O'Farrell announces Bathurst to Sydney daily rail service

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moonetau Junior Train Controller

I'd like to know where they are going to get a spare Endeavour set. The Southern Highlands and Hunter can't really afford to lose a set, not sure about South Coast.

- bowralcommuter



On BusAustralia, they said that there are spare Endeavours in the Hunter, as there are enough Hunter Railcars.

- boxythingy





Looks like my source is wrong then, going by that info. Next question, how long will it take to get from Bathurst to Lithgow? Any faster than the current coach speed?

- 1235



Explorer: About 73 minutes over 84 kms.
Coach: About 60 minutes
By car: about 45 minutes

- bowralcommuter
 
a6et Minister for Railways

I bet this will cause chaos with every western freight service, and will continue to do so until the line from Tarana to Wang is duplicated again. It should never have been single tracked.

- Grantham



"Every western freight"? I doubt it, a quick review of the timetable suggests that not much, if any, freight will conflict with this service based on its proposed timetable. I think you will find the line was single tracked because there was hardly any traffic using it. That is still the case, although traffic levels are now higher than when the single line was created. However, one improvement that might be worthwhile is the installation of auto signals between Wang and Tarana to facilitate 'follow on' moves.

- Roadmaster



I'm thinking the same, even though I have been caught out on the old B/H train waiting for a west bound service to traverse the single line, the amount of freight using the line dwindled when the PTK grain terminal was opened & Rozelle closed, which meant the western wheat went via Cootamundra, & a huge drop in traffic, likewise a lot of the through interstate freight goes via the south.

Having said that, I do believe it was shortsighted, in much the same way as the section Wimbleton - Newbridge with the wierd safe working set up there.  Given the recent news of a new facility at Blayney coming on line, there is a reasonable chance of new bussineses starting up for freight on rail.

The other factor is, & given the timing of the train is that it sites just outside the main suburban peak, when freight services are already affected by the curfew.

 
Grantham Minister for Railways

Location: I'm with stupid!

I bet this will cause chaos with every western freight service, and will continue to do so until the line from Tarana to Wang is duplicated again. It should never have been single tracked.

- Grantham



"Every western freight"? I doubt it, a quick review of the timetable suggests that not much, if any, freight will conflict with this service based on its proposed timetable. I think you will find the line was single tracked because there was hardly any traffic using it. That is still the case, although traffic levels are now higher than when the single line was created. However, one improvement that might be worthwhile is the installation of auto signals between Wang and Tarana to facilitate 'follow on' moves.

- Roadmaster



I'm thinking the same, even though I have been caught out on the old B/H train waiting for a west bound service to traverse the single line, the amount of freight using the line dwindled when the PTK grain terminal was opened & Rozelle closed, which meant the western wheat went via Cootamundra, & a huge drop in traffic, likewise a lot of the through interstate freight goes via the south.

Having said that, I do believe it was shortsighted, in much the same way as the section Wimbleton - Newbridge with the wierd safe working set up there.  Given the recent news of a new facility at Blayney coming on line, there is a reasonable chance of new bussineses starting up for freight on rail.

The other factor is, & given the timing of the train is that it sites just outside the main suburban peak, when freight services are already affected by the curfew.

- a6et



Don't get me wrong, I'm all for passenger services, but this is just a political stunt of some variety.

Every goods train on the west is already constrained by Sydney's peaks, we're told that there are no more paths, there is a shortage of sidings to hold them anywhere at all, and they want to introduce new timetabled passenger services to the area?

I think it will affect all those other services, alright!

There is already quite enough congestion on that stretch of track without this... but that's NSW rail all over isn't it? It won't fit into the infrastructure, but we'll jam it in and f@#! around the paying railway users so that the blue rinse set will vote for us. Rolling Eyes

M

 
thadocta Chief Commissioner

Location: Katoomba

One wonders how the government will try and justify using a relatively small diesel train on a path that could be used by an electtric train carrying far more passengers to Southern Highlands commuters. The Bathurst run won't even be commuters.

