepower GE) in North America, apart from the likes of Larry's Autoelectrical for wrecking. Anecdotal stories suggest that the Brazilians pay scrap value plus 15%

EMD 16-645E3B engine, running in good condition $40.000
SW1500 runner, less trucks. $280.000
SW1500, good condition. $300.000
SW1500: New wheels, good condition: $385,000
SD45T-2: Good condition, top deck overhaul, $360.000

Switchers command a better price as there is an established market for s/h industrials

QR sold 10 2100's to Chile in 2001, these were "made good", under-coated, and converted to meter gauge prior to shipment. price paid was $3.2 million for the lot. Unsure if this price was ex Redbank or FOB.

On July 28 there was a report from Guinea posted on the Yahoo Group W-D-L, including notice of 2 locos for sale.
"Co-CoDE CC 1601-02 (EMD GL22C 748002.1-2/1976). These were refurbished in the late 1990s with Japanese aid, for use on an aborted French-backed container dry port project at Km 36. They are now for sale at EUR 270,000 a piece:"

These units have been stored under cover and have not been used since the rebuild. Sister locos to the NZ DF Class

So I would think that the prices being thrown around would be for the lot, not each.
 
Z1NorthernProgress2110 Chief Commissioner

Location: Burnie, Tasmania
RTT rules, they WILL be split up, to share haulage duties, with the other fleet, not ran as a triple set.
 
42101 Banned

Location: Banned
RTT rules, they WILL be split up, to share haulage duties, with the other fleet, not ran as a triple set.
- Z1NorthernProgress2110


Oh but Damien your wrong RTT knows all he even tells us every day on multiple topics.
 
i_know_nothing Train Controller

A Propriety Limited Company has no legal disclosure requirement for its operations. Tasrail's web site is pure civil service, and gives the impression that it is a government department.

All well and good, but someone should tell the Minister that in Pty. Ltd. companies, the directors are responsible for the purchasing decisions, and legally they are not required to go down the farcical and expensive trail of calling EOI's, then tenders, for a handfull of locomotives.

The boards and management of the mainland rail companies must be killing themselves laughing at Apple Isle antics, no wonder all of the two headed jokes.

The Government are control freaks (or the Minister is playing at trains), why would you decree that a nominally private company go through the full civil service procurement procedure, for what should be no more than a $20 to $30 million dollar exercise?

Rail in Tasmania is now obviously seen as a social service, run at a cost to the taxpayer, as two nominally lean and mean private operators have not managed to make profits out of it. How can Tasrail do better, especially if blinkered and strait-jacketed by government governance?

The delays in the procurement (overseas jollies looking at the short-listed builders capacity?), must be adding to the overall cost, and the reason for the purchase of tired iron out of Queensland, to cover delays.
- jmt


Not surprising when you consider that the majority of Tasrail's administration, especially senior, were transferred (probably seconded) from the Department of Infrastructure, Energy and Resources. DIER is a very powerful entity in Tasmania and have a bit of a reputation for being self serving.
 
siroch Locomotive Fireman

This is a very broad assumption to make! Only one senior TasRail manager is ex DIER.
 
i_know_nothing Train Controller

Don't recall saying 'managers'
 
siroch Locomotive Fireman

I don't think the other ex RMB DIER employees who transferred over have much say in the goings on.........
 
RTT_Rules Minister for Railways

Location: Dubai UAE
RTT rules, they WILL be split up, to share haulage duties, with the other fleet, not ran as a triple set.
- Z1NorthernProgress2110


Oh but Damien your wrong RTT knows all he even tells us every day on multiple topics.
- 42101


Damien we had discussed this before and I acknowledged your comment with time will tell. I wouldn't have a clue on compatibilty etc etc, Tasrail will do what Tasrail wants.

42101, I thought you had grown up and ended your brain less irrelevent attacks.

