Eureka Blog Update

 
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
I am by no means an expert on NSWGR gear and I will have to seek some photos to make a real assessment of their accuracy etc.

So far they look to be very high quality, and nicely weighted. The roof is removable, revealing a remarkably bright, blue interior, we're going to need some dullcoat and a lot of weathering in there!

VERY nice wheels! 88 profile, small flanges, all very nice. I like the detailing in the brake rigging.

The only thing it looks as though I might need to change is those bloody #5 couplers!! They are the only downside to what looks to be a reasonably fine scale model, I really wish Eureka had supplied #58 at OEM.

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  NSWGR1855 Deputy Commissioner

Clearly there are two types of BCW but as a non-NSWGR person I am a bit confused about which is which ...etc. AMRM seems only to have had one article on BCW's way back in volume 7 no 5 way back in 1975. The NSW rolling-stock web page has nothing (and may be in mothballs as nothing has been posted there since December 2009). Is there any other source of information? 

BTW one of the photos is now showing as an error.

Before we all start bashing poor Ron there are a few other guilty parties such as Traino - 48 class and the GM's and there are a few Auscision models that seem to be on the go slow. Eureka has stated in the past that they will use AMRM to update everyone and as a new issue is due this week (or thereabouts) perhaps we will hear some more - especially about the E wagons and OT's.
"Iain"



There were lots of different types of bogie NSW cattle wagon, most carried the BCW code.

The photographs in this thread so far only show the last 2 types, both are diesel era only.

See http://www.oocities.org/james_mcinerney2000/stockwagons.htm for more details

The Eureka BCW model is the 1974/75 rebuilds of the 1959 BSV's.

Terry Flynn

AMRA standards http://www.amra.asn.au/standards.htm

http://angelfire.com/clone/rail/index.html

H0 wagon weight and locomotive tractive effort estimates

DC control circuit diagrams

H0 scale track and wheel standards

Any scale track standard and wheel spread sheet


  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
I am by no means an expert on NSWGR gear and I will have to seek some photos to make a real assessment of their accuracy etc.

So far they look to be very high quality, and nicely weighted. The roof is removable, revealing a remarkably bright, blue interior, we're going to need some dullcoat and a lot of weathering in there!

VERY nice wheels! 88 profile, small flanges, all very nice. I like the detailing in the brake rigging.

The only thing it looks as though I might need to change is those bloody #5 couplers!! They are the only downside to what looks to be a reasonably fine scale model, I really wish Eureka had supplied #58 at OEM.
"Aaron"



You mean they got rid of the "steam roller" wheels Ha Ha!
I guess we better get Terry to concentrate on "steam roller" couplings then ??
Cheers
Rod
  LaidlayM Chief Commissioner

Location: Research
You mean they got rid of the "steam roller" wheels Ha Ha!
I guess we better get Terry to concentrate on "steam roller" couplings then ??
Cheers
Rod
"comtrain"


I believe that Eureka have always supplied RP25-88 wheels.  Not that I have any of their product yet as they have not delivered any VR product yet.

Mark
  NSWGR1855 Deputy Commissioner

You mean they got rid of the "steam roller" wheels Ha Ha!
I guess we better get Terry to concentrate on "steam roller" couplings then ??
Cheers
Rod
"comtrain"
I believe that Eureka have always supplied RP25-88 wheels. Not that I have any of their product yet as they have not delivered any VR product yet. Mark
"LaidlayM"


That's right, Eureka have always supplied fine scale wheels.  I have lobbied hard to get Eureka to use Kadee scale head couplers, to date no luck. Fortunately the Kadee scale head whisker couplers are easy to fit into Eureka models. I note SDS are supplying their models with Kadee scale head whisker couplers and fine scale wheels.

Terry Flynn

AMRA standards http://www.amra.asn.au/standards.htm

http://angelfire.com/clone/rail/index.html

H0 wagon weight and locomotive tractive effort estimates

DC control circuit diagrams

H0 scale track and wheel standards

Any scale track standard and wheel spread sheet


  Iain Chief Commissioner

Location: Concord, NSW
There is another update basically saying the BCW distribution is almost complete and that the BSW production underway predicting an arrival date of July.