Good to see Westmead on the stopping pattern, will be useful for those attending the health care facilities dotted around there.

Dave

 
a6et Minister for Railways

One wonders how the government will try and justify using a relatively small diesel train on a path that could be used by an electtric train carrying far more passengers to Southern Highlands commuters. The Bathurst run won't even be commuters.

Good to see Westmead on the stopping pattern, will be useful for those attending the health care facilities dotted around there.

Dave

- thadocta



Governments don't have to justify anything, & thats the big problem, it has happened in the past & will happen in the future on both sides of the polilitical spectrum..  If nothing else, & I have no real liking for this government nor coalitions of the past as they started the main rot in NSW with Shirley & the PTC, Labor over the years have carried a simlar tradition though, but in slightly different ways.  The primary difference has been that the Coalition has usually been more favourably inclined towards the people in the Bush, except the days when people like the then Tamworth & Armidale members shafted their constituants with the killing of the NT line, including Pax services by government policies that kept empty seats all the way.

Given that the seat of Bathurst has been one that has swung over the years but more traditionally labor the present mob has the seat now, & this may be a cheap way of shoring up votes, but maybe its also a test case for rural NSW, by the government giving sway to the voices wanting PT in the bush to be returned, & in this way saying "here it is"  But also having without publicly saying "use it or lose it" has been done in the past.

In this case they may also look at other country calls for changes, & the MBWH line issue as well as the Dubbo service reverse running as well.

I still do not believe that this train should seriously affect any existing freight services owing to its timings that sit pretty well within the curfew times. If there is any problems & if its shown to be caused by any main western line trains, then perhaps they could look at putting back in place some of the single line tracks that were created by removing the duplicated 2nd line, could be done in stages, doing one section at a time.

 
jedimasterc Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned

One wonders how the government will try and justify using a relatively small diesel train on a path that could be used by an electtric train carrying far more passengers to Southern Highlands commuters. The Bathurst run won't even be commuters.

Good to see Westmead on the stopping pattern, will be useful for those attending the health care facilities dotted around there.

Dave

- thadocta



well for starters they will most likely pull the endeavour from the hunter rail line and not the southern highlands. BC and I have been working on a transfer of sh services to countrylink / nsw rail to provide a better service for people who have to get out of bed earlier in the morning. A buffet car for breakfast and all countrylink services have fold down tables for cereal, toast and drinks.

R44 and I took a run on the grafton xpt yesterday in economy to maitland and believe this is the level of service for persons travelling up to 4 hours from sydney. So bathurst, bomaderry and goulburn should have a service with this level of quality. Service for the longer trips however should be substantially increased. More comfortable seats and seating positions. Of course free wifi on all countrylink services and tv's for first class should also be provided.

 
thadocta Chief Commissioner

Location: Katoomba

One wonders how the government will try and justify using a relatively small diesel train on a path that could be used by an electtric train carrying far more passengers to Southern Highlands commuters. The Bathurst run won't even be commuters.

Good to see Westmead on the stopping pattern, will be useful for those attending the health care facilities dotted around there.

Dave

- thadocta



Governments don't have to justify anything, & thats the big problem, it has happened in the past & will happen in the future on both sides of the polilitical spectrum..  If nothing else, & I have no real liking for this government nor coalitions of the past as they started the main rot in NSW with Shirley & the PTC, Labor over the years have carried a simlar tradition though, but in slightly different ways.  The primary difference has been that the Coalition has usually been more favourably inclined towards the people in the Bush, except the days when people like the then Tamworth & Armidale members shafted their constituants with the killing of the NT line, including Pax services by government policies that kept empty seats all the way.

Given that the seat of Bathurst has been one that has swung over the years but more traditionally labor the present mob has the seat now, & this may be a cheap way of shoring up votes, but maybe its also a test case for rural NSW, by the government giving sway to the voices wanting PT in the bush to be returned, & in this way saying "here it is"  But also having without publicly saying "use it or lose it" has been done in the past.

