Brighton's New St gates - road is going under

 
  mathewklock Locomotive Driver

Location: Melbourne
Just found this on the Leader newspaper website:

http://bayside-leader.whereilive.com.au/news/story/its-going-under/

THE road at Brighton’s New St gates rail crossing is going underground, with work expected to start next year.

A multi-million-dollar underpass will be constructed beneath the Sandringham train line to allow traffic to turn right from Beach Rd into New St.

The crossing was closed by the former Labor government after two accidents within 18 months. Brighton state Liberal MP Louise Asher said it would be unsafe to allow traffic to turn right across the tracks, so there was no point converting the former manual heritage-listed gates to electronic automated boom gates.

>>What do you think of the grade separation plan for the New St crossing? Leave a comment below.

She said State Government policy was to grade separate trains and traffic wherever possible.

“Going underground is the option, the trend is to put crossings underground,” Ms Asher said. “It is unsafe to reopen the gates - the option of boom (gates) was looked at, but no right turn would be allowed.

“We are hoping work will be starting next year.”

Ms Asher said no cost could be put on the large-scale project, but it would be well in excess of the $2 million already pledged.

She said more accurate budgeting would be available when results of soil testing, which was done last month, were known.

The gates were indefinitely closed in 2007 after a train crash.

In 2010, then Labor Transport Minister Martin Pakula declared they would stay shut permanently, angering many motorists.

New St gates campaigner Graeme Disney said a grade separation would be a great outcome. “If (this) can be achieved, it is a great solution,” Mr Disney said. “It opens up the access, which is vital.”

Hampton St is also set to undergo a revamp, with the State Government funding a project to resurface the busy retail strip next year.

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  heisdeadjim Chief Commissioner

Good idea.

But, as always, I will remain skeptical until the occupation is announced.
  Highrise Assistant Commissioner

Wouldn't it just be easier to put all the Yuppies under instead?
  MadProfessor Station Master

Location: Bendigo
Wouldn't it just be easier to put all the Yuppies under instead?
"Highrise"


Hahaha 6 feet enough?
  Speed Minister for Railways

I am very sceptical too.

I think that it's a bad idea. Unlike, the grade-separations around Richmond, with which New Street was compared, there are other level crossings around Hampton. In particular, South Road is a large level-crossing.

If they're seriously going to separate a level-crossing, it would make sense to separate South Road. Separating New Street would create a rat run of people avoiding South Road.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
It will be an interesting construction project.  
The water table is not far down, and I think they'll need extensive dewatering and/or well-pointing while it's being built.
  heisdeadjim Chief Commissioner

I think I was one of the nuffies who said they'd never grade sep Nunawading because it'd cost too much.

Then not only did they do it, but I was working that occupation  Twisted Evil

So I ain't gonna call it specifically either way.
  Brendan03 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
It will be an interesting construction project.  
The water table is not far down, and I think they'll need extensive dewatering and/or well-pointing while it's being built.
"Valvegear"


That's what I was thinking... Given the proximity to the beach, I imagine this could be problematic and I don't know if they'd be able to raise the line through that section, given the NIMBYs... but who knows.
  574M White Guru

Location: Shepparton
I'm with Speed. South Road is far more important.

I did post elsewhere that Minister Mulder had two projects approved; one for access to Terang Races, and this one, which was #223 on the list for priority improvements to Level Crossings. Lemme find it.

Found it. Here: http://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11363548.htm

Video has the news.
  Sprinterfresh Train Controller

Location: Knox or the Surf Coast
Really? They want to drop New Street (!) and leave South Road (!!) in place?

Who won the tender to supply DOT with crack?
  sparkdriver Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Doesn't this level crossing rank way way down the priority list for grade separations? I would have thought there would be many many more urgent ones to do first.
  wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria
Really? They want to drop New Street (!) and leave South Road (!!) in place?

Who won the tender to supply DOT with crack?
"Sprinterfresh"

In other news, Ted Baillieu will be burning $20 million of uncirculated $100 notes on the steps of parliament this afternoon.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
It will be an interesting construction project.  
The water table is not far down, and I think they'll need extensive dewatering and/or well-pointing while it's being built.
"Valvegear"


That's what I was thinking... Given the proximity to the beach, I imagine this could be problematic and I don't know if they'd be able to raise the line through that section, given the NIMBYs... but who knows.
"Brendan03"


Grade separating New street would ruin the street scape.

To grade separate It, South Road would need to be done at the same time and the whole street scape would then be turned on It's head (fully redeveloped)

I don't think locals would like that.
  tranzitjim Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
Would the solution be to elevate the railway?
  Sprinterfresh Train Controller

Location: Knox or the Surf Coast
The solution is the status quo for New Street (maybe pretty it up a bit) and looking at grade sep for South Road.

