SWRL Construction Progress

 
  wurx Lithgovian Ambassador-at-Large

Location: The mystical lost principality of Daptovia
If I'm not mistaken, Leppington was built that way to accomodate future expansion out west possibly towards Badgerys Creek should the population increase warrant it i.e. build it big now before the rail corridor and ROW is taken over by roads/housing.
Route548

From a logical POV, that's eminently believable - but not under this asrehole Garv Mint.

My guess would be, that that might take place under the next NSW ALP Garv Mint - assuming of course that by then they've thoroughly exorcised any remaining Eddie demons and that it's not merely yet another pie crust promise.

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  normw Junior Train Controller

Watched that. So much grey around the track, then again the green patches will come in time if missed by the weed killer spray.
I was surprised to see checkrails on the bridges as that's not a typical feature down here. Also to these Victorian eyes, Leppington station appears a bit overkill; four platforms at a terminus in an area which if it was in Melbourne would be served by a one or two platform station. Though I like the design of it more with it's mid platform access than some of our new or redeveloped ones.
ARodH

Check rails are still 'standard' in N.S.W., and nominallly used on anything considered a 'bridge' AFAICT (see for example my pix of the N.F.O. and S.F.O. at Glenfield.), with the 'V' at both ends of the check-rails if the track has bi-directional signalling.

Am inclined to also think Glenfield and Leppington are a tad overbuilt, with the concourses higher than needed, the weather roofs too high (effective only in heavy fog or very light rain); Glenfield seems scaled to suit an M.C.G.-sized stadium on the Hurlstone school grounds; the space between tracks 2/3 at Leppington translates into a wider concourse & roof. Given that Badgery's Creek or Narellan extensions were not even mentioned in the line's overview, and even current proposals put junctions at places other than Leppington, it is likely the 4 platforms were intended to support close-following trains ending or starting at Leppington (Rossmore) at some 'future' South-West peak hour rush. There is enough concrete used along the 11.4 km's it at least gives plausibility to the final cost.
  normw Junior Train Controller

Based on a Channel 7 report last night (1/1/15) (unconfirmed AFAICT by Gov't media release), the SWRL is to commence public operation on Sunday February 8th, which will likely be the date the Transport Minister travels (again) to Leppington to unveil any plaque, and generally do (again) what political entities are expected to  do. Wether real services commence for the common folk with train 2 on the 8th or train 1 on the 9th is unclear.

Edit: An item in today's (2/1/15) 'Daily Telegraph' says the first train to leave Leppington is at 5.06am daily and the last train from Liverpool will be at 11.58pm; can't see the Transport Minister being up at 5.06am so assume the 8th. is the 'Official Opening' and regular services will be from the 9th.

Edit: Now a Gov't Media Release: See here: http://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/media-centre

Jan 2nd: "South-West Rail Link opens to customers in February 2015 - one year ahead of schedule and $300m under budget."

(They do like to keep mentioning this, even though most credit for the 'savings' is likely  due to the contractors.)
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
If I'm not mistaken, Leppington was built that way to accomodate future expansion out west possibly towards Badgerys Creek should the population increase warrant it i.e. build it big now before the rail corridor and ROW is taken over by roads/housing.
"Route548"


Normally, the ROW is preserved early on if they believe a railway will some day be built. I did say normally!
  ivahri Train Controller

It wouldn't take a genius to have known 5-10 years ago that the line wouldn't end at Rossmore. Any of us who have lived in the area and witnessed the opening up of massive estates between Narellan, Oran Park, Harrington Park, knew they were going to be just the start. There are now new estates between Denham Court Rd and Raby Rd which are starting to see new residents- the only question was will it go directly from Bringelly to Luddenham/Badgerys Creek, or via Oran Park and then through Bringelly? This is a massive population boom- potentially larger than Canberra.

The 4 platforms will not be wasted...

Cheers


Richard
  normw Junior Train Controller

It wouldn't take a genius to have known 5-10 years ago that the line wouldn't end at Rossmore. Any of us who have lived in the area and witnessed the opening up of massive estates between Narellan, Oran Park, Harrington Park, knew they were going to be just the start. There are now new estates between Denham Court Rd and Raby Rd which are starting to see new residents- the only question was will it go directly from Bringelly to Luddenham/Badgerys Creek, or via Oran Park and then through Bringelly? This is a massive population boom- potentially larger than Canberra.

