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  Milkomeda Chief Train Controller

Yes thank you assuming electric train services begin on the 17th how many of the trains do you expect to see begin passenger service that day?

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  dvdplaza Chief Train Controller

You were right on the money Jumbo2001, even using your timings to predict the next arrival at ARS later in the evening was bang on the exact minute - well done Smile

Here's a couple more I took...



  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

That last shot shows something very rare - a spot where the OHLE gantries blend into the background quite nicely!

I noticed bags of stuff to simulate a passenger load on one of the photos shown on page 20 - have there been tests of emergency evacuation onto platforms and to non-platform locations yet, after the ones last year which were cancelled due to the Seaford line not being certified for passengers?
  dvdplaza Chief Train Controller

I noticed bags of stuff to simulate a passenger load on one of the photos shown on page 20 - have there been tests of emergency evacuation onto platforms and to non-platform locations yet, after the ones last year which were cancelled due to the Seaford line not being certified for passengers?
"justapassenger"


I contacted Bombardier last week and they advised still nothing scheduled...
  Jumbo2001 Junior Train Controller

Yes thank you assuming electric train services begin on the 17th how many of the trains do you expect to see begin passenger service that day?
Milkomeda


Seaford Line opens on the 23rd of February. Has been said at work for quite a while now that that is the date. Rosters posted yesterday at work confirm this.

So, given everything, I would expect at least one (being 4003), perhaps 2 sets but no more than that at this stage.

And no worries dvdplaza, I'm glad I could help to have this very big occasion in the history of the Adelaide Metro Railways recorded by so many interested and enthusiastic people.
  62430 Chief Train Controller

Location: Metro Adelaide
Some excellent photos there! I was lucky to be around the station at the time it arrived so I took a bit of a gander at it coming in. Quite the occasion, even as low key really as it was.

Fantastic to see all of the work come to fruition!

From all reports, 4001 performed flawlessly on its run into Adelaide Station.

Thanks guys for the thanks for the information I provided. Some people obviously aren't as grateful, but its nice to be appreciated when this type of information is shared. Certainly means I wont hesitate in sharing in the future. As far as planned movements go, this one was right on the button for times!

Finally, I can report 4003 has completed all of its testing and commissioning so should be right to go for the start of services this month Smile
Jumbo2001

Thanks again for the info. I captured these shots at Mile End.

It's great to see something running under the wires after many months of wire-watching.

Alex C



  Milkomeda Chief Train Controller
  Mufreight Train Controller

Location: North Ipswich
http://tenplay.com.au/news/adelaide/2014/2/5/raw--electric-train-test
Milkomeda

Harking back to the introduction of sparks here in Brisbane when operations started there were only a limited number of sets and as more were delivered they filled out the timetable and replaced the loco hauled sets, I would not be surprised to see Seaford open with only four sets in service supplemented with diesel railcars to make up the timetable which would be timed for the sparks and the diesel sets running as close to that timetable as possible.
Commencing operations will accelerate the driver training as well.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

As there will only be a minority of services run by EMUs over the next few months with the majority run by the 3000/3100 DEMUs, the first couple of Seaford timetables will have to be timed for DEMUs. The public confidence in the ability of the rail system to run on time is already about as low as it could possibly go (the trains have a worse % on time figure than two of the bus contracts, despite having greater leeway than the buses) and deliberately making over 75% of peak trains run late will not help the medium term goals of trying to convince people to return to public transport after the shutdowns of the last years.

It helps that there is a big difference compared to the Brisbane electrification - this is not a revolution but the EMUs only represent an incremental upgrade from what are some very high quality DEMUs with impressive performance. The amount of 'slack' which an EMU would have at each stop running on a DEMU timetable will be in the order of seconds, not minutes.
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

Justapax

For once I agree with what you have said, well almost all.

I agree the 3000s are good DEMUs and perform well inspite of their nick name "Pox Boxes".

Until all trains are EMUs they must all run to a DEMU timetable. According to rumours and discussion elsewhere they may even have to allow for 2000s.

The 4000s will however have a much better power/weight ratio than the 3000s and better acceleration. Ultimately this should allow 1.5 minute timings between stops not 2.0 mins as at present. Ultimately an ALL EMU timetable a "stops all" would see 7 to 10 mins shaved of the present times.

Adelaide's electrifcation is only a progressive improvement unlike the quatum leaps of Perth and Brisbane.

The public are also going to have to be trained (pun intended) to enter and exit trains promptly. None of this waiting until the train stops to leave your seat. This will reduce dwell times. Don't get me started on the driver having to leave the controls to deploy the ramp. This is a major safety issue which will one day result in a serious SPAD due to the break in concentration.

