[ABC] Two trapped as train derails in cyclone flooding

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bevans - Administrator Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia

Interesting what a little research will turn up. Given the line to the north is closed untilbridge repairs can be completed freight now now going by road. Toll will charge 30% more for the freight to move on road and not rail. So rail is cheaper.

http://www.railpage.com.au/news/article-10038/

Then I found this gem: http://www.railpage.com.au/news/article-1407/


Regards Brian

 
Galron Deputy Commissioner

Location: Werribee, Vic
called profiteering i belive. The public comment will likaly cause the ACCC to have a look at it, so they can say that they did, and ignore it like they seem to do.
 
bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: On a freight train to crazy town

called profiteering i belive. The public comment will likaly cause the ACCC to have a look at it, so they can say that they did, and ignore it like they seem to do.
- Galron


Rail is considerably cheaper than road on this corridor (and many others), so if everything has to go by road in the interim, how are Toll supposed to make up the shortfall?

How is it profiteering?

Why would the ACCC need to be involved?

 
YM-Mundrabilla Chief Commissioner

Location: Mundrabilla or Narvik if I get half a chance



Interesting what a little research will turn up. Given the line to the north is closed untilbridge repairs can be completed freight now now going by road. Toll will charge 30% more for the freight to move on road and not rail. So rail is cheaper.

http://www.railpage.com.au/news/article-10038/

Then I found this gem: http://www.railpage.com.au/news/article-1407/


Regards Brian

- bevans


Interesting - I was going to ask the same question myself.

Are trains running to/from Katherine (or wherever) or has the whole show shut up shop and everything is road  from Adelaide or Alice Springs (wherever)?

 

 
bevans - Administrator Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
BH I agree that rail is cheaper.  Why then did paul little mislead the public by stating it was expensive? It would appear that by using rail he is getting a cheaper service.

Regards
Brian
 
splod Junior Train Controller

Location: Darwin, NT

BH I agree that rail is cheaper. Why then did paul little mislead the public by stating it was expensive? It would appear that by using rail he is getting a cheaper service. Regards Brian
- bevans


To be fair to Paul Little/Toll, that Age article was from 2004.  It may be that at that time the increased rail charges were much closer to the road costs.  (Or it may have been that he was just bleating to try to further line his own pockets - talk is cheap Smile)

However by now going public with the 30% figure the rail industry has a fair indication how much room there is to manouver next time their rates are reviewed Wink
 

 
Hendo Deputy Commissioner


I agree with slod but also see bevans point that rail was under priced even back in 2004.

 

But the real point is that the referencing of news articles is poor, can we please include the source link and DATE on eacha article.

 

 

Cheers,

hendo

 
cascade39 Junior Train Controller


Have to agree with both the two last posts....

To compare a "newly constructed" railway line ( & pricing) which has since gone broke & then is operated by a different company over seven years later is just irrelevant.

Whats worse is that the evolving RP News Page (which is starting to look GREAT) gave the impression that this News was "4 days old" yesterday morning.

It was listed in the "Weeks most popular Stories" in the top LHS corner..marvelous new initiative..... with the "4 days old" ageing.

As mentioned above the News articles need to have a date published clearly displayed on that screen......
 
splod Junior Train Controller

Location: Darwin, NT



As mentioned above the News articles need to have a date published clearly displayed on that screen......
- cascade39


 

I thought the same thing.  I have reposted our comments to the RP3 Feedback thread in the Railpage Australia forum.

Cheers

 
Galron Deputy Commissioner

Location: Werribee, Vic


Posted January 07, 2012 15:41:21
Train derails south of Darwin Photo: Oz Minerals have until February to clean-up the spill. (ABC TV)
Related Story: Waterways test safe after train derailment spill
Related Story: Rivers tested for derailment copper spill spread
Map: Katherine 0850

A mining company has been ordered to clean up the site of a train derailment in the Northern Territory.

About 1,200 tonnes of the toxic mineral ore copper concentrate was washed from a freight train into a river north of Katherine during a flash flood last week.

WorkSafe says the material is a health and environmental hazard.

It has given Oz Minerals until the end of the month to transport any remaining material to the South Australian border.

Oz Minerals has been given special permission to transport the ore in tarpaulin covered wagons, even though this practice is now banned.

