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Madjikthise Chief Train Controller

http://au.news.yahoo.com/vic/latest/a/-/newshome/12971853/vandals-threaten-to-stab-train-driver/
"  In a dramatic escalation of vandalism on Melbourne's rail system, a train driver has been threatened with a knife.
The alleged attack happened at Heyington Station, in Toorak, shortly after the driver stopped at around 6pm yesterday.
The emergency handle on the last carriage had been pulled, and the driver went to investigate.
He was confronted by a gang of vandals in balaclavas spray painting the train.
Seven News has obtained exclusive pictures of the attack - and you can see from the picture below that the carriage was badly damaged.
When the train driver approached them, the group apparently warned 'come any closer and you'll be stabbed'.
Police were called, but the gang ran off, and are still at large.
The incident caused major delays on the Glen Waverley line last night.
The driver is now on stress leave, and the incident has unsettled the local community.
One shocked commuter told 7News: "I feel sorry for the driver, it's pretty terrible to be assaulted like that."
"I think it's dreadful," another commuter added. "I've lived in the area for 30 years and I've never heard of anything like this."
Metro has condemned the attack saying it was well organised, and is a frightening step up in the graffiti war.
Police are investigating the incident.  "


 

And yet there will still be calls to scrap the PSO program and get more station staff who don't even have the power to do anything about someone not having a ticket, let alone anything more serious.

 
tranzitjim Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned

Yes I had seen that report on tonights ch7 news.

Did they trip the 'automatic train stop'?
What other 'emergency handle' would they have?

Perhaps they need some cameras on the side of the cars so the driver can see what is happening while he stays in the cab.

Furthermore, the next time a driver has an emergency handle pulled on them, they need to report that to Metro before they get out of the cab for 'just in case'.

 
heisdeadjim Chief Commissioner

Comparison to the PSOs id spurious as the incident appeared to happen in transit the train stopped - past tense. The PSOs are will be at stations not on trains and also not yet...

first group stsrts in the CBD soonish.

That said, welcome to scrote rule. If the train had stop handles then it also has CCTV. There is a small point to make that while not excusing the scrotes he did put himself in a dangerous position.

 
Victoria-Bitter Junior Train Controller

Location: Banned

Is this really newsworthy? This kinda stuff happens all the time, maybe minus the threatened stabbing part?

Just on last Sunday night, the 20:10 dn Lilydale train (6-car X'Trapolis set) came to a halt halfway between stations while the driver spent 20 minutes getting permission to pass a red signal (announcing there were "signal faults"). Yet funnily enough as soon as it stopped a gang of youths in balaclavas ran out of the bushes and focused on spray painting the last carriage (which I was sitting in).


Some topless drunk idiots inside the train started yelling THOSE GUYS TAGGING ARE FKN MAD THIS GOOD S***S GONNA GO DOWN!! and tried to jump out of the train to assist them in tagging it by trying to jump off from between the cars, but unfortunately despite all their attempts they were unable to break the rubber seal between the cars in order to make way to jump out.

 
Ads Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne

If the train had stop handles then it also has CCTV. There is a small point to make that while not excusing the scrotes he did put himself in a dangerous position.

- heisdeadjim



Not really, correct procedure for the driver would be to check the CCTV feed and if the cause is not seen via this method, then an in-person inspection would be needed. 

 
Braddo Deputy Commissioner

Location: Narre Warren

Wow, that's pretty brazen, especially in peak hour... Hope the f**kwits are caught.

 
Mel Deputy Commissioner

Simple fix for this - 10 years prison. Screw em (for want of a better term).

 
Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood

Forget the PSOs, time to give the driver the gun methinks.

 
Skipdaddyo Chief Train Controller

Location: Living the dream

Yes I had seen that report on tonights ch7 news.

Did they trip the 'automatic train stop'?
What other 'emergency handle' would they have?

Perhaps they need some cameras on the side of the cars so the driver can see what is happening while he stays in the cab.

Furthermore, the next time a driver has an emergency handle pulled on them, they need to report that to Metro before they get out of the cab for 'just in case'.