Iain
  John_Bushell Chief Commissioner

Location: Brisbane
There is another update basically saying the BCW distribution is almost complete and that the BSW production underway predicting an arrival date of July.

Iain
"Iain"

Yep, saw that.  Why is it that the only news that we get on there is about stock wagons?  What about the tankers he is supposedly making?  Not to mention old favourites such as, dare I mention it, a certain Hudson type engine for the Vics, HUB set for me, 40 Class again for me and D59s mine also.

Best regards,
John
  brissim Chief Train Controller

Yep, saw that.  Why is it that the only news that we get on there is about stock wagons?  What about the tankers he is supposedly making?  Not to mention old favourites such as, dare I mention it, a certain Hudson type engine for the Vics, HUB set for me, 40 Class again for me and D59s mine also.

Best regards,
John
"John_Bushell


Agree - if Ron has gone to the trouble of a blog about the stock wagons, why not also update the delivery on his other items? I'm also a little fustrated about the HUB sets. I delibrately waited until samples of these were avilable before placing an order/deposit. This was December last year with delivery at that stage of late February. Now - according to the lastest AMRM - its July. I'm certainly not holding my breath.

What annoys me more than a little is that he has the hide to suggest - as per the AMRM - that the production run of the W44 concentrate wagons will be "early 2013". This is before we have seen any test shots, drawings or samples of any kind. Is there anyone on this planet who believes this? While I appreciate that Ron is very much at the mercy of the Chinese factories, surely a bit more reality from Ron himself wouldn't go astray.

Tony
  Dazz Deputy Commissioner

News on all that stuff is in the latest AMRM.

Apparently the sound chips have been delivered to the factory for the R Class to go into production. Delivery of the production run is expected in July/August in time for the Caulfield exhibition.

Also expected in time for Caulfield are the NSWGR NTAF tankers, VR E open wagons, S flat wagons and OT rail tank cars, along with the SAR O open wagons.

Discussions with the factory indicate the 40 Class could be delivered in time for the October Liverpool exhibition, and if not should still be some time on October.

Considering the years of all of the factories not getting stuff delivered on time I cannot believe people still complain about this stuff, seriously, whingeing on here does nothing.

I'm waiting on, fully paid for, 3x 40's, a HUB Set, and a 59, but also a Train'o 48, Auscision 422 (how many projects have guzumped this one people?), and an Austrains 81, so I appreciate what it's like, but gee, they'll get here when they get here, blog updates or not.



  John_Bushell Chief Commissioner

Location: Brisbane
Hey Dazz, 

I was not whingeing thank you.  I merely made a comment that it strikes me as strange that the stock wagons get lots of coverage but nothing else rates a mention.  If that is whingeing soooorrreee. Rolling Eyes

I look forward to the AMRM with great anticipation.  Perhaps it came today.  Will see when I get home tonight.

Best regards,
John
  Albert Chief Commissioner

The stock wagons are probably getting the limelight for the fact they are (insert shock and horror here) THE CURRENT RELEASE. (Que violin skreech)  Twisted Evil
  Iain Chief Commissioner

Location: Concord, NSW
It is useful to remind ourselves that Eureka is not the only manufacturer experiencing delays, there are reports that manufacturers as big as Hornby or Athearn are suffering delays due to problems with various Chinese manufacturers. there are a whole variety of local projects announced years ago that have still to arrive.

Iain
  LaidlayM Chief Commissioner

Location: Research
It is useful to remind ourselves that Eureka is not the only manufacturer experiencing delays, there are reports that manufacturers as big as Hornby or Athearn are suffering delays due to problems with various Chinese manufacturers. there are a whole variety of local projects announced years ago that have still to arrive.

Iain
"Iain"


I bet Hornby didn't take full payment for undelivered models in 05/06 though.

