New Cityrail Timetable 21 October

 
  kypros1992 Locomotive Fireman

Location: Sydney

Hinted in the tele that:
- 36 new services per week
- Eastern Suburbs and Illawarra Line: 20 new services per week.
- Western Line 10 new peak hour services each week
- six weekend services will be added to the South Coast Line.

As well as the new Bathurst service

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/sydney-news/cityrail-passengers-to-swelter-through-summer-on-non-airconditioned-trains/story-fnb5f12x-1226492494671

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  Blackadder Chief Commissioner

Location: Not the ECRL
Hinted in the tele that:
- 36 new services per week
- Eastern Suburbs and Illawarra Line: 20 new services per week.
- Western Line 10 new peak hour services each week
- six weekend services will be added to the South Coast Line.

As well as the new Bathurst service

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/sydney-news/cityrail-passengers-to-swelter-through-summer-on-non-airconditioned-trains/story-fnb5f12x-1226492494671
"kypros1992"


A Bit of smoke and mirrors with numbers from the Lib spin dept. eg losing a service from North Sydney to Springwood, with that service starting at Sydney Terminal is counted as a "new" service
  Last Train to Clarksville Station Staff

Commuters on the Eastern Suburbs and Illawarra Line are the big winners with 20 new services per week.


Believe it when I see it. where are they pulling more old trains to service the line from?

From the link on news the Illawarra will pickup 20 new services the Western will pickup 10 PEAK services.... Thinking you might be in luck if you're a pensioner needing to go shopping in the middle of the day but bad news if you're hoping to get home from work any sooner at the end of that day!
  jaseee Chief Train Controller


Hinted in the tele that:
- 36 new services per week
- Eastern Suburbs and Illawarra Line: 20 new services per week.
- Western Line 10 new peak hour services each week
- six weekend services will be added to the South Coast Line.

As well as the new Bathurst service

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/sydney-news/cityrail-passengers-to-swelter-through-summer-on-non-airconditioned-trains/story-fnb5f12x-1226492494671

"kypros1992"
A Bit of smoke and mirrors with numbers from the Lib spin dept. eg losing a service from North Sydney to Springwood, with that service starting at Sydney Terminal is counted as a "new" service
"Blackadder"


It is a new service. The service from North Sydney still exists, but it now runs to Penrith (as a normal express service). The Springwood service will follow this (so 4:35pm from Central for Penrith, 4:38pm for the Springwood service).

Also, I hate the way they report the number of new services. It is 2 extra services on the Western line per day, over 5 weekdays, which is 10 services per week. The statement is correct, but it makes it sound like there is more than what there really is.
  simonl Chief Commissioner

Location: Brisbane
^ Ah right.  I guess that's something.

Looking at the timetable the faster train has to overtake the slower one where there is no quadding to do so.  The faster train arrives at Penrith at 17:32 after running non stop from Parramatta and the slower train arrives at Penrith after at 17:34 after stopping all stations from Blacktown.  This is not possible unless they are using the up (inbound) track for overtaking moves.
  Last Train to Clarksville Station Staff
  jaseee Chief Train Controller

^ As with a lot of the other Penrith/Emu Plains express trains in the afternoon PM peak, after leaving Blacktown, they will XM to the Main line (outer tracks) to allow the Blue Mtns service to run down the Suburban line (inner tracks). The train will pass before the Penrith train gets to St Marys where the quad ends.

Would be nice if they had a S > M cross over between Seven Hills and Blacktown. They have a M > S one, but this is not very useful in the peak. It would allow greater utilisation of platform 7 at Blacktown.
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney

^ As with a lot of the other Penrith/Emu Plains express trains in the afternoon PM peak, after leaving Blacktown, they will XM to the Main line (outer tracks) to allow the Blue Mtns service to run down the Suburban line (inner tracks). The train will pass before the Penrith train gets to St Marys where the quad ends.

Would be nice if they had a S > M cross over between Seven Hills and Blacktown. They have a M > S one, but this is not very useful in the peak. It would allow greater utilisation of platform 7 at Blacktown.
"jaseee"


There is one...

  simonl Chief Commissioner

Location: Brisbane
Aren't the inners the mains and the outers the suburbans?  Otherwise the designation needs to swap en-route somewhere.