WorkSafe says the rules have been relaxed so the copper concentrate can be quickly taken to the South Australian border.

It says it is worried wet season rain and storms will wash the remaining ore into the river.
- A user

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-01-07/miner-ordered-to-clean-up-train-spill/3762322
 
RTT_Rules Minister for Railways

Location: Dubai UAE
2004, diesel was abit cheaper than today and this was at the time the line was open so perhaps the trucking industry tried to compete and lowered charges.

Also note that over the last 8 years since the line opened, much of the previous trucking industry that plyed the hwy from Alice to Darwin has dissappeared onto other jobs. So the trucks doing the work now and doing extra work, brought in from elsewhere, drivers sleeping in hotels. ie this is spot rates. Close the Syd-Mel line over night and see what the short notice trucking rates become.

Regards
Shane
 
Nightfire Chief Commissioner

Location: Gippsland
2004, diesel was abit cheaper than today and this was at the time the line was open so perhaps the trucking industry tried to compete and lowered charges.

Also note that over the last 8 years since the line opened, much of the previous trucking industry that plyed the hwy from Alice to Darwin has dissappeared onto other jobs. So the trucks doing the work now and doing extra work, brought in from elsewhere, drivers sleeping in hotels. ie this is spot rates. Close the Syd-Mel line over night and see what the short notice trucking rates become.

Regards
Shane
- RTT_Rules


Rail has something like a 90 % market share on the Adelaide - Darwin corridor (long haul)
 
prwise Station Master


called profiteering i belive. The public comment will likaly cause the ACCC to have a look at it, so they can say that they did, and ignore it like they seem to do.
- Galron


Rail is considerably cheaper than road on this corridor (and many others), so if everything has to go by road in the interim, how are Toll supposed to make up the shortfall?

How is it profiteering?

Why would the ACCC need to be involved?

- bingley hall


Visited Katherine yard on Saturday. One long consist in from south with over  60 containers being unloaded by one only container fork lift. Real estate to park containers will be tight. Outside yard about 15 trucks (all triples) with containers to be unloaded and counted another dozen heading south on drive up to Darwin. Drivers sleeping in cabs with engines running for A/C.  With these sorts of delays I think we can see where the extra cost is.

Another Linde container fork was being assembled / repaired nearby. Should speed things up when complete

There was a lot of activity in adjacent track maintenance yard. Lots of sleepers being unloaded, a dozer clearing more space for storage and about a dozen operatives running around.

Have some shots I will try and post later
 
prwise Station Master




Interesting what a little research will turn up. Given the line to the north is closed untilbridge repairs can be completed freight now now going by road. Toll will charge 30% more for the freight to move on road and not rail. So rail is cheaper.

http://www.railpage.com.au/news/article-10038/

Then I found this gem: http://www.railpage.com.au/news/article-1407/


Regards Brian

- bevans


Interesting - I was going to ask the same question myself.

Are trains running to/from Katherine (or wherever) or has the whole show shut up shop and everything is road  from Adelaide or Alice Springs (wherever)?

- YM-Mundrabilla


Just drove up from Adelaide over last 4 days. Appears to be no extra truck traffic south of Katherine, but a lot of triples with containers on road north of Katherine. See other post re activity at Katherine yard - very busy and chaotic 

 
mikado5910 Train Controller

Location: Kurri Kurri NSW

G'day all,
 
Katherine this morning
 
CLF5/GWA5 on 2DA2 awaiting arrival of the Ghan.
 
7AD8  with NR109/AN2 arrived at the southern end of Katherine loop at about 09.15. Then drew forward to the southern end of the platform, while the shunter drove up and around the back of DA2, then slowly moved forward into the platform.
 
DA2 seemed to be just underway as I left for breakfast with my family.
 
Bobcat and other equipment frantically clearing an extension to the shunter's access road on the eastern side of the line.
 
The second container lift still under repair - the Beaurepaire truck arrived with at least one new tyre.
 
About ten road trains queued awaiting access to Katherine Freight Terminal.
 
Two G&W staff staying in rooms adjacent to ours at the motel - asked them about train codes - the reply "Keep it simple, so we stuck with AD/DA".
 