Mark
  a6et Minister for Railways

It is useful to remind ourselves that Eureka is not the only manufacturer experiencing delays, there are reports that manufacturers as big as Hornby or Athearn are suffering delays due to problems with various Chinese manufacturers. there are a whole variety of local projects announced years ago that have still to arrive.

Iain
"Iain"
I bet Hornby didn't take full payment for undelivered models in 05/06 though. Mark
"LaidlayM"


Touche` Ouch!  True.
  Dazz Deputy Commissioner

It is useful to remind ourselves that Eureka is not the only manufacturer experiencing delays, there are reports that manufacturers as big as Hornby or Athearn are suffering delays due to problems with various Chinese manufacturers. there are a whole variety of local projects announced years ago that have still to arrive.

Iain
"Iain"
I bet Hornby didn't take full payment for undelivered models in 05/06 though. Mark
"LaidlayM"


Pretty sure nobody was forced to pay up front and anyone who wanted a refund was able to get one if they no longer wanted to wait? Doesn't change the fact we all assumed they'd arrive sometime close to the expected date, and I'm sure Ron is not one bit happy about it either, as this one projects delays has done more harm to his companies reputation than anything else I dare say.

We all knew about the R Class and 38 Class delays, but if anyone then put money down up front on anything else after that, and now complains, is that not kind of saying something about them? I waited (and waited, and waited, and waited) for my 38, but I still ordered 3x 40's, a HUB Set and a 59, because I want them, knowing well and good that the proposed delivery dates would probably not be met, and probably by a long shot.

I'm not singling anyone out, and I am playing devils advocate, but I'm just saying that the constant pointing out of what we know to be true is getting somewhat boring to read in every single post about Eureka.

Auscision have this golden aura where you can't say anything bad about them, but gee, where's my 422 that was I think their first (or close to it) advertised project? But what can you do, I want one, so I wait, patiently, no point bringing it up in every thread, at least that's my view, for what it's worth, which is no doubt very little!

Anyway, all I'm doing is contributing to the angry mob scenario so I might leave it there  Laughing
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
It is useful to remind ourselves that Eureka is not the only manufacturer experiencing delays, there are reports that manufacturers as big as Hornby or Athearn are suffering delays due to problems with various Chinese manufacturers. there are a whole variety of local projects announced years ago that have still to arrive.

Iain
"Iain"
I bet Hornby didn't take full payment for undelivered models in 05/06 though. Mark
"LaidlayM"


I would also bet that Hornby operates a business overdraft that's an order of magnitude (or two) larger than anyone manufacturing model trains here in AU.

They also don't need pre committed orders to 'test the waters' on a project either.

Where are my GMs? (Not that I am truly bothered by their lack of arrival).
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
It is useful to remind ourselves that Eureka is not the only manufacturer experiencing delays, there are reports that manufacturers as big as Hornby or Athearn are suffering delays due to problems with various Chinese manufacturers. there are a whole variety of local projects announced years ago that have still to arrive.

Iain
"Iain"
I bet Hornby didn't take full payment for undelivered models in 05/06 though. Mark
"LaidlayM"


Pretty sure nobody was forced to pay up front and anyone who wanted a refund was able to get one if they no longer wanted to wait? Doesn't change the fact we all assumed they'd arrive sometime close to the expected date, and I'm sure Ron is not one bit happy about it either, as this one projects delays has done more harm to his companies reputation than anything else I dare say.

We all knew about the R Class and 38 Class delays, but if anyone then put money down up front on anything else after that, and now complains, is that not kind of saying something about them? I waited (and waited, and waited, and waited) for my 38, but I still ordered 3x 40's, a HUB Set and a 59, because I want them, knowing well and good that the proposed delivery dates would probably not be met, and probably by a long shot.

I'm not singling anyone out, and I am playing devils advocate, but I'm just saying that the constant pointing out of what we know to be true is getting somewhat boring to read in every single post about Eureka.

Auscision have this golden aura where you can't say anything bad about them, but gee, where's my 422 that was I think their first (or close to it) advertised project? But what can you do, I want one, so I wait, patiently, no point bringing it up in every thread, at least that's my view, for what it's worth, which is no doubt very little!