In this case they may also look at other country calls for changes, & the MBWH line issue as well as the Dubbo service reverse running as well.

I still do not believe that this train should seriously affect any existing freight services owing to its timings that sit pretty well within the curfew times. If there is any problems & if its shown to be caused by any main western line trains, then perhaps they could look at putting back in place some of the single line tracks that were created by removing the duplicated 2nd line, could be done in stages, doing one section at a time.

- a6et



You missed my point totally (fairly typical for you though) - Southern Highlands commuters can't get a direct train service, because it has been decreed that the path that the direct Central - Goulburn train used was better utilised by an 8-car electric train, carrying a much larger number of commuters. And these are commuters, every day of the week passengers.

Now we have a path on the Western line, which *could* be used for an 8-car electric train, being dedicated to a diesel railcar, carrying far fewer passengers, and they are NOT commuters, they are day-trippers to Sydney (and I am not decrying day-trippers, it could be for any reason, medical appointments, legal appointments, whatever).

I am just pointing out the incongruity between the government saying that Southern Highlands commuters don't deserve a direct service, as the path could be better utilised by an electric, but occasional Bathurst users deserve a direct service, in spite of the path it uses being better utilised elsewhere.

Dave

 
thadocta Chief Commissioner

Location: Katoomba

..... mindless drivel not addressing the point I raised snipped .....

- jedimasterc



Oops, nothing else left.

Please come back and quote me when you wish to address the issues I posted, if you wish to post raiding your own agenda, with addressing my post, please do not quote me.

And please stop boring us to tears with your "market research" (in other words, trains trips undertaken by children, and telling us how it all was).

This site really needs a "Trip Reports" forum, so that these children can tell us all about their trips to wherever (which they are passing off as research for better services, does anyone REALLY think their views are going to be taken seriously?)

Dave

 
thadocta Chief Commissioner

Location: Katoomba

BTW, I caught the Dubbo XPT from Lithgow to Katoomba last week, the level of comfort was deplorable, I fully expected PTV's, not to mention a personal manicurist and pedicurist. Until this happens, the level of service will be totally sub-standard.

Dave

 
jedimasterc Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned

One wonders how the government will try and justify using a relatively small diesel train on a path that could be used by an electtric train carrying far more passengers to Southern Highlands commuters. The Bathurst run won't even be commuters.

Good to see Westmead on the stopping pattern, will be useful for those attending the health care facilities dotted around there.

Dave

- thadocta



Governments don't have to justify anything, & thats the big problem, it has happened in the past & will happen in the future on both sides of the polilitical spectrum..  If nothing else, & I have no real liking for this government nor coalitions of the past as they started the main rot in NSW with Shirley & the PTC, Labor over the years have carried a simlar tradition though, but in slightly different ways.  The primary difference has been that the Coalition has usually been more favourably inclined towards the people in the Bush, except the days when people like the then Tamworth & Armidale members shafted their constituants with the killing of the NT line, including Pax services by government policies that kept empty seats all the way.

Given that the seat of Bathurst has been one that has swung over the years but more traditionally labor the present mob has the seat now, & this may be a cheap way of shoring up votes, but maybe its also a test case for rural NSW, by the government giving sway to the voices wanting PT in the bush to be returned, & in this way saying "here it is"  But also having without publicly saying "use it or lose it" has been done in the past.

In this case they may also look at other country calls for changes, & the MBWH line issue as well as the Dubbo service reverse running as well.

I still do not believe that this train should seriously affect any existing freight services owing to its timings that sit pretty well within the curfew times. If there is any problems & if its shown to be caused by any main western line trains, then perhaps they could look at putting back in place some of the single line tracks that were created by removing the duplicated 2nd line, could be done in stages, doing one section at a time.

