Gawler Electrification Back on Track

 
  Seldom_21 Junior Train Controller

Location: South Australia
News just coming through from SA 2013 State budget that:

"Gawler rail electrification - $152.4 million over three years to electrify part of the Gawler line from Adelaide to Dry Creek. Work will start in November and be finished by December 2015. The project includes a new electrical substation at Kilburn."

Looks interesting, wonder if it will actually happen this time round.

Seems like a big Government ploy to get votes at next year's election, but hey, it would be great if it came off

Seldom

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  2001 Moderator The Snow Lord

Location: The road jump at Charlotte Pass. Paxman Valenta on two planks.
Adelaide to Dry Creek, ah, so the 4000 class can make it to the depot.

No use for the commuters, until the wire stretches the full distance.
  Top Cat Assistant Commissioner

Location: Under Hilton Bridge
....but all via Adelaide station......with no Gaol Loop reconnected on their "job list" at all in the future....what a shame.Crying or Very sad
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

Apart from perhaps adding some flexibility, what market would the Gaol Loop serve on the Adelaide suburban train network?
  mclaren2007 Assistant Commissioner

Location: recharging my myki
It would allow trains to turn
  Milkomeda Chief Train Controller

I could see nothing but rage from this coming from commuters on the Gawler Line. They won't be happy to hear the line isn't getting fully electrified which means Gawler Line gets shafted over the Noarlunga Line again with no passenger service for electric trains on the line.
  Calgully Deputy Commissioner

Location:
Apart from perhaps adding some flexibility, what market would the Gaol Loop serve on the Adelaide suburban train network?
duttonbay

Direct trains from Dry Creek to the Showgrounds?
  greasyrhys Chief Commissioner

Location: MacDonald Park, SA
It will just about be the end of Jumbos in the Adelaide metro area as well. Sad
  Milkomeda Chief Train Controller

It will just about be the end of Jumbos in the Adelaide metro area as well. Sad
greasyrhys

Yeah I didn't think of that they wouldn't be able to run Jumbos any more if the clearance won't be high enough. So this maybe what kills the jumbos off once and for all.
Have they even got enough 3000/3100 railcars to service the Belair, OH and Gawler Lines all at once?
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

Yeah I didn't think of that they wouldn't be able to run Jumbos any more if the clearance won't be high enough. So this maybe what kills the jumbos off once and for all.
Have they even got enough 3000/3100 railcars to service the Belair, OH and Gawler Lines all at once?
Milkomeda

There will be more 4000s than 2000s so do the maths!
  mclaren2007 Assistant Commissioner

Location: recharging my myki
The Jumbos are a relic to a bygone era

We need to move into the 21st century (or the 20th given the fact that most cities has electric by then)
  Milkomeda Chief Train Controller

There will be more 4000s than 2000s so do the maths!
steam4ian

Well better question I should be asking is when the Seaford extension goes open to public will the entire line be serviced with nothing but 4000s or will there still be some 3000s making the Journey to Seaford in express services?
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

Well better question I should be asking is when the Seaford extension goes open to public will the entire line be serviced with nothing but 4000s or will there still be some 3000s making the Journey to Seaford in express services?
Milkomeda

Mathematics my dear Watson.

There were more 4000s ordered than required for the Seaford line., When Gawler electrification was cancelled there was talk of reducing the order but contract variation costs* ruled that out. *And perhaps common sense.

With surplus 4000s there will be no need for DMUs on the Seaford or Tonsley lines.

Operationally it would be better to run just one type of vehicle so acceleration and braking work to the same profiles. this is one reason why the Tonsley line is also being electrified. Also it is better for crews to always have one type of unit on the route. The EMU's should have much greater acceleration than the 3000s. Take a history lesson about what happened on the once busy Port line when steam, Brills and Red Hens were mixed.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

It will just about be the end of Jumbos in the Adelaide metro area as well. Sad
greasyrhys
All together now munchkins...



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  Milkomeda Chief Train Controller

Mathematics my dear Watson.

There were more 4000s ordered than required for the Seaford line., When Gawler electrification was cancelled there was talk of reducing the order but contract variation costs* ruled that out. *And perhaps common sense.

With surplus 4000s there will be no need for DMUs on the Seaford or Tonsley lines.

Operationally it would be better to run just one type of vehicle so acceleration and braking work to the same profiles. this is one reason why the Tonsley line is also being electrified. Also it is better for crews to always have one type of unit on the route. The EMU's should have much greater acceleration than the 3000s. Take a history lesson about what happened on the once busy Port line when steam, Brills and Red Hens were mixed.
steam4ian

Well to elaborate better on my question I know there will be enough EMUs to cover the line but will there be enough already delivered/tested when the extension goes into public service?
  fabricator Chief Commissioner

Location: Gawler
Adelaide to Dry Creek, ah, so the 4000 class can make it to the depot.

No use for the commuters, until the wire stretches the full distance.
2001
Extending it the few kilometers to Mawson Lakes would make it worth running the odd shuttle train between there and the city.

Its in the budget, but not known how long till construction starts.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
There will be more 4000s than 2000s so do the maths!
"steam4ian"

The 4000s are refurbed 3000s...
  rouseabout Junior Train Controller

Sounds great, on every journey you will have to change trains at Dry Creek. Any upgrade to the station there, or will you have to walk/stand on an exposed platform in crappy weather?
Fix it Pat, whoops, JAY!
  fabricator Chief Commissioner

Location: Gawler
Sounds great, on every journey you will have to change trains at Dry Creek. Any upgrade to the station there, or will you have to walk/stand on an exposed platform in crappy weather?
Fix it Pat, whoops, JAY!
rouseabout
What are you talking about, the wires are solely so electric trains can get to and from the depot for maintenance. They won't be carrying passengers, hence my comment to extend the wires to Mawson Lakes so maybe the odd electric trains could terminate there during peak hour. Its a rather busy station so would be enough passengers to make it viable.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
THE decision to take the wires that far makes a lot of sense given previous discussions on access to Dry Creek from the electric network.  Part of the line getting done is better than none.
  Milkomeda Chief Train Controller

Well the Seaford Depot was always intended to be a temporary depot wasn't it?
  2001 Moderator The Snow Lord

Location: The road jump at Charlotte Pass. Paxman Valenta on two planks.
Well the Seaford Depot was always intended to be a temporary depot wasn't it?
Milkomeda
Permanent.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

THE decision to take the wires that far makes a lot of sense given previous discussions on access to Dry Creek from the electric network.  Part of the line getting done is better than none.
don_dunstan
Especially if that part slowly gets things moving towards having the whole lot done. It's only a few more kilometres to Mawson Lakes, and only a few more to Salisbury, and then only...
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

They will nee Dry Creek to store the surplus EMUs.

Seaford is designed as a permanent depot.
  DrJames Junior Train Controller

Location: Adelaide, SA
Cost wise I guess it'd be a chunk of extra cash to go as far as Mawson, as it's a fair gap between that and Dry Creek.  Using a couple of surplus EMUs to run from Mawson to Adelaide and increase frequency would at least be a good PR exercise for Gawler line commuters that won't see full electrification for a while - and possibly reduce congestion on some morning express services.  I remember when I used to catch the train from Salisbury, it was standing room only by the time it got to Mawson.

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