Anyway, all I'm doing is contributing to the angry mob scenario so I might leave it there  Laughing
"Dazz"


What he said!
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
I bet Hornby didn't take full payment for undelivered models in 05/06 though. Mark
"LaidlayM"


Nor did Hornby  offer substantial (~20%) discounts for pre-orders.
  John_Bushell Chief Commissioner

Location: Brisbane
I do not have any feelings of angst against the various entrepreneurs who are holding my money.  At the moment there are four of them (Powerline just delivered so down to four from five).  So all this apologist nonsense in defence of the players in the industry is over the top.

My outlook at this stage is that my money is lost - down the drain.  Better than blowing it on pokies, or cancer sticks or the booze so no complaints.  If these people come up with the models in due course then that will be a bonus.  I am sure most of them will, and I have sympathy for the difficulties they experience with their production programs.  If some go belly up and cannot deliver, well that is business.  Tough luck.

Just have to wait to see what transpires.  However, in the meantime I will continue to comment with no malice intended on lack of information disseminated.  If we are not allowed to comment then we are on a slippery down hill slope to the same standards prevailing in the countries where we would not chose to live.  As for the apologists - get real.

Best regards,
John
  kingfisher Chief Train Controller

I do not have any feelings of angst against the various entrepreneurs who are holding my money.  At the moment there are four of them (Powerline just delivered so down to four from five).  So all this apologist nonsense in defence of the players in the industry is over the top.

My outlook at this stage is that my money is lost - down the drain.  Better than blowing it on pokies, or cancer sticks or the booze so no complaints.  If these people come up with the models in due course then that will be a bonus.  I am sure most of them will, and I have sympathy for the difficulties they experience with their production programs.  If some go belly up and cannot deliver, well that is business.  Tough luck.

Just have to wait to see what transpires.  However, in the meantime I will continue to comment with no malice intended on lack of information disseminated.  If we are not allowed to comment then we are on a slippery down hill slope to the same standards prevailing in the countries where we would not chose to live.  As for the apologists - get real.

Best regards,
John
"John_Bushell"


I doubt very much that your money or the money I have payed upfont on outstanding orders from each of the big importers is lost , just be a bit patient instead of scare mongering.
  GT46C-ACe Assistant Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Sometimes even the realists can be paranoid and get it wrong Wink

As far as these manufacturers are concerned I have full trust in them that they could deliver upon their promises (unlike the current govt (yeah my bad...)) and if I was a HO modeller I'd feel safe that money spent with them is money well spent.
  John_Bushell Chief Commissioner

Location: Brisbane
I do not have any feelings of angst against the various entrepreneurs who are holding my money.  At the moment there are four of them (Powerline just delivered so down to four from five).  So all this apologist nonsense in defence of the players in the industry is over the top.

My outlook at this stage is that my money is lost - down the drain.  Better than blowing it on pokies, or cancer sticks or the booze so no complaints.  If these people come up with the models in due course then that will be a bonus.  I am sure most of them will, and I have sympathy for the difficulties they experience with their production programs.  If some go belly up and cannot deliver, well that is business.  Tough luck.

Just have to wait to see what transpires.  However, in the meantime I will continue to comment with no malice intended on lack of information disseminated.  If we are not allowed to comment then we are on a slippery down hill slope to the same standards prevailing in the countries where we would not chose to live.  As for the apologists - get real.

Best regards,
John
"John_Bushell"
I doubt very much that your money or the money I have payed upfont on outstanding orders from each of the big importers is lost , just be a bit patient instead of scare mongering.
"kingfisher"

Who for goodness sake is scaremongering??  Is it forbidden to write on this Page if one does not fawn over the revered names in model railways?  Try to be a little realistic please.

If I make a comment that should not be considered scare mongering.  It is just telling it like it is.

John
  Albert Chief Commissioner

Saying things like you have lost your money when you have not is scare mongering. You can ask for your money back or you can wait, anything but lost.