- a6et



Firstly there are no issues at all with freight because the line is not an artc line but a country rail line owned by the nsw government and maintained by john holland. The day that I went out to bathurst for a trip with some forum members we saw only 1 freight train go buy. We had lunch at tarana for 1 hour and not a single train went passed. This line is not being used significantly at all.

 
jedimasterc Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned

..... mindless drivel not addressing the point I raised snipped .....

- jedimasterc



Oops, nothing else left.

Please come back and quote me when you wish to address the issues I posted, if you wish to post raiding your own agenda, with addressing my post, please do not quote me.

And please stop boring us to tears with your "market research" (in other words, trains trips undertaken by children, and telling us how it all was).

This site really needs a "Trip Reports" forum, so that these children can tell us all about their trips to wherever (which they are passing off as research for better services, does anyone REALLY think their views are going to be taken seriously?)

Dave

- thadocta



how about you get the right person or even thread who quoted this for starters.

We are going to put our stories up somewhere. We are working on a website to put these stories onto and already have a facebook page for our group.

We don't care about people who question whether or not we will be taken seriously. Regardless of this we are trying to gather information to analyse so we can make a significant submission in the future when possible. Anybody is welcome to join us on these trips if you so desire.

So smeg all you want about us. But we are going to continue to do what we are doing and don't care about your pointless bitching on about us supposedly wasting our time. It is our time to waste and we will waste it how we want to waste it.

 
a6et Minister for Railways

One wonders how the government will try and justify using a relatively small diesel train on a path that could be used by an electtric train carrying far more passengers to Southern Highlands commuters. The Bathurst run won't even be commuters.

Good to see Westmead on the stopping pattern, will be useful for those attending the health care facilities dotted around there.

Dave

- thadocta



Governments don't have to justify anything, & thats the big problem, it has happened in the past & will happen in the future on both sides of the polilitical spectrum..  If nothing else, & I have no real liking for this government nor coalitions of the past as they started the main rot in NSW with Shirley & the PTC, Labor over the years have carried a simlar tradition though, but in slightly different ways.  The primary difference has been that the Coalition has usually been more favourably inclined towards the people in the Bush, except the days when people like the then Tamworth & Armidale members shafted their constituants with the killing of the NT line, including Pax services by government policies that kept empty seats all the way.

Given that the seat of Bathurst has been one that has swung over the years but more traditionally labor the present mob has the seat now, & this may be a cheap way of shoring up votes, but maybe its also a test case for rural NSW, by the government giving sway to the voices wanting PT in the bush to be returned, & in this way saying "here it is"  But also having without publicly saying "use it or lose it" has been done in the past.

In this case they may also look at other country calls for changes, & the MBWH line issue as well as the Dubbo service reverse running as well.

I still do not believe that this train should seriously affect any existing freight services owing to its timings that sit pretty well within the curfew times. If there is any problems & if its shown to be caused by any main western line trains, then perhaps they could look at putting back in place some of the single line tracks that were created by removing the duplicated 2nd line, could be done in stages, doing one section at a time.

- a6et



You missed my point totally (fairly typical for you though) - Southern Highlands commuters can't get a direct train service, because it has been decreed that the path that the direct Central - Goulburn train used was better utilised by an 8-car electric train, carrying a much larger number of commuters. And these are commuters, every day of the week passengers.

Now we have a path on the Western line, which *could* be used for an 8-car electric train, being dedicated to a diesel railcar, carrying far fewer passengers, and they are NOT commuters, they are day-trippers to Sydney (and I am not decrying day-trippers, it could be for any reason, medical appointments, legal appointments, whatever).

I am just pointing out the incongruity between the government saying that Southern Highlands commuters don't deserve a direct service, as the path could be better utilised by an electric, but occasional Bathurst users deserve a direct service, in spite of the path it uses being better utilised elsewhere.

Dave

- thadocta



Apologies for that, would like to ask why you think its typical of me, as I try to cover as many bases as possible, having worked & lived in both Sydney, with around half in Sydney & the other in the bush I can see both sides of the various issues & not just one side, but yes I think the SH should have a direct service, especially if the numbers are there. Likewise what is interesting is that the Bx service will likely be CR controlled but within a CR area, if I understand things correctly.

