Maryborough numbers

 
  wyche123 Locomotive Fireman

Lets keep it simple. In the past few weeks; how many people have got on the morning train and how many have got off the evening train? At Maryborough.

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  AmeliaJane Beginner

I'm about to start.. And I can't get an earlier service than the 7.30am. So its bus to Castlemaine then train to Melbourne. I am aware of people who would like to move up that way, due to the house prices being so affordable, if there was an earlier service there would be more people.. A letter to the local MP no answer still.
  Watson374 Chief Commissioner

Location: Fully reclined at the pointy end.
Boo fricken hoo. You chose to move far away from transport; why should I pay for your parsimony?
"Sir Thomas Bent"

This.
  Ballast_Plough Chief Commissioner

Location: Lilydale, Vic
Lets keep it simple. In the past few weeks; how many people have got on the morning train and how many have got off the evening train? At Maryborough.
wyche123

Driver and conductor I suspect...
  Carnot Minister for Railways

The last official figures I saw were 9828 passengers carried between July 2011-June 2012.
Given that there are 365 x 2 scheduled services per year, that's an average of 13 passengers per train.

A typical train would carry many fewer than this since I can imagine one weekend every November (Energy Breakthru event) probably carries a large percentage of those 9828 who boarded last year!

Perhaps an XF Falcon station wagon with a bench-seat could do the job?  Plenty of those still in working order around Maryborough apparently...
  Sir Thomas Bent Minister for Railways

Location: Banned
Perhaps an XF Falcon station wagon with a bench-seat could do the job?  Plenty of those still in working order around Maryborough apparently...
Carnot
None for sale: but should anyone be interested in competing with the service:

There's a few options here
  ozfreight Chief Train Controller

Location: hawthorn 3122
None for sale: but should anyone be interested in competing with the service:

There's a few options here
Sir Thomas Bent
unless elz comes up with another niche market idea

edward
  Blinkey Junior Train Controller

I am a regular but not everyday user and have ben since it started. I often do a quick count of passengers who are on the train coming into Ballarat (so the count will include passengers from Clunes and Creswick.) The most I have counted arriving is over eighty... usuallly around fifty to sixty. A rough count of arrivals getting off at Maryborough of an evening is between thirty and forty. Clunes seems to have a fair amount of passengers both ways. I counted 18 the other morning getting on and I think 4  or 5 at Creswick. Often there may only be one getting on at Creswick  but six or eight is not uncommon.

I do travel  at weekends as well as there seems to be some consistancy between week days and week ends.

I have seen the  figures too and I can tell you there has NEVER been thirteen or less.

I wonder if I am just lucky and happen to get on trains that have more than thirteen on them.... probably not

Thats my experience.

The timetable is quite stupid and there would be more patronage if  it was more attuned to people's travel needs but that is a different argument
  Ads Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Low passenger numbers - would that suggest the current timetable does not suit the needs of the travelling public, or that the potential passenger market in the district is of a fairly small quantity?
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
I never understood the motivation of Brumby in extending the rail service from Ballarat to somewhere fairly obscure like Maryborough; in reality it was probably political because Joe Helper (the local Labor member for Ripon) advocated strongly for the return of the service to help revive Maryborough - one of the highest unemployment areas in the state.  I have friends who reside in Joe Helper's seat and they say that he's a really strong advocate for getting state money and services into his electroate - shame he's retiring at the next election.

Secondly, Creswick and Clunes have become favoured by tourists and tree-changers in the last decade so I guess there's somewhat of a growing market there.  As another poster pointed out though, one train a day (headed in the wrong direction) makes day-tripping from Melbourne difficult.  It does seem to be tuned more towards people commuting from Maryborough to Ballarat for work - maybe that's who it's aimed at?
  trainbrain Chief Commissioner

This service was aimed at those locals that work in Ballarat and for Day Trippers to Melbourne, perhaps an extra service  could be added on a Frday nite from Melbourne, witha day return on a Sunday departing from Melbourne to cater for the weekenders, with a Sunday afternoon departure from Maryborough. At least on a trial basis in the summer months. Worth a try?
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
This service was aimed at those locals that work in Ballarat and for Day Trippers to Melbourne, perhaps an extra service  could be added on a Frday nite from Melbourne, witha day return on a Sunday departing from Melbourne to cater for the weekenders, with a Sunday afternoon departure from Maryborough. At least on a trial basis in the summer months. Worth a try?
trainbrain
Under the current government impossible Exclamation

There's no political will to run extra services AND there are no spare VLocity sets to enable an expansion of the service.

