The New Sydney Trains thread

 
  Faceless Locomotive Fireman

Location:
Time to start a new railway? This is kind of a spin off to the Cityrail observations thread. Many big changes have been set in concrete. From the death of Station managers to paint jobs,logos,uniforms and the Opal card. Today I also noted that My Multi 1 will no longer be accepted on Ferries as of Sept. No more Family fun day tickets from TVMs on any day. (That was just a dumb loophole)
I do ponder if anything really will change in time. I don't expect the traveling public to change overnight in regards to respecting the service. The bottom line is the railways are a public service and will never show a profit unless the price of tickets is jacked up. No doubt that will happen if the private sector ever takes control. it appears to me thats what direction it is moving to. The big overhaul of the railways will bring many changes to staff and tighten the belt. Once that is complete and running smoothly the next step will be to stop or slow down the actual running costs of the network.
Anyway, spotted this!

[img]http://i1366.photobucket.com/albums/r779/Brad_Kuepur/photo_zpsd559772f.png[/img]

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  Highrise Assistant Commissioner

Is this another trial? Hope so, because just like the OScar scheme, this is just as bad.
  fixitguy Chief Train Controller

Location: In Carriage 4 on a Tangara
I kind of prefered the old look. this look doesn't spell modern and/or sophisticated. guess thats what cityrail isn't and they wanted to reflect that:lol:
  Throughwestmail Train Controller

Time to start a new railway? This is kind of a spin off to the Cityrail observations thread. Many big changes have been set in concrete. From the death of Station managers to paint jobs,logos,uniforms and the Opal card. Today I also noted that My Multi 1 will no longer be accepted on Ferries as of Sept. No more Family fun day tickets from TVMs on any day. (That was just a dumb loophole)
I do ponder if anything really will change in time. I don't expect the traveling public to change overnight in regards to respecting the service. The bottom line is the railways are a public service and will never show a profit unless the price of tickets is jacked up. No doubt that will happen if the private sector ever takes control. it appears to me thats what direction it is moving to. The big overhaul of the railways will bring many changes to staff and tighten the belt. Once that is complete and running smoothly the next step will be to stop or slow down the actual running costs of the network.
Anyway, spotted this!

[img]http://i1366.photobucket.com/albums/r779/Brad_Kuepur/photo_zpsd559772f.png[/img]
Faceless
But aren't V sets NSW Trains?

And probably the best of all, no concession tickets from TVMs when the ticket window is open ( trialing at selected stations and hopefully system wide.)
  sandown Chief Commissioner

Location: sydney
It'll look great with an Aussie flag in the window.
  mandonov Station Staff

I think that strip of red is meant to represent NSW TrainLinks colour.
  Watson374 Chief Commissioner

Location: Fully reclined at the pointy end.
I think that strip of red is meant to represent NSW TrainLinks colour.
"mandonov"

I'm inclined to agree Razz
  thadocta Chief Commissioner

Location: Katoomba
I do ponder if anything really will change in time. I don't expect the traveling public to change overnight in regards to respecting the service. The bottom line is the railways are a public service and will never show a profit unless the price of tickets is jacked up. No doubt that will happen if the private sector ever takes control. it appears to me thats what direction it is moving to.
Faceless
Not really, not if you adopt the model being used for bus services, where a contract is let to an operator after a tendering process, the government provides the vehicles to operate the service, the government sets the fares and retains all of the fare income. The incentive for tenderers to get the contract is to reduce the cost to the government, the incentive for the contractor to increase profit is to reduce the cost of the operation. Works for buses, can't see why it can't work for trains as well.

I quite like that photo posted, is it genuine or PhotoShopped?

Dave
  HeadShunt Chief Train Controller

That V set looks awful...


Not really, not if you adopt the model being used for bus services...
the incentive for the contractor to increase profit is to reduce the cost of the operation
thadocta
Under that arrangement, the operator could make a profit out of its contract with the government, but with the government still owning and funding everything, Sydney Trains (or whatever) would still not be profitable, right?
  bernerd Junior Train Controller

If you think the outside of that V set is awful, wait until you see the purple interior...
  mboi84 Junior Train Controller

Location: Sydney
Time to start a new railway? This is kind of a spin off to the Cityrail observations thread. Many big changes have been set in concrete. From the death of Station managers to paint jobs,logos,uniforms and the Opal card. Today I also noted that My Multi 1 will no longer be accepted on Ferries as of Sept. No more Family fun day tickets from TVMs on any day. (That was just a dumb loophole)
I do ponder if anything really will change in time. I don't expect the traveling public to change overnight in regards to respecting the service. The bottom line is the railways are a public service and will never show a profit unless the price of tickets is jacked up. No doubt that will happen if the private sector ever takes control. it appears to me thats what direction it is moving to. The big overhaul of the railways will bring many changes to staff and tighten the belt. Once that is complete and running smoothly the next step will be to stop or slow down the actual running costs of the network.
Anyway, spotted this!

[img]http://i1366.photobucket.com/albums/r779/Brad_Kuepur/photo_zpsd559772f.png[/img]
Faceless
OMG the new livery for NSWTrain Link looks absolutely ugly as crap!! I much rather the current version over that anyway!!

On a second note, it would seem NSW TrainLink staff uniforms look somewhat the same as the current CityRail uniform except with one added new feature, the red belt!! (Wonder how much it cost to work that out!!) -
  bowralcommuter Chief Commissioner

Location: Asleep on a Manly Ferry
I wonder if Railpage will change the 2 forums to NSW trainlink forum and Sydney trains forum?
  HeadShunt Chief Train Controller

Here you go! V1 the future!


