Eureka Times - Issue 25.

 
  wolfpac Minister for Railways

Location: Over here...
Didn't notice a thread for this one yet, so here it is!

Eureka's website now has The Eurkea Times Issue #25 online...

http://eurekamodels.com.au/

A few other updates through the site, also, by the look of it.

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  hosk1956 Deputy Commissioner

Location: no where near gunzels
Well it is nice to some sort of date for deliveries but I frankly do not believe any date posted, so many promises have broken I don't how the Eureka team can sleep at night.
So now at best the E/O wagons will not be here till Feb 2013 at the earliest, I will put my money on a later date, my investment (my wifes actually for my birthday in Febuary 2011, guess who is not buying me anymore birthday trains) was only 165 bucks so I suppose I will endure the wait till Febuary 2013, I am so heavenly glad I have not paid for an R or a K (try 2015).
It's all right dear, you bought them for my birthday but you didn't say which birthday isn't funny any more.

Wayne
  N470 Station Master

Location: Somewhere with a MYKI card
I am still not holding my breath for the R
  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting for the sky to fall, the seas to rise... and seeing a train on the SSFL!
I am still not holding my breath for the R
"N470"


I'd stopped doing that a long time ago Wink

It's just the reality of our market size (leverage) and the machinations of the Chinese economy.

At least we have some people persistent enough to keep the models coming (however slowly). Thanks to them we've seen more Oz RTR than one would have dreamed of pre Austrains. Smile


  brissim Chief Train Controller

Thanks for the heads up. As said, besides the newsletter, its good to see the general update throughtout the site with updates on delivery.

One of these updates (I think) are the order forms for the steam era W44 ore wagons. Only minor winge is that the wagons are being sold in packs of five. However, the information on the Order Form makes the point that the usual load for double Garratts (between Molong and Orange) was 16 wagons. So the question is do I get 3 packs and be 1 wagon short, or all four packs and be 4 wagons too many - decisions, decisions.... Probably will just get 3 packs and hope no-one can count above 10.

Tony
  VRfan Moderator

Location: In front of my computer :-p
I've only just got around to reading the newsletter, but has anybody noticed this line about the R:

The balance on all orders is due by the 31st of October, 2012 in order for the pre-delivery price to be maintained. Orders not fully paid by this date will attract the after delivery price which will be $660 for the basic unit.


However, in the order form it states this:

Full payment received before 30 June, 2006 $495
After delivery price $595


Therefore I would have expected the after delivery price to be $595 if I've put down a deposit but not paid the balance, not $660.


  rupert Junior Train Controller

Thanks for the heads up. As said, besides the newsletter, its good to see the general update throughtout the site with updates on delivery.

One of these updates (I think) are the order forms for the steam era W44 ore wagons. Only minor winge is that the wagons are being sold in packs of five. However, the information on the Order Form makes the point that the usual load for double Garratts (between Molong and Orange) was 16 wagons. So the question is do I get 3 packs and be 1 wagon short, or all four packs and be 4 wagons too many - decisions, decisions.... Probably will just get 3 packs and hope no-one can count above 10.

Tony
"brissim"


Tony - you migh need more!! Especially if you want both loaded (with tarps on) or empty (tarps folded in side) - Cheers David
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
I see the HUB's will arrive and commence Delivery about mid December, and finish mid January...

So no mention of the R Class so it looks like it has gone out to March or beyond Sad
Cheers
Rod
  a6et Minister for Railways


Thanks for the heads up. As said, besides the newsletter, its good to see the general update throughtout the site with updates on delivery.

One of these updates (I think) are the order forms for the steam era W44 ore wagons. Only minor winge is that the wagons are being sold in packs of five. However, the information on the Order Form makes the point that the usual load for double Garratts (between Molong and Orange) was 16 wagons. So the question is do I get 3 packs and be 1 wagon short, or all four packs and be 4 wagons too many - decisions, decisions.... Probably will just get 3 packs and hope no-one can count above 10.

Tony
"brissim"


Thing to consider with what is being ordered with the G wagons is the era, & type of wagon, especially the GP, & the type of bogie that was under them. The original W44 with 16 G wagons fitted with 2BP bogies came in at 928 Tons add the BV of 22tonnes & you got 950tons. The advertising on the Eureka page is a bit unclear in regard to the actual era & bogie types, the section that then says the northern section of the train N645 was hauled by a 36cl & garratt, was sort of correct, & the load fitted in IF, the whole train was the old type with that tonneage. The load for a garratt & 35/36 class was 898tons, thus 16 wagons was too many on N645.