Mike.
  Ballast_Plough Chief Commissioner

Location: Lilydale, Vic
Mike, if there aren't enough carsets today, doesn't that mean it's impossible for either government??
  Trainplanner Chief Commissioner

Location: Along the Line
TrainBrain is correct.  The Maryborough service was specifically targetted to provide a commuter timed service from Maryborough, Clunes and Creswick to Ballarat to facilitate access for commuters, students and other to access a whole range of "community" and Government services in Ballarat.   The service then running through to Melbourne to provide a day return service.  The concept is virtually identical to the Echuca service.   No additional rollingstock is technically required as these services are effectively "running on and running off the Ballarat".  If you look at a range of other locations in Victoria served by train or coach you'll see from the timetables that there are quite a number of similarly timed trips all intended to facilitate regional commuting to regional Cities.

What is unfortunate and it applies across the public transport sector generally not just in Victoria, is that there has not been the ongoing promotion of the Maryborough service like letterbox dropping timetables, raising community awareness and getting a whole range of community organisations actually organising their activities around the service so that it really is embedded so to speak.  Where those things have taken place and the Echuca service is a very good example you will get very good loadings.

Frequency and extra services.  There is no doubt that a day return service from Melbourne (like Echuca) on weekends is needed and there is the fleet available for that. I would strengthen that further with at least one mid week trip possibly Wed or Thursday but then fleet availability will be a problem unless those sets can form evening peak trips.  RRL may help there because you will get a guaranteed up path from Deer Park in and V'Locities can be turned around quickly.  From later this year with the signalling and level crossing upgrades complete between Ballarat and Maryborough, V'Locities are proposed to run at 130km/hr north of Ballarat so a day return service out of Melbourne around 0930 and back to form the evening peak services combined with RRL could be possible.

The stumbling block in this however is funding.  Whatever funding V/Line gets it needs to pour into more peak service and so services like this which do have their place will always be ranked lower.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
I caught the train to Ballarat on Wednesday afternoon to visit friends; it happened to be the Maryborough-bound train.  As it left I counted about 30 passengers on board the 3-car Velocity through to Maryborough.
  stick Locomotive Fireman

The morning Maryborough's average the 30 passengers from Maryborough then Clunes and Creswick on top of that. That is usually repeated going back on the down after Ballarat.
  Sir Thomas Bent Minister for Railways

Location: Banned
I'll say this again:

It. Is. A. Gigantic. Waste. Of. Money. And. Rollingstock.

There are times and places for heavy rail.  There are times and places for buses.  

Maryborough, like it or not, falls into the latter category.  Any thought otherwise is quickly exposed for being foamy bulls**t.
  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
The timetable shows that there are actually more bus services to/from Maryborough & city than there are trains - some via train to Castlemaine, some via train to Ballarat, a couple all the way to/from Melbourne.  How well patronised are these?
  Sir Thomas Bent Minister for Railways

Location: Banned
The ones that run direct are the runs overnight to and from Mildura.
  stick Locomotive Fireman

Quick look thru my records from last April I have for a 5 day week with the number of people on at Maryborough 46, 35, 34, 36, 27. Yesss its from last year but it hasnt changed a great deal except when something special on in Melbourne which on one train was 67 in total on.
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

I'm going to go with the figures that have the word "official", rather than the fuzzy maybe/might be/roughly numbers from some foaming loony...
"Sir Thomas Bent"


Is there any chance that patronage has increased in the nine months since the official figures were released? I have no idea - haven't been to Maryborough for years, although would take advantage of the opportunity to go there for a weekend, as you can for Echuca, if only the schedules would permit.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Is there any chance that patronage has increased in the nine months since the official figures were released? I have no idea - haven't been to Maryborough for years, although would take advantage of the opportunity to go there for a weekend, as you can for Echuca, if only the schedules would permit.
duttonbay
Official figures, may well be official...however are they accurate Question

This discrepancy may be a conspiracy thing by  PTV to downplay the services' popularity with a view to reduction or elimination of the daily rail service.

Mike.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
I tend to agree with Mike.  I have seen the service on two occasions. Both occasions had circa 30 people on board. I would not believe I thing I read from vline.  We need someone to take the numbers for us and report back here.
  Simbera Train Controller

How are the official figures calculated?  I'd say it's more likely that it's a systemic error rather than a conspiracy, if there is indeed a discrepancy between official and observed numbers.  For example, if you based it on the number of tickets sold, a number could be fare evading.  I've never been on the Maryborough service but I used to travel regularly between Ballarat and Ararat (which could be roughly analogous in many ways) and it was an extremely rare event for someone to go through the carriage inspecting tickets.
  beanzs27 Assistant Commissioner

why not have more connecting buses with the Maryborough train. like the Donald bus does on friday nights or even have the Mildura bus be a train to Maryborough.

you could have the Mildura bus met the Maryborough train in the Morning for a service to be in Melbourne by 8am and then have an evening train arrive into Maryborough at 10/11pm before the bus goes to Mildura.

it would mean that the Mildura bus will have to change but would mean less time on a bus.

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