When the Highlands had the direct services to the City, they also terminated in Sydney Terminal thus a train change, but how many suited the City worker for  pre 0900 arrival?  Of what percentage of the Highlands services are based on City commuters against day travellers such as the Bx service is to provide?

There are questions in regards to both of these owing to population & general accesibility to Sydney, what distances are there as well, as well as stopping patterns. With trains connection at Campbeltown for Highlands commuters are they getting under the existing service a better/faster train into the city than before? I am basing this on the fact I do not know the numbers of commuters off the Highlands as reading other threads on similar issues throw up different numbers.  Thus if the services are two car & distance is considered, & despite inconvenience of a change in trains it is a bit different to the Bx service.

The worst of the Bomaderry services is the short isolated non electrified section south of Kiama, but at this point of time is there justification for electrification to go ahead?  Not a topic I think in this thread as its been discussed in others.

So going around the circle, I would say that there is a valid point though in asking why the BX service is not a connecting ETR service at Lithgow but, what does the 2 car set do for the rest of the day, run emptier shuttles to BX & back?

 
jedimasterc Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned

replacing the service from kiama to bombaderry with a hunter should be a no brainer. more hunters should have been built and the endeavours used for xplorer runs.

The problem with all these runs now is the uncomfortable seats in oscars, endeavours and the hunters. Anything longer then 90 minutes in them is just painfull on the rear end.

 
jedimasterc Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned

I'm curious what is meant by the line about upgrading an Endeavour train - as they've only recently been overhauled with new seats and whatnot put in, is this a nod to another Endeavour - Xplorer conversion (as happened to introduce the Broken Hill and Riverina services), or is this an upgrade of an Endeavour with newer seats again to make it more comfortable for longer runs?

- Raichase



It is purely a seat thing. The seats may be new but they are extremely uncomfortable over long runs. Something along the lines of the old g set seats are needed for these trips. The oscars seats are horrible for these journeys. The trains themselves would be fine if they had more comfortable seats.

 
a6et Minister for Railways

Lets consider some things in regard to the BX & other comparable lines.  ATM I cannot compare the Bomaderry services with anything as the CR web shows buses replace trains from Bomaderry to Wollongong & only a bus at 0330 to Kiama is shown.

Bomaderry 153Km's from Sydney Terminal.  While having a change of trains at Kiama, is serviced by a fairly regular service although with the CR site not available I am only basing that on previous looks.

Goulburn 224K's from Sydney, does not appear to have any great service but works in conjuction with MV - Campbeltown service in regards to CR t/t's but also has availbe a couple of Canberra & the XPT services to them, those between MV & GLBN are not likely to have access to those trains though. But I would think that only Bundanoon & possibly Marulan would generate any sort of patronage anyway.

Moss Vale.  145 K's to Sydney, Despite its service being a change at Campbelltown, has an almost hourly service which is on par with many other locations at the same distance, & even though served by EMU's Newcastle services are often a change at Gosford, & Morriset services often have no connections for the Sydney end.

Lithgow 155K's from Sydney. after a couple of early services only has a 2 hourly off peak run, although through trains.

Bathurst. 239 K's from Sydney.  The only rail service is by the XPT & maybe the cars on the IP/Ghan, or bus/train service. Outside of Bx the only potential for passengers is likely to minmal at Tarana & who knows with Wang? CR timetables do not show any connections in their online timetables to buses. The only advantage they will get is a through service.

Train useage. While this service means an updated train, the worst of it is that it has a lot of sitting time unless something can be squeezed in on arrival at Sydney Terminal & its afternoon return, where it sits overnight at BX.  But, how many sets sit o/night at MV & where ever the Bomaderry sets are laying over?

