Port Lincoln notes

 
  phower Chief Commissioner

Location: Over on Kangaroo Island Sth Aust
So what is left that runs at Pt Lincoln ..?? and can be used ? ... and not fit to run ?..

why on earth don't they fix the line over to the west to make it workable and speed a bit healthier.. On the crew ... what speed do they limp along at ..?? 20 kph must cost a fortune in wasted fuel let alone wages ...

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  duttonbay Minister for Railways

It would be a waste of shareholders money to upgrade the line between Wudinna and Penong Junction. There's no traffic other than the transferring locos.  The amount of money to upgrade the line would, I expect, pay for many, many such transfers to be made on a low-loader.
  phower Chief Commissioner

Location: Over on Kangaroo Island Sth Aust
It would be a waste of shareholders money to upgrade the line between Wudinna and Penong Junction. There's no traffic other than the transferring locos. The amount of money to upgrade the line would, I expect, pay for many, many such transfers to be made on a low-loader.
duttonbay

Well that's like saying , it aint broke till an accident happens ... and they have had over that way before ..... its a wonder work safe has not pounced on them ??? but $$$$ before lives or accident MMmm !!!!!!!!
  JimYarin Chief Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, South Australia
So what is left that runs at Pt Lincoln ..?? and can be used ? ... and not fit to run ?..

why on earth don't they fix the line over to the west to make it workable and speed a bit healthier.. On the crew ... what speed do they limp along at ..?? 20 kph must cost a fortune in wasted fuel let alone wages ...
phower


over what distance is the transfer of locomotives?  are we talking many kms?
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Well that's like saying , it aint broke till an accident happens ... and they have had over that way before ..... its a wonder work safe has not pounced on them ??? but $$$$ before lives or accident MMmm !!!!!!!!
phower

When was the last accident involving serious injury or a fatality on the EP due to track condition?

Date and details please.
  phower Chief Commissioner

Location: Over on Kangaroo Island Sth Aust
When was the last accident involving serious injury or a fatality on the EP due to track condition?

Date and details please.
bingley hall

NO when or any thing else  Bingley      but It could ?? that is my question  and you should know , you have it at your finger tips !!
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

over what distance is the transfer of locomotives?  are we talking many kms?
"JimYarin"

Locos are transferred between Port Lincoln and Thevenard, 430 Km.  The section of track which is only used for transfers (Wudinna-Penong Jct) is 230 Km.
  pjknife Assistant Commissioner

Location: Port Lincoln
Most of the trackage used by grain trains has a 50 km/h speed limit. Ballasting, resleepering and continuous welding of rails was undertaken on much of this in the last decade.

The periodic transfers between Wudinna and Penong Jn only do 5 - 10 km/h for that whole distance, hardly fast enough to do any damage if a derailment occurs. The term "fit for purpose" is applicable here.

Peter
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

Is terminal boredom an OH&S issue?
  Gayspie Assistant Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, SA
Hi,
is the track THAT bad that you need to run at a snails pace of 5kph over it when transfers are undertaken?

and how often do locos go between port Lincoln and Ceduna and vice versa?
  SAR520SMBH Junior Train Controller

Periodically Heath, periodically.
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

The Thevenard depot can handle all the routine stuff, but if anything needs attention it has to go to Port Lincoln.  So it's as required - there's a good chance that pjknife has documented many such transfers in this thread, so a scan through the 6 pages would give you a feel for the frequency.
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

It would be cheaper to make a special road vehicle to transfer the locos sans bogies than to improve the track.

Ideas flowing. Replace the rail bogies with road bogies with tow bars under the aprons and make the rear bogie steerable.

Ian
  hosk1956 Deputy Commissioner

Location: no where near gunzels
Perhaps the crew at Pernong Jct. get the loco moving and hop off then call the Wudinna crew and tell them it is on the way, the Wudinna crew can have a good night sleep and catch it when it arrives and vice versa. Smile

Wayne
  kipioneer Chief Commissioner

Location: Aberfoyle Park
Or pick mushrooms!
Back in the sixties I caught the railcar from Port Lincoln to Cummins and at one siding the guard talking to Control was directed to stop mid section and pick mushrooms.   Not wanting to disobey Control we stopped a little way further on and the driver hopped out for the mushrooms.
  lkernan Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
It would be cheaper to make a special road vehicle to transfer the locos sans bogies than to improve the track.
Ideas flowing. Replace the rail bogies with road bogies with tow bars under the aprons and make the rear bogie steerable.
Ian
steam4ian


Seems someone agrees with you.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/93013338@N04/8605297732/
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Seems someone agrees with you.
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"lkernan"

Yes I remember that set up, it was used to transfer the 830's between Adelaide and Devonport (and vice versa) via the MV Mary Hollyman roll-on roll-off ship. There were at least two of these set ups, as I can remember two 830's being loaded on board one trip from Adelaide.
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

Perhaps the crew at Pernong Jct. get the loco moving and hop off then call the Wudinna crew and tell them it is on the way, the Wudinna crew can have a good night sleep and catch it when it arrives and vice versa. Smile

Wayne
hosk1956

love it Wayne. Laughing

These days with GPS transponders they could even keep track of it and ring the Wudinna crew when it was getting close.

As long as nobody turned the transponders off; then we would have to send a P3 Orion out to look for it.
  Guard Class 2 Chief Commissioner

Location: Elizabeth,South Australia
But who would blow the whistle at the many rail crossings between Wudinna and Penong Jct.?
As there is no regular rail traffic, I'm sure the locals would have adopted the attitude "I don't need to stop/look for trains as they don't run here anymore."

LaughingLaughingLaughing
  hosk1956 Deputy Commissioner

Location: no where near gunzels
But who would blow the whistle at the many rail crossings between Wudinna and Penong Jct.?
As there is no regular rail traffic, I'm sure the locals would have adopted the attitude "I don't need to stop/look for trains as they don't run here anymore."

LaughingLaughingLaughing
Guard Class 2

A simple modification to the locos in that a long lever that activates the horn is fitted to the side of the loco, put some star droppers before each crossing that will hit on said lever and blow the horn, just like a Triang train set.

Sorry Peter K, we are derailing your otherwise excellent thread with silliness.  Smile


Wayne
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

It gets better!

After the tension and agro of the last few weeks I think we all need a chance to let off steam and enjoy each others' company.

Laughing
  hosk1956 Deputy Commissioner

Location: no where near gunzels
It gets better!

After the tension and agro of the last few weeks I think we all need a chance to let off steam and enjoy each others' company.

Laughing
steam4ian

Too right.

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  Gayspie Assistant Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, SA
or once it is travelling on its own, REMOTELY sound the horn from a control panel in the Ceduna OTC satellite tracking station. Very Happy
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
or once it is travelling on its own, REMOTELY sound the horn from a control panel in the Ceduna OTC satellite tracking station. Very Happy
"Heath Loxton"


That "tracking" station has been under the control of a University for years, used for research.
  pjknife Assistant Commissioner

Location: Port Lincoln
Sorry Peter K, we are derailing your otherwise excellent thread with silliness. Smile
hosk1956

What would an Eyre Peninsula thread be without derailments!  

No worries, I'm thoroughly enjoying the creativity.

Peter

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