The 4 platforms will not be wasted...
ivahri


Who'd have guessed we'd breed so fast? A likely need for inter-airport transfers should keep that link as short as  practical; a branch coming off the SWRL west of Leppington heading south to the likes of Narellan, Mt. Annan and a join back to the main, south of Macarthur, (and which would likely include the estates mentioned by 'ivahri' and others still being developed) has also been mooted. The S.S.F.L. could need a tweak if that eventuated.
  normw Junior Train Controller

Four weeks today, the first public journeys will have already been completed from Leppington to Liverpool (unclear what demand for a Liverpool->Leppington service will exist at this time of day, save train enthusiasts!). While the Gov't jiggles the opening date for its own benefit, it is busy working on the closing date of another section of line, apparently also for its own benefit; net kudos equals zero.
  TomBTR Train Controller

Location: near Sydney
While the Gov't jiggles the opening date for its own benefit, it is busy working on the closing date of another section of line, apparently also for its own benefit; net kudos equals zero.
normw
I don't agree. The Government are smarter than than that. Kudos is usually positive or absent, not negative.

The conservatives know that in the Hunter they will get few votes, mainly for other reasons, so they may as well take the opportunity to be "hanged for a sheep as for a lamb" and grab the rail land for their mates while they can.

On the other hand the SWRL will help a few people initially and many more later. Not only those who will travel on it but also many more who would have to share the roads with passengers who otherwise commute by car. Many people who live on the western fringe are swinging voters. Some of them will return to, or stay with, the Liberals as a result.

Net kudos positive.
  normw Junior Train Controller

I assume the Premier & M.f.T. will travel by train to Leppington for the official opening on February 8th., (at a guess a Gov't car to get back to the office); anyone know if there will be additional services to/from Leppington on the 8th following the official launch?
  Redaxe Locomotive Driver

Whats the insider opinion on the SWRL - Its a big investment for what was originally planned to service a few hundred low density houses. Are the population figures going to make it worth the government investment? $2.1 billion could have built a rail line elsewhere that would likely carry a lot more people. Especially considering the growth in areas like Waterloo/Zetland/Alexandria...
  scott4570 Chief Train Controller

Eight (8) by 8S sets have been tabled to be transferred from Auburn Stabling Yard to Leppington Sidings, Thursday Night, January 22, and will Stable until further notice.
These sets will pass through Glenfield from approximately 1930 hours until 0100 hours (Friday Morning).
  normw Junior Train Controller

Whats the insider opinion on the SWRL - Its a big investment for what was originally planned to service a few hundred low density houses. Are the population figures going to make it worth the government investment? $2.1 billion could have built a rail line elsewhere that would likely carry a lot more people. Especially considering the growth in areas like Waterloo/Zetland/Alexandria...
Redaxe
Not an 'insider', but with the S.W.R.L. catering for 1200+ carparks, it was _designed_ to service a LOT more than  'a few hundred low density houses'. FTM it should be able to pull patronage from Gregory Hills/Oran Park, all estates now being built along Camden Valley Way and likely to the west and north of Leppington, plus Denham Court and Edmondson Park estates. That said, wether the line itself is value for money is a question that has been raised elsewhere by others, and defended by the Gov't. See (for example) a news item on this site comparing a new W.A. line to S.W.R.L. .
  ivahri Train Controller

There are already more than a few THOUSAND houses in the area... clearly Redaxe either does not know the area or hasn't been here for some years. There is eventually going to be 200000+ people living in the SW Sydney land release area- I think it justifies the investment...

Cheers


Richard
  Aurora8 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Without doubt it's fantastic the SWRL has been built. It's what should be happening in the first place, build the infrastructure beforehand! North West serves as a permanent reminder of what happens when you don't build the appropriate infrastructure first.

The issue though is whether it had to cost so much in taxpayers money. You'd think they'd built it underground with that kind of cash.
  ivahri Train Controller

It would be comparing apples to oranges to compare this project with rail projects in Perth. The scale of the Glenfield interchange- designed to handle a massive number of commuters changing trains in peak periods, plus two major fly-overs, an underpass under an 8 lane Hume Hwy, major bridge work starting at the climb from Camden Valley Way up to Leppington (including major earthworks where they cut through a decent size hill... compare that to Perth that is dead flat and not designed to handle the number of commuters that this needed to be. Sydney is not Perth... Perth's population is about 1.9million, Sydney's is 4.7million.

And given the fiasco of the M5 East tunnel being built to a capacity that it reached when it was opened do we want such short sightedness applied to rail engineering? I think it is great that some vision has gone into the SWRL, even if it meant the project cost was initially greater because in the longer term it will delay the need for upgrades.