Regards
Shane
 
siroch Locomotive Fireman

I think I'll let that one go through to the keeper.  The less said the better! (probably)
 
Rowallan Junior Train Controller

Location: Cardiff South
Don't recall saying 'managers'
- i_know_nothing


So are you saying that the majority of Tasrail's senior employees are from DIER?
 
i_know_nothing Train Controller

A fair percentage, at least initially until more people came onboard, and there was more than one manager unless there has been significant attrition recently. If nothing else, there must have been a substantial transfer of culture and process as PN left nothing behind. Tasrail is still overseen by DIER in any case. The state owns the infrastructure, Tasrail is the lessee and manager. DIER administer the lease for the minister, as well as administer any government policy decisions in regard to Tasrail.
This is all way off topic anyway. 2150D and 2151D should be in Launceston tomorrow?
 
Z1NorthernProgress2110 Chief Commissioner

Location: Burnie, Tasmania
I thought they headed up to East Tamar yesterday. Thats my understanding.
 
theesp Train Controller

Arrived there last night I believe.
 
SPSD40T2 Chief Commissioner

Location: Platform 9-3/4 and still waiting !!
Have those locos come out to play yet ? Would have thought theyd have been dead headed to a workshop for inspection and such by now .

No ?
 
Z1NorthernProgress2110 Chief Commissioner

Location: Burnie, Tasmania
Your kidding right? They will be having a full inspection, when they have time. Then they will be painted into the TasRail livery. They will be out before xmas so i have been told.
 
SPSD40T2 Chief Commissioner

Location: Platform 9-3/4 and still waiting !!
Your kidding right? They will be having a full inspection, when they have time. Then they will be painted into the TasRail livery. They will be out before xmas so i have been told.
- Z1NorthernProgress2110

No Im not kidding .. I didnt ask if theyve been pressed into service....you can read I take it in between youyr grand standings ??

Having been  reassembled I would have expected them to be moved ( dead headed) to just as you suggest a place of Inspection , and then eventually put into gainful employ.  I see NO reason why a full paint job is required  before they can earn their keep.  Simply overpainting the QR logo and a quick TR decal will suffice initially.. Or do they need to be pretty for you ??
 
duttonbay Minister for Railways

So when you say "Have those locos come out to play yet?" you don't mean released into service? That's the way I read that question.
 
Z1NorthernProgress2110 Chief Commissioner

Location: Burnie, Tasmania
SPSD40T2, i don't understand what you mean. Really i don't.
The were hauled dead attached on Tuesday evening to East Tamar workshops. My understanding is that, they weren't in use when brought. Been stored for quite sometime so a full inspection is needed. Also, cause they will be used a lot when in service, TasRail are quite happy to splash there corporate livery before full service.

You have to understand how TasRail operates. Its not what i think, its whats been told to me.
 
SPSD40T2 Chief Commissioner

Location: Platform 9-3/4 and still waiting !!
Damien we're sort on the same page and I apologise as I misunderstodd , in that I hadnt noted they had alreday been assembled and moved already  to Tamar.. that was what I was inferring. Hauled dead to a proper inspection and certificatoin, my bad.

Given time required for proper paint jobs  it seems silly to wait until each is adorned before earning a buck. Not uncommon at all for railways to press locos into service and rotate through the paint shop.
 
Z1NorthernProgress2110 Chief Commissioner

Location: Burnie, Tasmania
They would be certainly tested all over the state, except the Melba line, to test there performance before earning a few smackaroos. TasRail are trying to rid itself from the old PN days, hence all locos getting a coat of paint. Its sorta rebrands itself as a proper heavy haulage railway.
 
ebr1 Junior Train Controller

i think you'll find that they have had a very short time out of traffic , and so are ready to run .
they have some minor plumbing/electrical alterations to be done and then they will be straight into traffic , no paint job.
should only be a few weeks..

cheers
 
EMBaldwin Chief Commissioner

Location: Amongst the Cane Fields
My understanding is that, they weren't in use when brought. Been stored for quite sometime so a full inspection is needed.
- Z1NorthernProgress2110

2154 had been stored for a short period while waiting for repairs.  Others have been in use on nickel trains (as was 2154) between Townsville Jetty and Cobarra (Yabulu) Nickel Refinery
 

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