- tranzitjim


There are emergency door releases in xtraps

Heyington has cameras on the citybound platform but not the glen waverley side - due to the curve

Reporting to Metrol before acting would add minutes, it's not everyday that stuff like this happens...

 
Peter Spyker Train Controller

I think this is somewhat of a beat-up, especially the term "dramatic escalation".

The way Channel 7 news at first portrayed this, I thought the driver must have had a knife held to his throat. All that happened was that they told him they'd stab him if he approached, which sounds like the same cowardly threat you'll get from any testostorone-heavy youth of that disposition.

 So, what we have is kids spray painting a train, and yelling out threats. Move along, nothing to see here. Happens all the time. Sure, stamp it out, but if you go putting it up as front page news, it will only encourage it.

 
Villian Junior Train Controller

Oh come on you know the little darlings are just expressing themselves and at sometime in their early years someone either smacked them or shouted at them. Causing them to now have a latent tendency towards violence. In fact you know its our fault not theirs. We need to send them on a nice all expenses paid holiday to further express themselves, the Bali Hilton might be good idea!

 
T411 - Moderator Moderator

Location: Somewhere

We need to send them on a nice all expenses paid holiday to further express themselves, the Bali Hilton might be good idea!

- Villian


Not a bad idea. Just cancel the return ticket while they are there and no longer our problem Smile

 
wanabetraindrvr Locomotive Driver

just a quick note , the concerned driver made several attempts to contact both the area controller and train control at metrol with no luck until quite a while into this situation . the driver should be commended not pillared as some of you sound

 
heisdeadjim Chief Commissioner

just a quick note , the concerned driver made several attempts to contact both the area controller and train control at metrol with no luck until quite a while into this situation . the driver should be commended not pillared as some of you sound

- wanabetraindrvr

I'm not "having a go". No one for any reason should put themselves in danger. All I was saying that he made an error in judgement. I am well aware of the issues on contacting Metrol - hell I have a SEPAC and sometimes it can take five minutes. To add to the error field radio blackspots and that's understandable.

I once had a train stop at mine, the driver unknown to me or Metrol stopped, cut out, and went down the back to perform a citizen's arrest on some taggers. By this time I has walked out to the front of the train and noticed the driver not there and was a tad confused as to his whereabouts.

 
Madjikthise Chief Train Controller

Comparison to the PSOs id spurious as the incident appeared to happen in transit the train stopped - past tense. The PSOs are will be at stations not on trains and also not yet... first group stsrts in the CBD soonish. That said, welcome to scrote rule. If the train had stop handles then it also has CCTV. There is a small point to make that while not excusing the scrotes he did put himself in a dangerous position.

- heisdeadjim



What? The train was at the station, where the PSOs will be.
CCTV is inside the train, if they pull the handle and get out there is nothing to see. He has to go investigate as it could also be a passenger having a heart attack and is out of frame.
Even if there is nothing there he still has to go reset the handle before the train can move.  

 
tranzitjim Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned

Perhaps we need to remove these emergency stop handles?

 
Skipdaddyo Chief Train Controller

Location: Living the dream

Perhaps we need to remove these emergency stop handles?

- tranzitjim


And let them burn?

 
Gwiwer Rt Hon Gentleman and Ghost of Oliver Bulleid

Location: Loitering in darkest Somewhere

Is this really newsworthy?

- A user



In the context of reporting acts of malicious damage and threatening behaviour yes; on a World scale probably not.


This kinda stuff happens all the time, maybe minus the threatened stabbing part?
- A user



Would you care to support that assertion with some evidence?  Tagging on railway property is all too common but not so much on the trains themselves.  Gangs as opposed to individuals are seldom reported so far as I am aware on the Melbourne system.  The threat of violence is also relatively uncommon and Melbourne's public transport remains a fundamentally safe way to get from A to B. 

 
Brendan03 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney

Gangs as opposed to individuals are seldom reported so far as I am aware on the Melbourne system.

- Gwiwer



You're not very aware, are you?