Regards,
Graham
 
mikado5910 Train Controller

Location: Kurri Kurri NSW

Evening all,
 
Katherine today
 
2.15pm Katherine Station
 
AN2/NR109 3DA8 The Ghan awaiting arrival of passengers from Darwin.
 
FQ03/VL[obscured] in freight terminal refuelling from road tanker.
 
Work proceeding on expansion of hard standing within terminal area - lots of Suffren side-tip road trains bringing in fill.
 
Then a road trip to Edith River.
 
Large mobile crane working on the south bank. Many road trains sighted transporting rock and other fill to the site. GM47 adjacent to Edith Falls level crossing northside with CQXY wagons loaded with ore kibbles- more CQXYs south of the crossing.
 
Looks like the estimate of track restoration by the end of the month might not be over-ambitious.
 
Return to Katherine Yard about 3.45pm.
 
3DA8 awaiting the last coachloads from Darwin.
 
FQ03 and VL have disappeared. Gone north to retrieve some rollingstoc from Edith River?
 
Photos from yesterday and today now at http://www.flickr.com/photos/46164991@N03/with/6677616283/

 
Regards,
Graham
 
Nightfire Chief Commissioner

Location: Gippsland
What happened to the loco's that made It across the bridge ?

Did they derail ?

Are they back at Berrimah ?
 
Pressman Minister for Railways

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Thanks for the updates Graham (mikado5910)

Must be a gunzel dream holiday to be there at the right place and at the right time   Razz
 
mikado5910 Train Controller

Location: Kurri Kurri NSW
Katherine this morning


09.30


FQ03/VL353/crew car at Darwin end of the freight consist in the freight loop, which then snaked back onto the platform road.


GM47 at Darwin end of CQXYs with ore kibbles on the platform road adjacent to the freight loop, obviously retrieved by the FQ/VL combo from Edith River yesterday evening.


Going to be an interesting shunt to get the crew car at the Adelaide end of DA2, and then attach the locos.


Many concrete sleepers stacked on the eastern side of the line. The bobcat was working in the sleeper dump adjacent to the freight yard. Obviously damaged sleepers had been separated out, and suitable ones were being placed on a low-loader.


I'll be here till early Saturday morning, but don't know how much of an update will happen tomorrow morning, as my son is moving into his new Defence Force house, and we are down to help.  


Graham          
      
 
Wiseone Locomotive Fireman

Location: Darwin. NT
What happened to the loco's that made It across the bridge ?

Did they derail ?

Are they back at Berrimah ?
- Nightfire



All locos derailed during the incident. They have been re-railed, but are still at the site.
 
freightgate Chief Commissioner

Location: Albury, New South Wales
 
mikado5910 Train Controller

Location: Kurri Kurri NSW

Last report from Katherine, as we head south again early Saturday morning.

 

Friday 2.45pm

GWA004/CLP14 on 3AD1 in the freight loop, with the tail of the train stretching back into the platform road.

 

GM47 in the same position as Thursday, with one empty CQXY. The remaining wagons had obviously departed south on 4DA2 behind VL353/FQ03.

 

The second container loading forklift has been repaired and is now back in the freight terminal. Earthworks for the extra hard-standing area within the terminal appear to be complete.

 

A canvas shelter over a cleared area of ground has now been erected adjacent to the freight terminal approach road, giving the road train drivers a bit of shade should they elelct to leave their cabs.

 

A couple of blokes from MacMahon were checking into our resort this evening, and have been booked in for at least two weeks. They were not hopeful of being away from here even then. The place has about three-quarters of its rooms booked out to G&W people and workers from the assorted contractors. Given that the Wet is usually slow for accommodation providers it's been a bit of a bonanza.

 

Regards

 

Graham

 
Pressman Minister for Railways

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Thanks for your reports Graham
 
bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: On a freight train to crazy town
ATSB has released final report on bridge collapse and derailment 

http://www.atsb.gov.au/media/4014109/RO2011019_Final.pdf
 
mikesyd Deputy Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Interesting read. 

Amazing how the Locos managed to ride the suspended rail and get across the bridge. The crew must still have the shivers when they approach any bridge.

Hard to shaft anyone really, and it seems they havent, as the river was higher than ever recorded, and far higher than observed by the preceeding train, but its good that steps are being taken to ensure that such a flood doesnt go unnoticed if it happens again.
 

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