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Jono.
Johnny_Walton
Oh God, what have they done to our beautiful trains?
The yellow doors were bad enough despite their apparent purpose. The existing stickers and plain black car numbers suck. The new logo sucks. Yellow, red and grey on the front is horrible.
Purple seats? I thought that was a joke when it was first mentioned by bernerd in an earlier post lol...
Shocking!
  Dungog Diesel Junior Train Controller

Yes I agree. Did they just pick the colour scheme out of a graphic design catalog and approve it with no idea how it would look when applied to an actual train?

Yuck is all I can say. Yuck.
  bernerd Junior Train Controller

I wouldn't joke about something like this. What a shame for the best train in the fleet.
  mboi84 Junior Train Controller

Location: Sydney
Here you go! V1 the future!


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Jono.
Johnny_Walton

Ok so a couple of questions here:

1) what was the person smoking or taking when they dreamed this sh*t up??
2) Who in their right mind would ever board this train and be proud of it as a new transport revolution??

In a sarcastic note - all they need is to have a Dj, Disco Ball, bar and dance floor and hello Disco 60's. How would you like your martini, shaken or stirred Wink
  mboi84 Junior Train Controller

Location: Sydney
The only thing missing is desto screens really
  dirge Chief Train Controller

Location: 33° 58' 6" S; 151° 7' 28" E
What bothers me about the cosmetic changes to the V-Sets is the potential needless cost of switching to purple seats. I don't care if they're purple (I hated the green too) but I sincerely hope it provides a proper upgrade to the materials used/enhances commuter comfort or will be done only as needed.

FWIW it's worth I feel the same about uniforms (which we know will be a gradual change, thankfully).
  thefatcontroller Assistant Commissioner

Location: Sydney, Australia
Does anybody have any information about the Tangara (T69 I think) that was getting a Metro style refurb with inwards facing seats?
Cheers
  mboi84 Junior Train Controller

Location: Sydney
Here you go! V1 the future!


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Jono.
Johnny_Walton

Jono, I just noticed on the pic above that it seems the handles to the doors have been taken off. A small thing but are they getting replaced with new ones or is there a plan for a full replacement of existing/old handle system on the doors???
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
I'm glad everyone is quoting the images, it makes scrolling through the thread really simple.

Anyway, with that snarky remark out of the way...

I like it. The new livery and interior looks modern and positive. It's given a new lease of life to a tired, clapped out old train. Now, the challenge will be to maintain this strong new image, keep the seats clean and graffiti/stain free. Clean the carpet so as to avoid the gum trodden into it, the dirt smeared into it, the windows scratched. Avoid the yellow doors fading from frequent graffiti removal. Etc etc.

I still don't think V Sets, or any "suburban/interurban" train of today needs to have carpet.

I'd love to see the V Set fleet retained as a pseudo interurban/intercity service, similar to Melbourne, with booked seat cars and non-booked seat cars. No suburban passengers. Fullstop. Let them do Newcastle/Kiama/Lithgow. Let OSCars take everyone else to Wyong/Springwood/Wollongong, as well as suburban commuters looking for a "fast train".
  mboi84 Junior Train Controller

Location: Sydney
I'd love to see the V Set fleet retained as a pseudo interurban/intercity service, similar to Melbourne, with booked seat cars and non-booked seat cars. No suburban passengers. Fullstop. Let them do Newcastle/Kiama/Lithgow. Let OSCars take everyone else to Wyong/Springwood/Wollongong, as well as suburban commuters looking for a "fast train".
Raichase

Railchase whilst I would probably agree with you, I wouldn't even pay to go on a v set if as a wheelchair user, ALL V set carriages have spaces for wheelchair in the saloon are instead of the entry/exist vestibule because thats where I currently have to be as a wheelchair user sadly and I just wouldn't pay for it. I mean I use the central Coast line a lot as well as the blue mountains line and to be placed in this area and move side to side because of the various exist points per station - plus being in the extreme cold or heat when others have a/c and I (amounst other disabled users) get stuck in that area yet pay for it - hell no!!

I say either make them accessible or use them less to even somewhat scrapping them!!
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
Firstly, it's "Raichase", not "Railchase". Please do me the courtesy of spelling my name right.

Secondly, I completely agree with you - the interior of selected cars needs to be modified to provide an accessible place inside the main carriage. It's just not acceptable in this day and age that a person should be made to endure a trip in the drafty, smelly vestibule, where one obstructs at least one of four doors at all times. As fun as the old trains are for the enthusiasts, it's not fun at all for someone in your position, and I sympathize completely. Any overhaul of these trains should be more than cosmetic.

As for having to pay for it, I don't mean to make it more expensive, just to better manage crowding by having booked seat carriages - they're designed for seated passengers, NOT for large numbers of standees.
  mboi84 Junior Train Controller

Location: Sydney
Firstly, it's "Raichase", not "Railchase". Please do me the courtesy of spelling my name right.

Secondly, I completely agree with you - the interior of selected cars needs to be modified to provide an accessible place inside the main carriage. It's just not acceptable in this day and age that a person should be made to endure a trip in the drafty, smelly vestibule, where one obstructs at least one of four doors at all times. As fun as the old trains are for the enthusiasts, it's not fun at all for someone in your position, and I sympathize completely. Any overhaul of these trains should be more than cosmetic.

As for having to pay for it, I don't mean to make it more expensive, just to better manage crowding by having booked seat carriages - they're designed for seated passengers, NOT for large numbers of standees.
Raichase

I do apologise Raichase. I honestly should have double checked my spelling before hitting send. I hope you can accept my apologies. Honestly I didn't mean to mis-spell your name.

I do understand where you are coming, but I would say before any booked seats application or system could be put in place, then the fleet would need to be fully made accessible before this happens - just from a wheelchair users perspective at least.

The only thing is that if you have a booked seats system, would commuters expect like "first class" system like most UK based train companies provide??

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