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M636C Minister for Railways

Has the second shrink-wrapped unit been moved?

What is the number on this unit?

The USA transit markings were NREX followed by the Qube number

NREX 1101 was photographed at Tulsa (Oklahoma) on 18/10/2011

If the second loco in the first shipment is not 1101, then there is another vessel due shortly, as 1101 would have arrived Houston about the 20th.
- jmt


A couple of pages back EFB 5800 said in a photo caption:

"And 1101 being lifted of the boat. Not much to see today and not the weather for it."

The photo showed a wrapped loco. Perhaps he read the numbers on the wrap.

M636C
 
Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
As has been reported elsewhere on the internet (I'm surprised it's not made it here, I thought it would be here first), 1103 did a trial run on Cowan Bank with GL110 yesterday. GL110 was required to assist the unit into the refuge at Cowan, where it waited for an up OSCar to pass it, before continuing.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/raichase/sets/72157628171121487/with/6410376301/
 
wn514 Chief Commissioner

Location: at a skyhooks concert living in the 70's
are you saying that train drivers dont worry about safety?
- wn514


Not at all, as we all want safety and to go home after a shift - in all professions!

What I am saying is train drivers are generally not from an Engireeing Background when it comes to Safety design for loco cabs. Righty so, Drivers will deserve and choose the best ergonomics and features.

The undispuable evidence was with the NR loco contract for NRC. They had two option;
1 - A fully ugly and unergonomic safety cab, like that on the new QUBE locos
2 - The union selected cab that is part of the current NR.

No disrespect to anyone on the Cab Committee in the day, but when it comes to a major derailment, I prefer my chances in option 1!

Can you imagine a collision between a string of empty container skels and an NR and compare that to the new QUBE loco. I can see the wagons going through the front of the NR into the cab at about chest height and bouncing up and over the front of the QUBE locos!

Or how about the recent incident with the GL and the wheet wagons at merging roads. It looks like the desktop would halved somone at the navel sitting in the Observers seat, had they been there at the time!
- cuthbert
what qualifications do you have that means you can come up with these assumptions mate. there are protections built into short or stub nosed locos it is just that they are not as obvious to the casual observer.
 
cuthbert Train Controller

what qualifications do you have that means you can come up with these assumptions mate. there are protections built into short or stub nosed locos it is just that they are not as obvious to the casual observer.
- wn514


OK, Im totally wrong! I used common sense for my comments and I appologies to all that have been offended!

No way in the world will "safety cell technology" and "angled deflection" of objects be safer than "straight-on" impact absorbsion" in a head-on situation!

Sorry again!
 
TheLoneGunMan Assistant Commissioner

Location: At NF88.7 taking pictures
Hi All,

Well they are different. I have heard that these locos will be used on new services that Qube/POTA/SSRS are doing to the north west of NSW. And before someone shoots me down, my info is from the horses mouth so to speak.

TLGM
 
wn514 Chief Commissioner

Location: at a skyhooks concert living in the 70's
what qualifications do you have that means you can come up with these assumptions mate. there are protections built into short or stub nosed locos it is just that they are not as obvious to the casual observer.
- wn514


OK, Im totally wrong! I used common sense for my comments and I appologies to all that have been offended!

No way in the world will "safety cell technology" and "angled deflection" of objects be safer than "straight-on" impact absorbsion" in a head-on situation!

Sorry again!
- cuthbert
i am not having a go at you mate. all i did was ask what qualifications you have to make those assumptions. have a look at the following links. these trains collided head on at nearly 50kph, there were 5 locos and over 150 wagons involved and the cabs stood up to the impact pretty well while the frames of three of the locos were severely bent. the crews were shaken but not hurt. http://flickr.com/photos/wn514/page17/
http://flickr.com/photos/wn514/page18/
http://flickr.com/photos/wn514/page19/
http://flickr.com/photos/wn514/page20/
wal.
 
cuthbert Train Controller

Every colission is different. My fear is a skel platform that has left it's bogies and is sitting in the air, point straight at the cab windows of a loco, well above the frame level!

Anyay, not a common incident, so let it rest!
 
Wrigleys Train Controller

Every colission is different. My fear is a skel platform that has left it's bogies and is sitting in the air, point straight at the cab windows of a loco, well above the frame level!

Anyay, not a common incident, so let it rest!
- cuthbert


And when was the last time an event such as described has occurred, if you and others are so worried about such an event happening maybe you all should look for a different line of work or hobby if it scares you so much.
 
Big J Chief Train Controller

Location: In Paradise
He did say:

Anyay, not a common incident, so let it rest!
- cuthbert
 
Highrise Assistant Commissioner

As has been reported elsewhere on the internet (I'm surprised it's not made it here, I thought it would be here first), 1103 did a trial run on Cowan Bank with GL110 yesterday. GL110 was required to assist the unit into the refuge at Cowan, where it waited for an up OSCar to pass it, before continuing.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/raichase/sets/72157628171121487/with/6410376301//quoteNice shots there Raichase.

Can I nominate this thing as the single most ugliest front end in history? I have a sudden urge to hit repeatedly with a sledge hammer.
- Raichase
 
jmt Assistant Commissioner

What Raichase's photos have indicated (first sighted of RHS) is that the locomotive is not carrying a builders plate

Will NREC Australia attach their own plate just prior to handover?