Quite a lot of Graffiti murals are done by gangs. Many tags such as FTC, which is the only one that comes to mind at the moment, are Graff' gangs.

Much of the larger scale murals are all gang work.

 
Attila76 Junior Train Controller


Would you care to support that assertion with some evidence?  Tagging on railway property is all too common but not so much on the trains themselves.  Gangs as opposed to individuals are seldom reported so far as I am aware on the Melbourne system.  The threat of violence is also relatively uncommon and Melbourne's public transport remains a fundamentally safe way to get from A to B. 

- Gwiwer



I respectfully disagree. There are no shortage of gangs on the network. The large scale murals on trains happen just about every day. Usually they hide and wait for the trains to reach the end of the line, or they mess around with the trips on the tracks to cause the trains to stop, then they move in. In these cases, it's usually at least 3 individuals. How often are they caught? Not very. Drivers aren't going to , nor should they, chase them up the tracks. Police won't have much luck either by the time they arrive, especially if they cover their faces, like they did in this case. What they can do is identify the tags from individuals and gangs who have been previously charged.

I can't count the number of times I've been threatened with a stabbing, bashing, shooting or killing. I stay alert while dealing with them but unless they reach for a weapon or I see it, I'm not too fussed. In all my years, only 4 or 5 people have actually produced a knife or a weapon, only one has made an attempt to use it and did manage to injure me superficially. But for drivers who aren't in jobs that involve confrontation day in, day out, if they threaten you, it's best to act as if they can carry out those threats, especially when you're outnumbered. From what I've heard, it wasn't just the driver that was threatened, it was other passengers as well.

As for PSO's, I don't think stations like Heyington are very high on the list to receive PSO's.

 
Villian Junior Train Controller

Oh for a Government that would really deal with those who threaten or actually use violence in our society in a way to protect the victims and not find excuses for those doing threatening or the actual violence. But unfortunately no one has the balls to take on the do gooders and lets put a label on that behaviour brigade.

 
Braddo Deputy Commissioner

Location: Narre Warren

The threat of violence is also relatively uncommon and Melbourne's public transport remains a fundamentally safe way to get from A to B. 

- Gwiwer


I'm assuming you're referring to during the day... I don't see how anyone could feel safe at night at a lot of stations, I'll use Yarraman & Sandown Park as two particularly bad examples.

As for the PSO's, you'd have to be pretty nieve to think the government will put them where they're actually needed.

 
heisdeadjim Chief Commissioner

where the PSOs will be

- Madjikthise

Eventually, possibly. Not for a long time. First PSOs start tonight at Flinders Street and Southern Cross. When the event happened, as in past tense, it IS correct to say no PSOs. I maintain the driver acted properly EXCEPT putting himself somewhere he shouldn't.

 
sparkdriver Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne

Comparison to the PSOs id spurious as the incident appeared to happen in transit the train stopped - past tense. The PSOs are will be at stations not on trains and also not yet... first group stsrts in the CBD soonish. That said, welcome to scrote rule. If the train had stop handles then it also has CCTV. There is a small point to make that while not excusing the scrotes he did put himself in a dangerous position.

- heisdeadjim



As already mentioned the scumbags in question pulled the emergency door release handle, thus rendering the Xtrap disabled until the handle is reset. In this case the driver has to go and investigate if they want to get the train moving, otherwise you have a flashing doors closed light in the drivers cab, which unless the light is steady you cannot get traction power and continue.

In this scenario drivers are in a no win situation. We are told by Metro and the RTBU not to leave the drivers cab to investigate situations that can put our safety at risk. But in this case, unless you reset the emergency door handle, you cannot get traction power and cannot move the train.

 
loco2301 Chief Train Controller

Remember the fridge magnets - "Be aware not alarmed". 

Isn't this a bit like home grown terrorism what these graffitti gangs are doing to the rest of society?  Maybe it's about time the guvment and lawmakers started taking these graffitti aholes a bit more seriously and stop the problem before they escalate up to the next level.

I bet the paying customers on board the train did not like being inconvenienced in a such a manner, especially going home from work.

 

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