Congrats to the companies who built this line... we should be proud of the quality of work delivered.

Cheers


Richard
  normw Junior Train Controller

Eight (8) by 8S sets have been tabled to be transferred from Auburn Stabling Yard to Leppington Sidings, Thursday Night, January 22, and will Stable until further notice.
These sets will pass through Glenfield from approximately 1930 hours until 0100 hours (Friday Morning).
scott4570
Thanks for the info. I assume these sets are either to free up space in the Auburn Stabling Yard, or perhaps for driver training trips commencing at Rossmore rather than Liverpool? I couldn't see these being for the Leppington/Liverpool shuttle, surely!?
  normw Junior Train Controller

It would be comparing apples to oranges to compare this project with rail projects in Perth. The scale of the Glenfield interchange- designed to handle a massive number of commuters changing trains in peak periods, plus two major fly-overs, an underpass under an 8 lane Hume Hwy, major bridge work starting at the climb from Camden Valley Way up to Leppington (including major earthworks where they cut through a decent size hill... compare that to Perth that is dead flat and not designed to handle the number of commuters that this needed to be. Sydney is not Perth... Perth's population is about 1.9million, Sydney's is 4.7million.

And given the fiasco of the M5 East tunnel being built to a capacity that it reached when it was opened do we want such short sightedness applied to rail engineering? I think it is great that some vision has gone into the SWRL, even if it meant the project cost was initially greater because in the longer term it will delay the need for upgrades.

Congrats to the companies who built this line... we should be proud of the quality of work delivered.

Cheers

Richard
ivahri
Never been west of Adelaide, so no idea of the Perth environs or what the line used for comparison looks like up close. The one thing that did strike me when I watched the 'Open Day' vblog was our line gives the impression of being finely manicured, and the visible standard of work IS something to be proud of. Building a line through a rural (initially) area is relatively straight forward; it's a shame previous governments hadn't shown as much forethought before abandoning the additional stations and lines originally envisaged for the C.B.D., likely now too late to install.
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
Thanks for the info. I assume these sets are either to free up space in the Auburn Stabling Yard, or perhaps for driver training trips commencing at Rossmore rather than Liverpool? I couldn't see these being for the Leppington/Liverpool shuttle, surely!?
normw
The Leppington to Liverpool shuttle trains will be 4-car M Sets.
  scott4570 Chief Train Controller

On Friday Night, January 23, Empty train sets will start to roll into Leppington Yard to Stable until Sunday Morning, January 25.

From Sunday Morning onwards, Leppington Yard will begin as an overnight and daytime Stabling location 7 days a week.

On Weekends and Public Holidays, the equivalent of seven (7) 8 car sets will commence and finish, each day, in Leppington Yard.
On Weekdays, the equivalent of nine (9) 8 car sets will commence and finish, each day, in Leppington Yard.
During the daytime hours on Weekdays, seven (7) 8 car sets will stand between the morning and afternoon peaks.
Also, continuing with Weekdays, another 8 car set will enter the Leppington Yard and remain on "Standby" from 0400 hours until 2000 hours, each day.

From February 8, one of the 8 car sets that start and finish in the Yard, each day, will be the Millennium train that will then commence and finish as the two (2) 4 car sets which will provide the Passenger service on the Line.
  scott4570 Chief Train Controller

Eight (8) by 8S sets have been tabled to be transferred from Auburn Stabling Yard to Leppington Sidings, Thursday Night, January 22, and will Stable until further notice.
These sets will pass through Glenfield from approximately 1930 hours until 0100 hours (Friday Morning).
scott4570
From Sunday, January 25, Auburn Stabling Yard will commence as a Stabling Facility, eleven (11) roads each able to accommodate 8 cars.

Also, from Sunday, January 25, Leppington Yard/Sidings, together with Auburn Stabling Yard, will become new Crewing Depots replacing Liverpool and reducing Flemington MC.

When services on the Leppington Line are fully integrated with the rest of the system, up to the equivalent of twenty (20) 8 car train sets can be Stored at this Location (10 Storage roads each able to accommodate 16 cars).

With trains commencing to run in and out of the Leppington Yard each day, from January 25, together with the S sets residing in the Sidings, the Storage of trains at this location will be somewhat at capacity and hence "Full" Security arrangements should be in place from that date.
  normw Junior Train Controller

On Friday Night, January 23, Empty train sets will start to roll into Leppington Yard to Stable until Sunday Morning, January 25.

From Sunday Morning onwards, Leppington Yard will begin as an overnight and daytime Stabling location 7 days a week.