NREC plates have the provision for 2 different dates, a completion date incorporated into the serial number, and a delivery date
 
stevfam Station Master

Its actually nice to see a new locomotive that isnt a clone of the NR, lets face it they arent the most attractive looking either.

Give me a Bulldog, or an EL or AN anyday, now an EL cab with a hood body, oh yeah
 
stevfam Station Master

Its actually nice to see a new locomotive that isnt a clone of the NR, lets face it they arent the most attractive looking either.

Give me a Bulldog, or an EL or AN anyday, now an EL cab with a hood body, oh yeah
 
pjknife Assistant Commissioner

Location: Port Lincoln
The November 2011 issue of "Railroads Illustrated" (formerly "CTC Board") has a photo of 1108 in undercoat on a test run on the Evansville Western Rly in Illinois. It is identified as an NREC "Australian diesel locomotive (model unknown)", which is not a lot of help.
 
UP9372 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Banned
Comments from posters in the USA about NREC indicate they are a fairly secretive bunch. Do not know why. Maybe their executives were former CIA people.
 
M636C Minister for Railways

I spoke to an NREC representative at Ausrail last week, where, as I posted earlier, they had video of the QUBE locomotives under construction and answered those questions I asked.

On the other hand, also at Ausrail, Motive Power indicated that they couldn't answer many questions about their locomotives for CBH Watco because the customer didn't want early publicity.

In NREC's case I don't think they are being particularly secretive.

The best locomotive details available were from CSR, who had a brochure on the new SCT CSR class with a sectional diagram, and two models on show.

In the case of the NREC locomotives, we know the engine, alternator, motors, dynamic brakes, weight and length. It is probably a model E-3300 if that means anything, going by the system they use for other units.

M636C
 
jmt Assistant Commissioner

Comments from posters in the USA about NREC indicate they are a fairly secretive bunch. Do not know why. Maybe their executives were former CIA people.
- UP9372


Until the death of Lawrence Beal on September 6 last year, NREC could be probably viewed as a glorified momma and poppa company. It is still a private corporation held by the Beal Family, with son Steven L. Beal now President and Chairman of the Board.

From statuary returns to the Surface Transportation Board, it would appear that their floor plan is leased (from "The Private Bank and Trust Company as Administrative Agent and as a Lender"). So I guess that the capitalisation of the company by the Family is minimal, and it functions on borrowed and leased capital.

It is secretive because it is a private company, with few statuary requirements, and no listing rules, that require any public disclosure.
 
EFB5800 Chief Train Controller

Location: Oficina Curtisianos
Has the second shrink-wrapped unit been moved?

What is the number on this unit?

The USA transit markings were NREX followed by the Qube number

NREX 1101 was photographed at Tulsa (Oklahoma) on 18/10/2011

If the second loco in the first shipment is not 1101, then there is another vessel due shortly, as 1101 would have arrived Houston about the 20th.
- jmt


A couple of pages back EFB 5800 said in a photo caption:

"And 1101 being lifted of the boat. Not much to see today and not the weather for it."

The photo showed a wrapped loco. Perhaps he read the numbers on the wrap.

M636C
- M636C


Good afternoon all. I've been off the air for a few days, not sure if this has been cleared up anywhere. Here's a pic of that same unit being detached from the crane.

 
jmt Assistant Commissioner

Thanks EFB5800

NREC 1101, that was the unit photographed in transit to Houston

1108 is the other unit photographed (in primer) undergoing track testing in Illinois

I think that we can now accept that at least 1101 to 1108 will all be standard gauge
 
SPSD40T2 Chief Commissioner

Location: Platform 9-3/4 and still waiting !!
Is there anything in particular that would make the cabs , as depicted on  NREC's own site for thier E _series  unsuitable for OZ.  Lokk a damn site better than those oddball things they sent...jmho Smile
 
M636C Minister for Railways

I think that we can now accept that at least 1101 to 1108 will all be standard gauge
- jmt


Given that they weigh 132 tonnes, I think we can assume that all the 1100s are standard gauge.

Any narrow gauge units will have to weigh about 120 tonnes or less.

The cab looks like it might fit the loading gauge in Queensland.

A lighter version with smaller fuel tanks, or a lower powered 12 cylinder version might be built for narrow gauge.

It looks like the cab might be a modification of the EL/RL style cab used on other NREC units to meet more stringent collision requirements....

M636C
 
AustinNichols Station Master

As 1103 + GL106 trialled to Morisset today I think it reasonable to assume the QUBE locos are standard gauge.

The nose could only be loved by an operator of RLs and VLs.
 
freightgate Chief Commissioner

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Rumour is there have been some issues already.

--Bill
 
Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
Rumour is there have been some issues already.
- freightgate


Well, it was unable to lift the load on Cowan Bank without GL110 being fired up to assist. Obviously all new locomotives will have teething problems initially, hopefully they can iron the bugs out.
 
Titfield Locomotive Fireman

Railcorp TOC Waiver 106-314 clearly stated 1101 - 1108.

Thanks EFB5800

NREC 1101, that was the unit photographed in transit to Houston

1108 is the other unit photographed (in primer) undergoing track testing in Illinois

I think that we can now accept that at least 1101 to 1108 will all be standard gauge
- jmt
 

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