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      phower Chief Commissioner

    Location: Over on Kangaroo Island Sth Aust
    So what is left that runs at Pt Lincoln ..?? and can be used ? ... and not fit to run ?..

    why on earth don't they fix the line over to the west to make it workable and speed a bit healthier.. On the crew ... what speed do they limp along at ..?? 20 kph must cost a fortune in wasted fuel let alone wages ...
    Posted: 20 Mar 2014 13:12

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      duttonbay Minister for Railways

    It would be a waste of shareholders money to upgrade the line between Wudinna and Penong Junction. There's no traffic other than the transferring locos.  The amount of money to upgrade the line would, I expect, pay for many, many such transfers to be made on a low-loader.
    Posted: 20 Mar 2014 13:19
      phower Chief Commissioner

    Location: Over on Kangaroo Island Sth Aust
    It would be a waste of shareholders money to upgrade the line between Wudinna and Penong Junction. There's no traffic other than the transferring locos. The amount of money to upgrade the line would, I expect, pay for many, many such transfers to be made on a low-loader.
    duttonbay

    Well that's like saying , it aint broke till an accident happens ... and they have had over that way before ..... its a wonder work safe has not pounced on them ??? but $$$$ before lives or accident MMmm !!!!!!!!
    Posted: 20 Mar 2014 13:29

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      JimYarin Chief Commissioner

    Location: Adelaide, South Australia
    So what is left that runs at Pt Lincoln ..?? and can be used ? ... and not fit to run ?..

    why on earth don't they fix the line over to the west to make it workable and speed a bit healthier.. On the crew ... what speed do they limp along at ..?? 20 kph must cost a fortune in wasted fuel let alone wages ...
    phower


    over what distance is the transfer of locomotives?  are we talking many kms?
    Posted: 20 Mar 2014 13:39
      bingley hall Minister for Railways

    Location: Last train to Skaville
    Well that's like saying , it aint broke till an accident happens ... and they have had over that way before ..... its a wonder work safe has not pounced on them ??? but $$$$ before lives or accident MMmm !!!!!!!!
    phower

    When was the last accident involving serious injury or a fatality on the EP due to track condition?

    Date and details please.
    Posted: 20 Mar 2014 14:42

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      phower Chief Commissioner

    Location: Over on Kangaroo Island Sth Aust
    When was the last accident involving serious injury or a fatality on the EP due to track condition?

    Date and details please.
    bingley hall

    NO when or any thing else  Bingley      but It could ?? that is my question  and you should know , you have it at your finger tips !!
    Posted: 20 Mar 2014 17:50
      duttonbay Minister for Railways

    over what distance is the transfer of locomotives?  are we talking many kms?
    "JimYarin"

    Locos are transferred between Port Lincoln and Thevenard, 430 Km.  The section of track which is only used for transfers (Wudinna-Penong Jct) is 230 Km.
    Posted: 20 Mar 2014 19:06
      pjknife Assistant Commissioner

    Location: Port Lincoln
    Most of the trackage used by grain trains has a 50 km/h speed limit. Ballasting, resleepering and continuous welding of rails was undertaken on much of this in the last decade.

    The periodic transfers between Wudinna and Penong Jn only do 5 - 10 km/h for that whole distance, hardly fast enough to do any damage if a derailment occurs. The term "fit for purpose" is applicable here.

    Peter
    Posted: 20 Mar 2014 21:06
      steam4ian Chief Commissioner

    Is terminal boredom an OH&S issue?
    Posted: 20 Mar 2014 22:23
      Gayspie Assistant Commissioner

    Location: Adelaide, SA
    Hi,
    is the track THAT bad that you need to run at a snails pace of 5kph over it when transfers are undertaken?

    and how often do locos go between port Lincoln and Ceduna and vice versa?
    Posted: 21 Mar 2014 12:42
      SAR520SMBH Junior Train Controller

    Periodically Heath, periodically.
    Posted: 21 Mar 2014 13:06
      duttonbay Minister for Railways

    The Thevenard depot can handle all the routine stuff, but if anything needs attention it has to go to Port Lincoln.  So it's as required - there's a good chance that pjknife has documented many such transfers in this thread, so a scan through the 6 pages would give you a feel for the frequency.
    Posted: 21 Mar 2014 13:23
      steam4ian Chief Commissioner

    It would be cheaper to make a special road vehicle to transfer the locos sans bogies than to improve the track.

    Ideas flowing. Replace the rail bogies with road bogies with tow bars under the aprons and make the rear bogie steerable.