On Weekends and Public Holidays, the equivalent of seven (7) 8 car sets will commence and finish, each day, in Leppington Yard.
On Weekdays, the equivalent of nine (9) 8 car sets will commence and finish, each day, in Leppington Yard.
During the daytime hours on Weekdays, seven (7) 8 car sets will stand between the morning and afternoon peaks.
Also, continuing with Weekdays, another 8 car set will enter the Leppington Yard and remain on "Standby" from 0400 hours until 2000 hours, each day.

From February 8, one of the 8 car sets that start and finish in the Yard, each day, will be the Millennium train that will then commence and finish as the two (2) 4 car sets which will provide the Passenger service on the Line.
scott4570
Thanks to 'Raichase' and 'scott4570' for putting all the info in the public record; trackside watchers will now have some idea what all the movements going on will be about.

I'm guessing any train that starts from Rossmore Yard PRIOR to Feb 8th. won't stop at Leppington or Edmondson Park, hence Glenfield would be the first stop for pickup? Since Rossmore becomes a 'stabling yard', there might be occasions when a train starting from Rossmore might have to run non-stop to some 'distant' location to start a scheduled service?
  Redaxe Locomotive Driver

There are already more than a few THOUSAND houses in the area... clearly Redaxe either does not know the area or hasn't been here for some years. There is eventually going to be 200000+ people living in the SW Sydney land release area- I think it justifies the investment...

Cheers


Richard
ivahri
Long time since I was familiar with that area so I guess it has changed. A part of me is sad to Sydney the nice fertile soils around be turned from market gardens into suburban sprawl but I guess that's progress.
I do remember from my time using the East Hills Line that it has possibly boasts the best reliability for the outer suburban lines now with the Kingsgrove-Revesby Quad & the Southern Sydney Freight Line. It certainly enjoys the fastest average speed of the suburban lines I think. For instance a northshore train leaving Wahroonga takes nearly the same time a train does from Campbelltown to reach the city and the distance from Campbelltown is nearly double...

I suppose the Leppington trains will run all stops to Revesby then express to city whilst the Campbelltown trains will go all stops to Glenfield then express to city leaving the Revesby terminator to take the rest of the carriage in the inner surburbs.
That is actually quite a good configuration and it certainly is a lot less messy than the Northern & Western Lines. It still baffles me that building a trainline for a several kilometers in open country can cost over 2 billion but I guess the interchanges and flyovers must certainly must take the brunt of the cost.
  scott4570 Chief Train Controller

I'm guessing any train that starts from Rossmore Yard PRIOR to Feb 8th. won't stop at Leppington or Edmondson Park, hence Glenfield would be the first stop for pickup? Since Rossmore becomes a 'stabling yard', there might be occasions when a train starting from Rossmore might have to run non-stop to some 'distant' location to start a scheduled service?
normw

Just to clarify.

The train sets that run Empty in and out of Rossmore, will generally commence and finish their Passenger service at
either Glenfield or Liverpool. There are a few variations where trains will run Empty to and from other Locations.
This will start from Sunday, January 25, and will apply to Weekdays and Weekends, until further notice.

From Sunday, February 8, the Passenger Shuttle service, between Leppington and Liverpool, will commence with the
two (2) 4 car Millennium sets.
The Empty sets, running in and out of Rossmore, will not provide any service between Leppington and Glenfield.
  normw Junior Train Controller

Just to clarify.

The train sets that run Empty in and out of Rossmore, will generally commence and finish their Passenger service at
either Glenfield or Liverpool. There are a few variations where trains will run Empty to and from other Locations.
This will start from Sunday, January 25, and will apply to Weekdays and Weekends, until further notice.

From Sunday, February 8, the Passenger Shuttle service, between Leppington and Liverpool, will commence with the
two (2) 4 car Millennium sets.
The Empty sets, running in and out of Rossmore, will not provide any service between Leppington and Glenfield.
scott4570
Thanks for the clarification. Exactly what I expected, even if my last mail didn't say it as clearly.
  normw Junior Train Controller

As per latest Gov't media release dated today (Jan 30), a bit over a week to the 'official' opening day of services (Feb 8th) on the line whose construction in the Sydney environs is still rare and been followed here with due dilligence by a number of people for 3+ years .... wither to now? Pretty sure I won't make the first train on the 8th, but hope to be at Glenfield by 8.30am or so, and will be in the front of the first train that arrives after that, that claims to be going to Leppington... assuming there's room. Smile

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