If the Mountains train really does overtake and get 2 minutes in front before St Marys it has gained 8 minutes missing only 5 stations.  Impressive.  But it then has to give up that gain waiting at Penrith???
  Blackadder Chief Commissioner

Location: Not the ECRL
Hinted in the tele that:
- 36 new services per week
- Eastern Suburbs and Illawarra Line: 20 new services per week.
- Western Line 10 new peak hour services each week
- six weekend services will be added to the South Coast Line.

As well as the new Bathurst service

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/sydney-news/cityrail-passengers-to-swelter-through-summer-on-non-airconditioned-trains/story-fnb5f12x-1226492494671
"kypros1992"
A Bit of smoke and mirrors with numbers from the Lib spin dept. eg losing a service from North Sydney to Springwood, with that service starting at Sydney Terminal is counted as a "new" service
"Blackadder"


It is a new service. The service from North Sydney still exists, but it now runs to Penrith (as a normal express service). The Springwood service will follow this (so 4:35pm from Central for Penrith, 4:38pm for the Springwood service).

Also, I hate the way they report the number of new services. It is 2 extra services on the Western line per day, over 5 weekdays, which is 10 services per week. The statement is correct, but it makes it sound like there is more than what there really is.
"jaseee"


To those travelling from the NS that continue past Penrith, it would be the loss of a service (hence the Smoke and Mirrors), and now a need to change at Central
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney

Aren't the inners the mains and the outers the suburbans? Otherwise the designation needs to swap en-route somewhere.

If the Mountains train really does overtake and get 2 minutes in front before St Marys it has gained 8 minutes missing only 5 stations. Impressive. But it then has to give up that gain waiting at Penrith???
"simonl"


 

"Urbans go on the surburban". Thats what I was taught. At Granville, the names all get changed around. So 

Granville P2-  Main

Parramatta P2- Down West Suburban.

  boxythingy Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
How about some realistic adjustments? I can suggest some such as  Campbelltown 9:21am to City via East Hills departing 8-10 minutes later, or even the 10:21am departing 6-8 minutes later? Although they sound pedantic, they could reduce the use of the 5min buffer for those services?  Idea That would certainly make the frequent passengers happier by not having to wait over 15-20 minutes instead of the planned 5-10 minutes for the train.
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney

That would certainly make the frequent passengers happier by not having to wait over 15-20 minutes instead of the planned 5-10 minutes for the train.
"boxythingy"


 

Get back to me when your services are 2 hours apart. Or even an hour apart.

  boxythingy Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
That would certainly make the frequent passengers happier by not having to wait over 15-20 minutes instead of the planned 5-10 minutes for the train.
"boxythingy"




Get back to me when your services are 2 hours apart. Or even an hour apart.
"seb2351"


Unlike you sir, I expect a Suburban grade service for living in a Suburban area. I think although adjusting a few numbers isn't doing any significantly constructive, it is much easier than offering a better service.

As for the telegraph article, that is hardly a suitable image.
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney

That would certainly make the frequent passengers happier by not having to wait over 15-20 minutes instead of the planned 5-10 minutes for the train.
"boxythingy"


 

Get back to me when your services are 2 hours apart. Or even an hour apart.

"seb2351"
Unlike you sir, I expect a Suburban grade service for living in a Suburban area. I think although adjusting a few numbers isn't doing any significantly constructive,
"boxythingy"


Unlike you, I am able to plan my life around the 


ShockedShocked inconvenience  ShockedShocked

Of waiting 15 minutes for a service. We are talking suburban trains, not metro.


Something is better then nothing. But of course, sir, you haven't ranted about some CityRail inadequancy for a week now. Please, go on and continue to make a fool of yourself.

 

I am off to wait 15 minutes for a train service- without whinging

ShockedShocked
  boxythingy Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
That would certainly make the frequent passengers happier by not having to wait over 15-20 minutes instead of the planned 5-10 minutes for the train.
"boxythingy"




Get back to me when your services are 2 hours apart. Or even an hour apart.

"seb2351"
Unlike you sir, I expect a Suburban grade service for living in a Suburban area. I think although adjusting a few numbers isn't doing any significantly constructive,
"boxythingy"


Unlike you, I am able to plan my life around the


ShockedShocked inconvenience  ShockedShocked

Of waiting 15 minutes for a service. We are talking suburban trains, not metro.


Something is better then nothing. But of course, sir, you haven't ranted about some CityRail inadequancy for a week now. Please, go on and continue to make a fool of yourself.



