Bayside X'Traps

 
  shaun001 Station Master

Are the X'Trapolis being tested to soon run in revenue on the Sandringham line in addition to Frankston, Werribee & Williamstown?

I see that an X'Trapolis was doing compatibility tests along the line on Monday

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  jdekorte Deputy Commissioner

Location: Near Caulfield Station
Are the X'Trapolis being tested to soon run in revenue on the Sandringham line in addition to Frankston, Werribee & Williamstown?

I see that an X'Trapolis was doing compatibility tests along the line on Monday
shaun001
There are new pictures up on VicSig of an X'Trap set being tested along the Sandringham line. The testing included visits into the sidings at Sandringham & Brighton Beach. I must say that the picture of the X'Trap in Windsor Platform 1 looked quite picturesque.
  jodes_44 Beginner

Does anyone know how the works are progressing on the Frankston line for the X'Trapolis trains ?
  alstom_888m Chief Commissioner

Location:
Frankston I can't see why not, but Werribee, Sunbury, Craigieburn, Pakenham, Cranbourne? These lines have extensive 115km/h running.
  Madjikthise Assistant Commissioner

Could easily do Craigieburn at 90km/h.
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
I think an X'Trap to Craigieburn would easily outpace a Comeng struggling to hit 70 up the hill prior to the 115km/h section. In light rain, it might be a bit of fun however. That said, a Comeng does hold the speed record on that line going the other direction. Smile

I think it would be possible to run an X'Trap on all lines with a bit of timetable meddling, surely it would only be about 2-3 minutes later than normal at worst (not counting bogans and underage "gangstas" forcing doors). It's not exactly required to do 115km/h non-stop from Newport to Werribee, or Dandenong to Pakenham like a V/Line service.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Given that the entire system runs like a shaggy dog why do we/they worry about a minute here or there. I saw a Comeng toddling up Glenroy the other day on three motors, Didn't seem to make any real difference.

If Metro really wanted to improve timekeeping on platforms 4/5 at Flinders Street they would remove the crew changes there and the the mandatory/necessary handover information between drivers.
  merlin Chief Commissioner

Location: North East Adelaide
If you want to "un-shaggy" the system, then worrying about a minute "here and there" is exactly the right course of action.

Removing driver changeovers @FSS isn't going to help; firstly they're built into the timetable so don't represent a time loss, and secondly changeovers have to happen "somewhere"....it's an intrinsic and unavoidable part of running the system.
  Madjikthise Assistant Commissioner

Once again someone suggesting the removal of changeover at Flinders St. when it will achieve nothing as passengers getting on and off at peak times take longer, most of the time we are facing a red signal anyway, and the signalling arrangement means trains can't get in and out in 20 seconds, let alone 2 minutes.
Add to this the fact that Metrol half the time can't decide where to send a train after it gets to Flinders St. how do you suggest getting drivers to where they need to be for their next run?
  Bullucked Assistant Commissioner

Once again someone suggesting the removal of changeover at Flinders St. when it will achieve nothing as passengers getting on and off at peak times take longer, most of the time we are facing a red signal anyway, and the signalling arrangement means trains can't get in and out in 20 seconds, let alone 2 minutes.
Add to this the fact that Metrol half the time can't decide where to send a train after it gets to Flinders St. how do you suggest getting drivers to where they need to be for their next run?
Madjikthise
And we all saw how well the North Melbourne experiment worked Shocked
  Bullucked Assistant Commissioner

Once again someone suggesting the removal of changeover at Flinders St. when it will achieve nothing as passengers getting on and off at peak times take longer, most of the time we are facing a red signal anyway, and the signalling arrangement means trains can't get in and out in 20 seconds, let alone 2 minutes.
Add to this the fact that Metrol half the time can't decide where to send a train after it gets to Flinders St. how do you suggest getting drivers to where they need to be for their next run?
And we all saw how well the North Melbourne experiment worked Shocked Same smeg, different location with the added bonus of it making drivers hopelessly out of position for their next run. Not to mention time wasted travelling to and from Norda Melbourne.....
  shrekman Junior Train Controller

Location: E.R.D.
Next time any of you are at Flinders St during peak hour, time how long it takes for the train to clear platform 2/3, or 6/7 and get to the viaduct and clear the section.  If you stick to the rules and regs, its about 1 minute 45 seconds. Driver changeover has no effect on this, we are timetabled for 2 mins (1 minute on plat 4/5). Eliminating driver changeover at Flinders St is more about using the station for purposes other than a driver depot. It has nothing to do with running the trains on time!
  Bullucked Assistant Commissioner

Eliminating driver changeover at Flinders St is more about using the station for purposes other than a driver depot. It has nothing to do with running the trains on time!
shrekman
Aint that the truth. Right now they're busy trying to work out how they can fit retail outlets between the platforms and get rid of those pesky trains, ala platform 11.  

What were we talking about again?
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Aint that the truth. Right now they're busy trying to work out how they can fit retail outlets between the platforms and get rid of those pesky trains, ala platform 11.  

What were we talking about again?
Bullucked
Southern Cross got much worse with the 'renovation', like trying to find your way out through the crowds isn't hard enough.  Melbourne Central was bastardised with the removal of the Swanston Street escalators forcing you to go back into that damn shopping centre before you can exit.  Now we have them doing the same crap to Flinders Street (again!) with making it into even more of a rat's maze than it already is?

I've seen similar set-ups in the United Kingdom but over there they tend not to actually obstruct your path with the shops - they're kept orderly.  I wonder what will happen in an emergency with a massive crowd like on New Years or some other kind of event? Just like plastering ads all over trains now they seem determined to screw every last cent they can from the trains in the process of running the system into the ground.

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