From what I see of this, & in the end it sits in with what thadoctor says is the Bx passengers get a through service whereas the others do not. Bx is the longest trip by some 15K's than Goulburnm & at least 80k's further than the others, & 94 from MV.

The thing is though, I see the Bx service as more testing the waters, & there is time before the next election if it fails to can the service, without any real political fallout.

In the end, though even if the service continues it will still only provide a single service each way when all the others have multipe & frequent services, despite the need to change trains.  What is better, a frequent changing service as against a less frequent through service, which may end up happening, as it may well be determined by patronage anyway on all lines.

 
PDCL Chief Train Controller

I'm going to go out on a bit of a limb and suggest that they will pull the 8:27am Moss Vale to Sydney Terminal (arr 10:36am) service and make the 7:14am Goulburn to Sydney Terminal (arr 10:00am) service all stops instead.

If you wanted the morning 5:40am Bathurst to Sydney Terminal (arr 9:25am), could then be run out as the 11:12am Sydney Terminal to Moss Vale Service (arr 1:27pm), returning to the terminal as the 1:56pm Moss Vale to Campbelltown (arr 3:15pm).  You could extend this service though to Sydney Terminal or drop the passengers at Cambelltown and make a quick dash to Eveleigh for a service before running into the terminal for the the evening 5:55pm Sydney Terminal to Bathurst service (arr 9:30pm).  Gives you a bit of flexibility if the one or more of the Goulburn Endeavours chucks a spack attack on the way up, otherwise you can just use the time for servicing.

To thadoctor's question about why a 2 car DMU is being given a slot into the terminal that could be used by an 8 car EMU, well AIUI there are spare slots into Sydney Terminal during peak along the Western line, so the Bathurst service will just be using empty track time anyway.  The problem with running a highlands service in during peak is that you have to cross from the Illawarra local to the Illawarra main on the up-side of Sydneham, so that you can get onto the Illawarra dive at Eveleigh, across to the Main and into Sydney Terminal.  There simply isn't any spare capacity to facilitate such an opposing move with all the trains the run the Illawarra in peak.  If you built a set of points between Erskinville Junction and Illawarra Junction you might be able to get away with peak hour Highlands runs into the terminal.  So it's less an issue of preference to the Bathurst service than it is a case of infrastructure constraints for the Highlands one.

 
bowralcommuter Chief Commissioner

Location: Asleep on an L90

I'm going to go out on a bit of a limb and suggest that they will pull the 8:27am Moss Vale to Sydney Terminal (arr 10:36am) service and make the 7:14am Goulburn to Sydney Terminal (arr 10:00am) service all stops instead.

If you wanted the morning 5:40am Bathurst to Sydney Terminal (arr 9:25am), could then be run out as the 11:12am Sydney Terminal to Moss Vale Service (arr 1:27pm), returning to the terminal as the 1:56pm Moss Vale to Campbelltown (arr 3:15pm).  You could extend this service though to Sydney Terminal or drop the passengers at Cambelltown and make a quick dash to Eveleigh for a service before running into the terminal for the the evening 5:55pm Sydney Terminal to Bathurst service (arr 9:30pm).  Gives you a bit of flexibility if the one or more of the Goulburn Endeavours chucks a spack attack on the way up, otherwise you can just use the time for servicing.

To thadoctor's question about why a 2 car DMU is being given a slot into the terminal that could be used by an 8 car EMU, well AIUI there are spare slots into Sydney Terminal during peak along the Western line, so the Bathurst service will just be using empty track time anyway.  The problem with running a highlands service in during peak is that you have to cross from the Illawarra local to the Illawarra main on the up-side of Sydneham, so that you can get onto the Illawarra dive at Eveleigh, across to the Main and into Sydney Terminal.  There simply isn't any spare capacity to facilitate such an opposing move with all the trains the run the Illawarra in peak.  If you built a set of points between Erskinville Junction and Illawarra Junction you might be able to get away with peak hour Highlands runs into the terminal.  So it's less an issue of preference to the Bathurst service than it is a case of infrastructure constraints for the Highlands one.