When the G wagons were fitted with Roller Bearing bogies, the load increased by 10tonnes per wagon by which time metric loading had been brought into operation, thus the load became 1158tons plus 22 for BV making the load 1180 tonnes, well in excess of not just a 36 & the more common 35cl in the early years but also above that of a standard goods engine or 59cl with a garratt, & making the only way possible for N645 to work would have been with double garratts, which was semi common but more often than not a standard goods engine or 59 with a garratt.

According to the May 1965 Western Working Time Table the load for W44 is listed as 1020tons. Outside of block wheat trains of BWH type vehicles & only a couple of petrol trains W44/N645 were deemed the only block trains at that time. By that time 1965 there was a combination of both types of wagons on the train with old & new bogies, & why the load was set at 1020 tons as that was the load for 1 light & 1 heavy garratt from Molong, but too much for other than a standard goods/59 + garratt up north.

For modelling purposes, 15 of those wagons, + BV would be an appropriate amount of wagons for the period, & not 16.

  Piston Train Controller

Well I was going to model W44 until I worked out the cost.
Thats two weathered garratts with sound $960 x 2 = $1920
3 weathered wagon packs $310 x 3 = $930
And I need a brakevan $60
Lets see Grand total = $2910
Nah don't think so
  anzac1959 Chief Commissioner


Thanks for the heads up. As said, besides the newsletter, its good to see the general update throughtout the site with updates on delivery.

One of these updates (I think) are the order forms for the steam era W44 ore wagons. Only minor winge is that the wagons are being sold in packs of five. However, the information on the Order Form makes the point that the usual load for double Garratts (between Molong and Orange) was 16 wagons. So the question is do I get 3 packs and be 1 wagon short, or all four packs and be 4 wagons too many - decisions, decisions.... Probably will just get 3 packs and hope no-one can count above 10.

Tony
"brissim"


Thing to consider with what is being ordered with the G wagons is the era, & type of wagon, especially the GP, & the type of bogie that was under them. The original W44 with 16 G wagons fitted with 2BP bogies came in at 928 Tons add the BV of 22tonnes & you got 950tons. The advertising on the Eureka page is a bit unclear in regard to the actual era & bogie types, the section that then says the northern section of the train N645 was hauled by a 36cl & garratt, was sort of correct, & the load fitted in IF, the whole train was the old type with that tonneage. The load for a garratt & 35/36 class was 898tons, thus 16 wagons was too many on N645.

When the G wagons were fitted with Roller Bearing bogies, the load increased by 10tonnes per wagon by which time metric loading had been brought into operation, thus the load became 1158tons plus 22 for BV making the load 1180 tonnes, well in excess of not just a 36 & the more common 35cl in the early years but also above that of a standard goods engine or 59cl with a garratt, & making the only way possible for N645 to work would have been with double garratts, which was semi common but more often than not a standard goods engine or 59 with a garratt.

According to the May 1965 Western Working Time Table the load for W44 is listed as 1020tons. Outside of block wheat trains of BWH type vehicles & only a couple of petrol trains W44/N645 were deemed the only block trains at that time. By that time 1965 there was a combination of both types of wagons on the train with old & new bogies, & why the load was set at 1020 tons as that was the load for 1 light & 1 heavy garratt from Molong, but too much for other than a standard goods/59 + garratt up north.

For modelling purposes, 15 of those wagons, + BV would be an appropriate amount of wagons for the period, & not 16.

"a6et"


Hey a6et you never seem to see pictures "W44 enroute empty heading back to BH" what loco/s took them back was it the same loco all the way???? and I read somewhere the red stripe painted on the ends meant only for concentrate not that the doors had been welded shut which is correct.
cheers anzac 
  hanovale Deputy Commissioner

Well I was going to model W44 until I worked out the cost.
Thats two weathered garratts with sound $960 x 2 = $1920
3 weathered wagon packs $310 x 3 = $930
And I need a brakevan $60
Lets see Grand total = $2910
Nah don't think so
"Piston"


There is a cheaper way, although not as charismatic. West of Parkes W44 was worked by a single 49 class. My 1962 WTT shows a load of 1020 tons between Broken Hill and Parkes, the maximum for a single 49 right up to 1989 when the 49s left Parkes. The timetable has no obvious return working and I was once  told by one of the old Parkes drivers that the empties into and out of Parkes were attached to a normal goods train rather than working as a block load.


  a6et Minister for Railways

Well I was going to model W44 until I worked out the cost.
Thats two weathered garratts with sound $960 x 2 = $1920
3 weathered wagon packs $310 x 3 = $930
And I need a brakevan $60
Lets see Grand total = $2910
Nah don't think so
"Piston"


There is a cheaper way, although not as charismatic. West of Parkes W44 was worked by a single 49 class. My 1962 WTT shows a load of 1020 tons between Broken Hill and Parkes, the maximum for a single 49 right up to 1989 when the 49s left Parkes. The timetable has no obvious return working and I was once told by one of the old Parkes drivers that the empties into and out of Parkes were attached to a normal goods train rather than working as a block load.

