If Pell told me that the sun would rise tomorrow morning, I'd want a second opinion.
Long term close friend of Tony Abbott. Pell could not lie straight in bed.
The Railpage lynch mob strikes again! We have the word of one very vocal man at the moment who is saying Pell offered him a bribe. Is there another side to this story, sure, but we don't need that here as the mob has already made up their mind.I'd have to say that a comment like that means you haven't been following the path of Mr Pell very closely. The man has form going back many years. If you'd said the words of very many vocal men, you'd have been closer to the mark. Pell has been a master of obfuscation ever since this whole sorry saga started to unfold years ago. He has a classic record of trying to defend the indefensible.
I'd have to say that a comment like that means you haven't been following the path of Mr Pell very closely. The man has form going back many years. If you'd said the words of very many vocal men, you'd have been closer to the mark. Pell has been a master of obfuscation ever since this whole sorry saga started to unfold years ago. He has a classic record of trying to defend the indefensible.Ah, no. You would be wrong. I am an atheist by nature, and don't care a whit about the fortunes of the catholic church, or any other for that matter, but I follow these events quite closely.
And to top it off, my favourite gripe about this forum, the ability to tie this in to Tony Abbott, simply by virtue of a friendship, whether real or otherwise.Well redneck theory says their both catholic and their both leaders (in some sense of the word) therefore 6 plus 9 equals 2 which means they both must be deep in the same crap
But in the meantime, we have a good portion of rednecks on this forum who are prepared to call the judgement and pronounce him guilty, all without due course of justice.I don't recall pronouncing him guilty. I most certainly do recall saying that I don't trust him to be truthful.
...at this stage the word of one man against another until such time as someone presents real evidence, as against hearsay, that Pell has committed any crime.It may have escaped your notice that sworn testimony is evidence.
Does anyone else on this thread think that Pell had a responsibility to deal with the horrific crimes now being uncovered?I think you will find if you consult the latest news, that Pell has agreed to appear by video or audio link at the enquiry, I don't think his physical appearance is necessary.
Also consider Pell spent much of his early career in the Priesthood in and around Ballarat. Yes Ballarat. To suggest Pell did not know or should not have known about these very serious cases of Child Abuse is a cop out.
There will never be, nor should there ever be any excuses for the sexual interference of any children especially by people in a position of trust such as the clergy. For this I make zero apologies.
Abbott and Pell both being Opus Dei would have known each other very well.
If Pell has nothing to worry about and has a clear conscious then let him come back to Australia and face questioning.
And so what if Abbott knew Pell, what possible bearing has it on the subject? You are introducing your own petty prejudices against the Liberal party and Abbott into the argument and it has no place there.
As for 'horrific crimes', if you are referring to members of the clergy molesting small children, then it was not, and is not endemic to the catholic church, the other churches are just as guilty of these acts.
I myself was subjected to molestation as a child, once by an anglican minister, a family member, a well-known ballet star and several strangers but I am not running up to a current affairs reporter and making a case of it. I dealt with it, it was unpleasant, certainly not horrifying and I got on with life. So I feel I am well qualified to speak on the matter. I am not interested in turning on the tears and claiming it ruined my life forever, because it certainly did not, however I am rather suspicious of the motives of others who do, especially when you see an employee of certain law firms in the background.
Omigawd - it's in a Royal Commission. Royal Commissions take sworn evidence, dear boy.So what? Until it is entered as evidence, and can be cross-examined then it is heresay:
Your comment about it being endemic i accept it is your view but it is too early in the proceedings to make that claim if my view.We are talking about the 1950s, back then the clergy were often associated with Boy Scout and Cub groups, often being leaders in either group and they were in there interfering with the troops. And there were bent Scout leaders as well, I experienced them.
And I am not your 'Dear Boy' thank you.First things first - my apologies.
So what? Until it is entered as evidence, and can be cross-examined then it is heresay:Have you ever sat in on a Royal Commission? I did on quite a few occasions at the Royal Commission examining the failure of King Street Bridge. This took place in the Hawthorn Town Hall in my student days, with Justice Barber in the Chair. You want to bet evidence was cross examined? Various sides were at each other hammer and tongs. I would expect the same opportunity to be afforded to any accused persons or other persons of interest such as Pell, if they wished to avail themselves of it.
The Railpage lynch mob strikes again! We have the word of one very vocal man at the moment who is saying Pell offered him a bribe. Is there another side to this story, sure, but we don't need that here as the mob has already made up their mind.
Consider this, why has this guy taken so long to come forward and make this accusation, as he could have done so several years ago?
And full marks to Bevans for politicising the issue, what on earth has Abbott got to do with it? Oh, sorry, I forgot, according to Bevans, Abbot is the root of all evil in this country, so naturally he is responsible for this situation as well. Truly pathetic.
Politicising Your defence of Abbott is to be expected.Your comment is also to be expected. You, like all the others here, assume because I don't like the politicising that I support Abbott or Pell. As usual you are wrong. I don't speak for nor support Abbott in anything. And, just for the record, I did not defend Abbott, I asked what possible reference he had to a discussion about Pell.
It was Abbott who made it political! He could have declined to comment. Did he jump to Pell’s defence as Tony Abbott a Catholic or as a Prime Minister representing all Australians? As a catholic or an Australian he wasn't speaking for me.
People like Pell and Abbott represent that arrogance under which such things thrived. This is out in the open now in spite of people who viewed the world as they do, intent on protecting the status quo. Enlightenment may come eventually but their type will fight it every step of the way.
Your comment is also to be expected. You, like all the others here, assume because I don't like the politicising that I support Abbott or Pell. As usual you are wrong. I don't speak for nor support Abbott in anything. And, just for the record, I did not defend Abbott, I asked what possible reference he had to a discussion about Pell.
What I do dislike is the constant political ranting that occurs on this forum, in that every subject discussed eventually comes down to politics. It is just like Godwin's Law, except you substitute politics for Hitler.
The Catholic Church are just the low hanging fruit, so is Pell.No. The Catholic Church is the one currently in the news, and therefore the obvious topic for comment.
Would I like the people responsible for my abuse to be brought to justice? Nope, I'd would rather let the whole thing be forgotten, most of them are probably dead now, and I know some certainly are, including the ballet person and the minister, so will never face justice.OK - your decision, and your way of handling it. Others have differing views about what they want done. I respect your view, and theirs.
'Fiddling with boys' was not really considered a crime back then, certainly not one that you reported. If you told your parents they most likely would have looked embarrassed and wanted you to keep quiet about it. About the worst that would happen is your father might go around and see the person and punch him in the face, but that was all that ever happened.