    Ian
    Posted: 21 Mar 2014 13:52
      hosk1956 Deputy Commissioner

    Location: no where near gunzels
    Perhaps the crew at Pernong Jct. get the loco moving and hop off then call the Wudinna crew and tell them it is on the way, the Wudinna crew can have a good night sleep and catch it when it arrives and vice versa. Smile

    Wayne
    Posted: 21 Mar 2014 16:44
      kipioneer Chief Commissioner

    Location: Aberfoyle Park
    Or pick mushrooms!
    Back in the sixties I caught the railcar from Port Lincoln to Cummins and at one siding the guard talking to Control was directed to stop mid section and pick mushrooms.   Not wanting to disobey Control we stopped a little way further on and the driver hopped out for the mushrooms.
    Posted: 21 Mar 2014 17:29
      lkernan Deputy Commissioner

    Location: Melbourne
    It would be cheaper to make a special road vehicle to transfer the locos sans bogies than to improve the track.
    Ideas flowing. Replace the rail bogies with road bogies with tow bars under the aprons and make the rear bogie steerable.
    Ian
    steam4ian


    Seems someone agrees with you.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/93013338@N04/8605297732/
    Posted: 21 Mar 2014 18:04
      Pressman Spirit of the Vine

    Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
    Seems someone agrees with you.
    (photo snipped)
    "lkernan"

    Yes I remember that set up, it was used to transfer the 830's between Adelaide and Devonport (and vice versa) via the MV Mary Hollyman roll-on roll-off ship. There were at least two of these set ups, as I can remember two 830's being loaded on board one trip from Adelaide.
    Posted: 21 Mar 2014 19:01

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      steam4ian Chief Commissioner

    Perhaps the crew at Pernong Jct. get the loco moving and hop off then call the Wudinna crew and tell them it is on the way, the Wudinna crew can have a good night sleep and catch it when it arrives and vice versa. Smile

    Wayne
    hosk1956

    love it Wayne. Laughing

    These days with GPS transponders they could even keep track of it and ring the Wudinna crew when it was getting close.

    As long as nobody turned the transponders off; then we would have to send a P3 Orion out to look for it.
    Posted: 22 Mar 2014 00:04
      Guard Class 2 Chief Commissioner

    Location: Elizabeth,South Australia
    But who would blow the whistle at the many rail crossings between Wudinna and Penong Jct.?
    As there is no regular rail traffic, I'm sure the locals would have adopted the attitude "I don't need to stop/look for trains as they don't run here anymore."

    LaughingLaughingLaughing
    Posted: 23 Mar 2014 19:17
      hosk1956 Deputy Commissioner

    Location: no where near gunzels
    But who would blow the whistle at the many rail crossings between Wudinna and Penong Jct.?
    As there is no regular rail traffic, I'm sure the locals would have adopted the attitude "I don't need to stop/look for trains as they don't run here anymore."

    LaughingLaughingLaughing
    Guard Class 2

    A simple modification to the locos in that a long lever that activates the horn is fitted to the side of the loco, put some star droppers before each crossing that will hit on said lever and blow the horn, just like a Triang train set.

    Sorry Peter K, we are derailing your otherwise excellent thread with silliness.  Smile


    Wayne
    Posted: 23 Mar 2014 20:29
      steam4ian Chief Commissioner

    It gets better!

    After the tension and agro of the last few weeks I think we all need a chance to let off steam and enjoy each others' company.

    Laughing
    Posted: 23 Mar 2014 20:45

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      hosk1956 Deputy Commissioner

    Location: no where near gunzels
    It gets better!

    After the tension and agro of the last few weeks I think we all need a chance to let off steam and enjoy each others' company.

    Laughing
    steam4ian

    Too right.

    (thumbs up emiticon)
    Posted: 23 Mar 2014 20:49
      Gayspie Assistant Commissioner

    Location: Adelaide, SA
    or once it is travelling on its own, REMOTELY sound the horn from a control panel in the Ceduna OTC satellite tracking station. Very Happy
    Posted: 23 Mar 2014 20:58
      Pressman Spirit of the Vine

    Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
    or once it is travelling on its own, REMOTELY sound the horn from a control panel in the Ceduna OTC satellite tracking station. Very Happy
    "Heath Loxton"


    That "tracking" station has been under the control of a University for years, used for research.
    Posted: 23 Mar 2014 21:09
      pjknife Assistant Commissioner

    Location: Port Lincoln
    Sorry Peter K, we are derailing your otherwise excellent thread with silliness. Smile
    hosk1956

    What would an Eyre Peninsula thread be without derailments!  

    No worries, I'm thoroughly enjoying the creativity.

    Peter
    Posted: 23 Mar 2014 21:14

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