Look:


Going the other way means going down to Hampton St or up to Were St,  taking a minute or two longer, but if South Road were grade sepped then I'm guessing that a right turn from Beach Road into South Road could be provided at the same time.
  712M Chief Commissioner

Here's a crazy idea, put boom gates on New St Surprised
  Michaelje Chief Commissioner

Really? They want to drop New Street (!) and leave South Road (!!) in place?

Who won the tender to supply DOT with crack?
"Sprinterfresh"

In other news, Ted Baillieu will be burning $20 million of uncirculated $100 notes on the steps of parliament this afternoon.
"wongm"


That seems more appropriate
  thekingoffoxes Chief Train Controller

I used to drive though the gates to get to Brighton and i drive past them now nearly every day (and catch the train through them!), while the current setup isn't really a big issue i can't see a problem with blocking right turns - south road IS just a very minor detour. Personally i think putting in standard boom gates would ruin the heritage value and that maybe a setup like balarat should be implemented. A grade separation for New St OR South Road is a complete overkill!
  Bullucked Assistant Commissioner

Doesn't this level crossing rank way way down the priority list for grade separations? I would have thought there would be many many more urgent ones to do first.
"sparkdriver"


McKinnon Road McKinnon may be more urgent?????
  Brendan03 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
I used to drive though the gates to get to Brighton and i drive past them now nearly every day (and catch the train through them!), while the current setup isn't really a big issue i can't see a problem with blocking right turns - south road IS just a very minor detour. Personally i think putting in standard boom gates would ruin the heritage value and that maybe a setup like balarat should be implemented. A grade separation for New St OR South Road is a complete overkill!
"thekingoffoxes"


I don't see why they don't just close the crossing altogether and put in "Heritage looking" automatic predestrian gates.
Heck, The Upfield line has managed to deal with it okay.
  574M White Guru

Location: Shepparton
I used to drive though the gates to get to Brighton and i drive past them now nearly every day (and catch the train through them!), while the current setup isn't really a big issue i can't see a problem with blocking right turns - south road IS just a very minor detour. Personally i think putting in standard boom gates would ruin the heritage value and that maybe a setup like balarat should be implemented. A grade separation for New St OR South Road is a complete overkill!
"thekingoffoxes"


A good point.




I don't see why they don't just close the crossing altogether and put in "Heritage looking" automatic predestrian gates.
Heck, The Upfield line has managed to deal with it okay.
"Brendan03"


You have a good solution here Brendan03, and make an absolutely appropriate reference to what has been done on the Upfield like.  

Problem is, this is a political issue for the locals. Here is the link in the Bayside Leader, with the Liberal promise to reopen the crossing: here

And the Greens

There you have it.

  Speed Minister for Railways

If I were to say that there was one level crossing on the Sandingham line that needed to be separated, it would be South Road. Glen Eira Road might warrant separation.

That movements along a railway line are limited so as to avoid long delays at level-crossings is a common argument for more grade-separations.

Any other level-crossing on the Sandringham line could easily be avoided by motorists and doesn't warrant any restriction on the number of train movements allowed on that line.
  historian Deputy Commissioner

It would be interesting to see the plans for a road underpass at New St.

The Beach Road intersection is about 10 metres from the line, so no room for an approach ramp on the west side. Presumably this means that Beach Road will be lowered as well to provide the ramps. The cyclists will be happy Smile

It will also be interesting to see how they retain road access to the properties on the east side of the line for the ramp there. New St is not wide enough for a ramp and access roads.

An elevated line would not be feasible - it would ruin the sea views from the properties on the east side of the line. Given the likely money involved, the residents would make the government's life hell and use every legal angle to delay and derail the project.
  stefowefo Chief Train Controller


An elevated line would not be feasible - it would ruin the sea views from the properties on the east side of the line. Given the likely money involved, the residents would make the government's life hell and use every legal angle to delay and derail the project.
"historian"

What about a lowered line?
  Brendan03 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney

An elevated line would not be feasible - it would ruin the sea views from the properties on the east side of the line. Given the likely money involved, the residents would make the government's life hell and use every legal angle to delay and derail the project.
"historian"

What about a lowered line?
"stefowefo"


I think lowering the line would be a bad idea personally. As has already been mentioned, The water table isn't very far below and you wouldn't want to have another case of a flooding risk to the Railway. Shutting off roads during storms isn't all that unusual and doesn't affect as many people because alternate routes can be taken, unlike the Railways.

Need I bring this up?
[bigimg]http://www.vicsig.net/infrastructure/stations/20110204-win-flooded-up.jpg[/bigimg]
Link: http://www.vicsig.net/photo/20110204-win-flooded-up.jpg (Copyright Vicsig/Chris Gordon etc)

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