"hanovale"


The overall loco rostering for W44, was BH-PKES, 1x49cl.  PKES - MLG 36/SG+light type garratt, MLG-OGE light & heavy Garratt. OGE- LTGW heavy garratt.  LTGW - NTSF 1x46, assisted by 1x46 to ZIG ZAG.  NSTF - GFD 2x46.  GFD - SLPHD JCT. Standard Goods + Heavy garratt. 

The return empties were  Sulphide Gosford  346goods worked by 35/36cl  GFD- LTGW   1x46 unassisted all the way NSF Dep as 349 goods 0253after Crew change LTGW 0544/0640 worked by 36cl assisted BX to Wibledon, 3minutes detach assistant engine arrive OGE 1110. 

West of OGE there is no specific goods train that applied for the empties although in the 65 WTT there is a goods 105 shown that ran from OGE & was fairly well a daily runner, MO dep 1040, other days 1110.  That train shows a 75% running schedule which could imply that it was the empties.

When 36cl arrived on the west in large numbers almost all trains were actually reduced in tonneage from LTGO to OGE to that of a single/double 36cl which took 75% of the normal freighters load, but they actually were accelearated running times, when freigthers were rosted they run to the same TT as the 36cl, thus the equation you see in WTT columns of 75% load.

When W44 started running, a certain number of G wagons were assigned to the working, initially they had the underfloor doors sealed/removed, the doors were welded in place & recoded CG or GC, the opposite to the later EPT wagons built for the working. They were all stamped with the Return to BH when empty & had the red ends paint applied to them.  The problem with them especially the doors they were ok for general goods but with the low but heavy wet concentrate in the wagons it played havoc with the old door equipped wagons thus the doors were removed & replaced with new steel sides. To increase the load the introduction of RB bogies enabled an extra 10 Tonnes to be hauled per wagon.

This created a problem with the extra weight meaning an extra 160tonnes overall for the train if it was all RB types, thus when it became all RB types the train was reduced to 14 wagons taking it back to the old 1020 ton arrangement.  The problem was that to get the train working in place with the most econimical arrangement of locos, that being a single 49cl west of PKS, the increased tons were too much for them as the 49cl load west of Parkes was only 1000tons, however that applied to trains of 70 in length & permission was given after the load trials of 44 that the load of 1020tons was ok owing to the length being less than 40 in total for the train.

Interestingly in all my trips to the OGE Molong line photographing steam days I only ever saw double garratts once, & that was on Sunday when 238 goods from Dubbo had 2 light garratts on it.  However evertime I was between BX & OGE W44 was there every day.

I worked the return empties from Sulphide once with a 35cl & it was a wild ride, with only two brake applications until we changed engines at Gosford.  N645 was another matter though, as I worked it with 35 & freighters but more often than not a 59cl in the lead.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
  VLine-N Station Master

Location: Adelaide
Just called Eureka today for some details on the R class. Was told that they now expect delivery "around Feb 2013" not in December as stated on Eureka Times
So I'm guessing that probably could mean middle of the year?
Confirmed full payment of $550 required by end of this month (October). After that it will be $650
  DQ2004 Chief Commissioner

Location: Hobart -where the rain has lumps in it
Just called Eureka today for some details on the R class. Was told that they now expect delivery "around Feb 2013" not in December as stated on Eureka Times
So I'm guessing that probably could mean middle of the year?
Confirmed full payment of $550 required by end of this month (October). After that it will be $650
"VLine-N"


Yes to read between the lines of that, I would expect them in May 2013 now.
If they currently think that they are four months away, that is too far away to be optimistic that it won't blow out again.  One could be hopeful, but given the history so far with Eureka, I wouldn't be confident.
The worst thing is the West Coast Rail versions are even further away, the time frame for them is a complete mystery.

Regards all,

Toby
  anzac1959 Chief Commissioner

Heres a W44 to model going up Hawkmount on the "sight and sound of steam" DVD ive got, circa 1968

50 class
60 class
49 class dead attached failed at Parkes being delivered for work on the Cardiff wheel lathe
and a combination of 12 wagons
G wagons
GC wagons
CG wagons smaller type
MHG Guards van
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
Just called Eureka today for some details on the R class. Was told that they now expect delivery "around Feb 2013" not in December as stated on Eureka Times
So I'm guessing that probably could mean middle of the year?
Confirmed full payment of $550 required by end of this month (October). After that it will be $650
"VLine-N"


Yes to read between the lines of that, I would expect them in May 2013 now.
If they currently think that they are four months away, that is too far away to be optimistic that it won't blow out again. One could be hopeful, but given the history so far with Eureka, I wouldn't be confident.
The worst thing is the West Coast Rail versions are even further away, the time frame for them is a complete mystery.