- PDCL



Could happen actually, the Southern Highlands is a safe liberal seat. They could completely eliminate the services here and Pru Goward would still keep her seat. Only thing with your guess is that the 5:09am Moss Vale train that arrives Central (s) at 7:34am after a chane over (which fills all 2 carriages) will need to be axed too. As will the returning 6:41 from C'town to Moss Vale (8am).

 
UP9372 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Banned


Great to see Tubby has his priorities right. $7m to cart pensioners around at $2.50 each. Well, you have to placate the Nats in the coalition.

 
lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere your not

I say, Is there any time date for this service to start ?

 
PDCL Chief Train Controller


Great to see Tubby has his priorities right. $7m to cart pensioners around at $2.50 each. Well, you have to placate the Nats in the coalition.

- UP9372



Yes you'd be much better placed spending those $7mil building the crossovers past Erskinville so that you can sneak those Highlands trains into the terminal during peak.

 
newington Chief Commissioner

Location: Getting promoted to Sergeant

I bet this will cause chaos with every western freight service, and will continue to do so until the line from Tarana to Wang is duplicated again. It should never have been single tracked.

- Grantham



When my father was engine droving, in 1959, he recalls the Main West was double tracked all the way to the eastern bank of the Macquarie River, with only one track going across the Macquarie River. Since then, it seems the railways have actually gone backwards in that respect. Logic tells you that the main railway from Sydney to Adelaide, Darwin, and Perth, as well as countless intra-state services, should have a double track mainline.

But nooooooo, we can save $500 per concrete sleeper and $10,000 per length of rail if with rationalise it to one track. This is what you get when you start replacing experienced, knowledgeable, senior railwaymen in management with clowns waving around Bachelor of Accounting degrees.

 
Bulbous Assistant Commissioner

..... Logic tells you that the main railway from Sydney to Adelaide, Darwin, and Perth, as well as countless intra-state services, should have a double track mainline.

But nooooooo, we can save $500 per concrete sleeper and $10,000 per length of rail if with rationalise it to one track. This is what you get when you start replacing experienced, knowledgeable, senior railwaymen in management with clowns waving around Bachelor of Accounting degrees.

- newington



Your logic is very, very flawed then.......

PS - it is around 130 per SG/DG concrete sleeper according to the Brookfield/Westnet Rail costings for 2011-12.....

 
Raichase Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW

But nooooooo, we can save $500 per concrete sleeper and $10,000 per length of rail if with rationalise it to one track. This is what you get when you start replacing experienced, knowledgeable, senior railwaymen in management with clowns waving around Bachelor of Accounting degrees.

- newington



With all due respect, there are a lot of armchair experts here that are no better than the people we lament. We often feel like experts on this forum, although we don't have access to all of the information that the decision makers have. It's fine to question decisions, but perhaps comments like the above are unfounded and help to reduce the credibility of the website and the hobby as a whole.

As for the ludicrous notion of saying "I saw one freight train on one day when I went to Bathurst, therefore the line is not busy", try doing some research into the freight that travels on that line and the times that it travels. Such comments are no better than someone catching one train one day, seeing it has spare seats and making a sweeping judgement that services on that line can take a cut because there is spare capacity.

I feel I'm wasting my time pointing out that once again, the same old tired agenda of "this is how we would do it to improve services" has cropped up once again with the poster mentioned above, with an exhaustive survey of freight on the western line  Rolling Eyes.

 
branleur Station Master

Location: Blue Mountains, NSW

It seems absurd to me that it runs all the way to Central when they could have run it from Katoomba to Bathurst instead as a connecting service and provided more services per day. I am guessing diesel fuel is more expensive than electricity as well, isn't it?

 
Calgully Deputy Commissioner


When my father was engine droving, in 1959,

- newington



Your father's name isn't Clancy by any chance? 
Does he write letters with a thumbnail dipped in tar?

 

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