I am off to wait 15 minutes for a train service- without whinging

ShockedShocked
"seb2351"


You do understand that it is not a simple 15 minutes, but extra (often unknown) minutes resulting in a total 15 minute wait? Also, it is also not simply a 15 minute wait, as that extra waiting time results in loss of connection(s) to other services,l which in turn may also result in getting to one's destination just on time or over time.

Also, may I highlight:
5.13pm Bondi Junction to Kiama Front four carriages proceed to Kiama and the rear four carriages terminate at Wollongong. Departs Wollongong and all stations to Dapto 2-3 minutes later, arrives Kiama at 7.51pm.
  simonl Chief Commissioner

Location: Brisbane
The 30 minute frequency beyond Revesby out of peak is poor form and also prevents an 8 minute frequency on the Airport Line (more important at Green Square and Mascot of course).  Not the only example on Cityrail.

Not sure why boxy wants to move a single service though.
  boxythingy Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
The 30 minute frequency beyond Revesby out of peak is poor form and also prevents an 8 minute frequency on the Airport Line (more important at Green Square and Mascot of course).  Not the only example on Cityrail.

Not sure why boxy wants to move a single service though.
"simonl"


the 9:21 and 10:21am services are frequently, if not nearly always delayed as a result of late Southern Highlands and CountryLink services respectively. I'm sure these happen on other lines as well, however I encounter these delays on a weekly basis and they are therefore justified claims for a minor timetable tweak.
  simonl Chief Commissioner

Location: Brisbane
Maybe the xploder and Sth Highlands train should move.  Although I do see that a 15 minute suburban service would make it very troublesome to fit these trains in between.
  bowralcommuter Chief Commissioner

Location: Asleep on a Manly Ferry
The tracks down south have improved quite a bit over the last few months, which has improved the OTR of Southern Highlands services, and Canberra to an extent.

I might go down to Sydney Terminal on the Sunday and see the first down Bathurst Cityrail train service.
  Nathan1987 Chief Commissioner

Location: Mt Warrigal N.S.W
I don't understand 6 new services for South Coast Line, I can't see them anywhere.
  boxythingy Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
First of all, I am not making the point of a 15min frequency between Macarthur and Revesby- This acknowledge will not happen for a very long time.

What I am trying to say is, if they are not willing/unable to offer greater frequency because of the difficulties that specific services such as the 9:21am Campbelltown, which is almost always delayed, there should be a temporary solution implemented, such as the service being timetabled as something like say 9:26am. for example This is because that is when it usually arrives. Even if this does not fix the situation, and say that the train arrives 5 minutes late, at least it would still be "on time" (9:32am), vs retaining the current 9:21am time which would make the train 13 minutes late, added on top of waiting time.

Of course such a timetable change would be and is trivial, even I think so too, however we have to look at the reality and that it is unacceptable to sit on one's hands and do absolutely nothing to prevent/minimise regular occurrences of irregular waiting times of +9min, +4min, +12min rather than say just 5-6minutes waiting time for every other service which is not affected by well known and reoccurring events.

I understand that this issue is not only of my concern, I have contacted CityRail who forever is working with the ATRC to improve services and have been made aware that others too are inconvenienced.

The tracks down south have improved quite a bit over the last few months, which has improved the OTR of Southern Highlands services, and Canberra to an extent.

I might go down to Sydney Terminal on the Sunday and see the first down Bathurst Cityrail train service.
"bowralcommuter"


There used to be a time when there were more 9:21am Campbelltown trains which arrived within 5 minutes, then it deteriorated before improving and now it is back to the deteriorated state.
  maestro Junior Train Controller


Also, may I highlight:
5.13pmBondi Junction to Kiama Front four carriages proceed to Kiama and the rear four carriages terminate at Wollongong. Departs Wollongong and all stations to Dapto 2-3 minutes later, arrives Kiama at 7.51pm.
"boxythingy"


Yes, I noticed that as well... I am guessing that they will simply close off the rear four cars (rather than uncoupling them).
  bowralcommuter Chief Commissioner

Location: Asleep on a Manly Ferry

Also, may I highlight:
5.13pmBondi Junction to Kiama Front four carriages proceed to Kiama and the rear four carriages terminate at Wollongong. Departs Wollongong and all stations to Dapto 2-3 minutes later, arrives Kiama at 7.51pm.
"boxythingy"


Yes, I noticed that as well... I am guessing that they will simply close off the rear four cars (rather than uncoupling them).
"maestro"


Or just inform passengers through PIDs and guard announcements that anyone travelling south of Wollongong should travel in the front 4 cars.

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