Regards all,

Toby
"DQ2004"



looks like my 7th Anniversary is coming up and going ConfusedConfused
  a6et Minister for Railways

Heres a W44 to model going up Hawkmount on the "sight and sound of steam" DVD ive got, circa 1968

50 class
60 class
49 class dead attached failed at Parkes being delivered for work on the Cardiff wheel lathe
and a combination of 12 wagons
G wagons
GC wagons
CG wagons smaller type
MHG Guards van
"anzac1959"


Anzac.

Work out the tonneage for the train with only 12 opens, of the different types, even the dead 49cl would still bring the train into the common load allowances based on load & length.

49cl is set at 91 tonnes 12x G types at heavy load = 852 + 22 for van= total load 965 tonnes  60cl heavy type load 650 tons, & SG 370 = 1020, the standard block load of W44/N645.
  DQ2004 Chief Commissioner

Location: Hobart -where the rain has lumps in it
looks like my 7th Anniversary is coming up and going ConfusedConfused
"comtrain"


I too am now in the position of having waited for a similar period of time.  Given that I'm not really concentrating on VR any more I have to admit that I'm not stressing about it's arrival, although it will be my last VR loco for some time, unless I should happen to win lotto!

I'm sure too though, that Ron himself must be bitterly disappointed about how long this has taken.  I only hope that it is a good model and that it doesn't get picked to bits after it does finally arrive, like the 38 did (I'm not saying the Eureka 38 doesn't have errors).

The other point for me is that at least I did pay for them long ago, because if I had to find the money for them now, I probably wouldn't be getting one.

Regards,

Toby
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
looks like my 7th Anniversary is coming up and going ConfusedConfused
"comtrain"


I too am now in the position of having waited for a similar period of time. Given that I'm not really concentrating on VR any more I have to admit that I'm not stressing about it's arrival, although it will be my last VR loco for some time, unless I should happen to win lotto!

I'm sure too though, that Ron himself must be bitterly disappointed about how long this has taken. I only hope that it is a good model and that it doesn't get picked to bits after it does finally arrive, like the 38 did (I'm not saying the Eureka 38 doesn't have errors).

The other point for me is that at least I did pay for them long ago, because if I had to find the money for them now, I probably wouldn't be getting one.

Regards,

Toby
"DQ2004"


I once owned an old Dockyard R Class. In 1991, at an Exhibition it was left on the layout overnight. When I tried to run it on the Sunday it derailed and I found somebody had removed the lead bogie. It never ran again. In 2006 I bought two Eureka R Classes all paid for.
In 2010 I saw a Dockyard second edition R at the right price and bought it. A few months later I bought a SEM R Class and decided I was incapable of building it, but fortunately a friend wanted to give it a go for me. He did a great job, in fact it won a Hobsons Bay modelling comp (for him) two years ago. Smile
In the meantime I have sourced a lead bogie for the original R Class and it is in the process of having a can motor and DCC fitted.
So things change In 2006 I did not have one working steam engine, if these things ever arrive, I will have  5 of the buggers Rolling Eyes
Cheers
Rod
  VRfan Moderator

Location: In front of my computer :-p
Just called Eureka today for some details on the R class. Was told that they now expect delivery "around Feb 2013" not in December as stated on Eureka Times
So I'm guessing that probably could mean middle of the year?
Confirmed full payment of $550 required by end of this month (October). After that it will be $650
"VLine-N"


Why should I pay him ~$1000 for the R classes I ordered back in 2006 when they are not even ready for delivery? How do we know they will not slip further than February 2013. His record on delivery is terrible to say the least.

I think it's a shameful business practice to attempt to coerce significantly more money out of customers already locked into the R class without having a product ready for dispatch.

I for one refuse to pay him a cent until the product is ready. The fact Eureka is charging me more and more as time goes on means I'm far less likely to buy from him in the future and I will certainly never pre-order again.
  Iain Chief Commissioner

Location: Concord, NSW
The other items that seem to have slipped below the horizon are the VR E wagon and the other related models which were promised for April this year.  I am also wondering about the K class and what its delivery time would be.

Iain
  warzy7 Chief Train Controller

I can just about see the K being delivered at Christmas Wink
  VR_King Junior Train Controller

Spoke to Ron today. As a few have mentioned already, a February - April delivery is most likely. But to my dismay the west coast railways R's won't be here until several months after the other ones are delivered.
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
This was pointed out to me today and thought it was a new twist to the continuing saga Wink
From the Eureka site. I thought these were six packs? So has Ron kept the price down by creating 5 packs?  If so what happened to older orders? As they are not on my hit list, I don't know The bottom  lines still refer to 6 packs?
Cheers
Rod


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