You talk about being realistic, yet you constantly ask for unrealistic information..."Get real" Rolling Eyes
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
I do not have any feelings of angst against the various entrepreneurs who are holding my money.  At the moment there are four of them (Powerline just delivered so down to four from five).  So all this apologist nonsense in defence of the players in the industry is over the top.

My outlook at this stage is that my money is lost - down the drain.  Better than blowing it on pokies, or cancer sticks or the booze so no complaints.  If these people come up with the models in due course then that will be a bonus.  I am sure most of them will, and I have sympathy for the difficulties they experience with their production programs.  If some go belly up and cannot deliver, well that is business.  Tough luck.

Just have to wait to see what transpires.  However, in the meantime I will continue to comment with no malice intended on lack of information disseminated.  If we are not allowed to comment then we are on a slippery down hill slope to the same standards prevailing in the countries where we would not chose to live.  As for the apologists - get real.

Best regards,
John
"John_Bushell"
I doubt very much that your money or the money I have payed upfont on outstanding orders from each of the big importers is lost , just be a bit patient instead of scare mongering.
"kingfisher"

Who for goodness sake is scaremongering??  Is it forbidden to write on this Page if one does not fawn over the revered names in model railways?  Try to be a little realistic please.

If I make a comment that should not be considered scare mongering.  It is just telling it like it is.

John
"John_Bushell"


If you, or anyone else, has pre-paid (deposit or full amount)  for a model that has not yet been delivered and are frustrated by the delays, or feel the company may not deliver, or is worried about any other 'my money is lost - down the drain' scenario, then write / phone the company(s) in question and request your funds be returned. Eureka has made it clear in each newsletter they have no problems with such requests, as have other companies.  If you or any one else feel they will not see their paid for models then you (or said other persons) would be foolish to not make all attempts to get your money back ASAP. No point waiting for the feared announcement as by that time it will be too late. Ask for your money NOW, and then in a weeks time when its back in your hands you'll be able to sleep a lot better.
  kingfisher Chief Train Controller

I do not have any feelings of angst against the various entrepreneurs who are holding my money.  At the moment there are four of them (Powerline just delivered so down to four from five).  So all this apologist nonsense in defence of the players in the industry is over the top.

My outlook at this stage is that my money is lost - down the drain.  Better than blowing it on pokies, or cancer sticks or the booze so no complaints.  If these people come up with the models in due course then that will be a bonus.  I am sure most of them will, and I have sympathy for the difficulties they experience with their production programs.  If some go belly up and cannot deliver, well that is business.  Tough luck.

Just have to wait to see what transpires.  However, in the meantime I will continue to comment with no malice intended on lack of information disseminated.  If we are not allowed to comment then we are on a slippery down hill slope to the same standards prevailing in the countries where we would not chose to live.  As for the apologists - get real.

Best regards,
John
"John_Bushell"
I doubt very much that your money or the money I have payed upfont on outstanding orders from each of the big importers is lost , just be a bit patient instead of scare mongering.
"kingfisher"

Who for goodness sake is scaremongering??  Is it forbidden to write on this Page if one does not fawn over the revered names in model railways?  Try to be a little realistic please.

If I make a comment that should not be considered scare mongering.  It is just telling it like it is.

John
"John_Bushell"


If you, or anyone else, has pre-paid (deposit or full amount)  for a model that has not yet been delivered and are frustrated by the delays, or feel the company may not deliver, or is worried about any other 'my money is lost - down the drain' scenario, then write / phone the company(s) in question and request your funds be returned. Eureka has made it clear in each newsletter they have no problems with such requests, as have other companies.  If you or any one else feel they will not see their paid for models then you (or said other persons) would be foolish to not make all attempts to get your money back ASAP. No point waiting for the feared announcement as by that time it will be too late. Ask for your money NOW, and then in a weeks time when its back in your hands you'll be able to sleep a lot better.
"Poath Junction"


And then don't complain if the models sell out quickly on arrival and you mis out.

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