Ian
  Heath Assistant Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, SA
Hi,
unfortunately I could not make it to the introductory run into the ARS however I would like to congratulate Adelaide Metro, Bombardier and every other organisation who has helped to make this all possible.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

I agree the 3000s are good DEMUs and perform well inspite of their nick name "Pox Boxes".

Until all trains are EMUs they must all run to a DEMU timetable. According to rumours and discussion elsewhere they may even have to allow for 2000s.
"steam4ian"
I can't see the allowances for 2000s being an issue. Even if they do get cut down to size it would be a simple matter of choosing to use only DEMUs - just as that choice was made for the last five or so years for all Belair line trains with just a handful of exceptions when something was not going right on the day.
The 4000s will however have a much better power/weight ratio than the 3000s and better acceleration. Ultimately this should allow 1.5 minute timings between stops not 2.0 mins as at present. Ultimately an ALL EMU timetable a "stops all" would see 7 to 10 mins shaved of the present times.
"steam4ian"
I'm sure the power to weight will be a bit better, but it's the ratio of applicable traction to weight which I'd be more interested in for short runs between stops where the ability to keep applying traction at higher speeds (i.e. power) is irrelevant. An electric unit will only have two more powered axles than a three car DEMU consist, with the disadvantage of having a similar total mass but with the heaviest car only putting weight on trailing axles.

On a typical two minute station to station run with the closely-spaced stops of the Seaford line, I would be truly astonished if an EMU managed to claw back any more than 10-15 seconds on a DEMU in the time it is accelerating before hitting the next braking point. Braking performance is not going to be significantly better (not once defensive driving is applied) which leaves just the acceleration phase of a run where the EMU can gain an advantage compared to a DEMU.

The public are also going to have to be trained (pun intended) to enter and exit trains promptly. None of this waiting until the train stops to leave your seat. This will reduce dwell times. Don't get me started on the driver having to leave the controls to deploy the ramp. This is a major safety issue which will one day result in a serious SPAD due to the break in concentration.
"steam4ian"
Agree completely. If these EMUs do not have faster-closing doors with optical sensors and automated wheelchair ramps then somebody at the department has not done their job properly.

The combination of ERTMS Level 1 implementation and a Driver Reminder Appliance should prevent SPADs, but there's more reasons that the concentration of a driver is important than just preventing a SPAD.
  GeoffreyHansen Minister for Railways

Location: In a FAM sleeper
Good Pictures dvdplazza

You were right on the money Jumbo2001, even using your timings to predict the next arrival at ARS later in the evening was bang on the exact minute - well done Smile

Here's a couple more I took...



"dvdplaza"
  62430 Chief Train Controller

Location: Metro Adelaide
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I'm sure the power to weight will be a bit better, but it's the ratio of applicable traction to weight which I'd be more interested in for short runs between stops where the ability to keep applying traction at higher speeds (i.e. power) is irrelevant. An electric unit will only have two more powered axles than a three car DEMU consist, with the disadvantage of having a similar total mass but with the heaviest car only putting weight on trailing axles.

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justapassenger

The motor cars are 46.7T whereas the trailers are 43.5T.
http://www.railpage.com.au/f-p1873295.htm#1873295

Alex C
  62430 Chief Train Controller

Location: Metro Adelaide
Here is a puzzle.  The photos from Tuesday evening's test run show the unit involved to be 4001. However the DPTI website http://dpti.sa.gov.au/infrastructure/RR/rail_revitalisation/works_notifications#Newelectrictrains has a video which is entitled "First electric train arrives: Adelaide Railway Station 5th February" in which the unit is 4003.  The opening shot is in daytime and the closing shot shows it to be Platform 1, with a 3.15 departure to NC being shown on the indicator.   The content of the video was similar to the Ten News video that was linked to from this thread on Wednesday.  However the Ten video is now unavailable and so I couldn't confirm the unit involved.

Was there a daytime electric run by 4003 to ARS on Wednesday?

Alex C
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Yes.

Interestingly, four units in service should be enough to run an 80% electric service if/when regular weekend trains come back, the current Adelaide-Noarlunga-Adelaide round trip time of 112 minutes will increase to at least 122 minutes depending on the timetable.

Is it known yet who the Federal Government will send to open their new station outside the Showgrounds and their line to Seaford? Would it be the Prime Minister or the Minister for Infrastructure? I can't imagine them being asleep enough to let the state government take credit for projects paid for by federal money during a state election campaign.
  witsend Chief Commissioner

Location: Front RH Seat of a School Bus
They did send Jaimie Briggs to the Superway opening.
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

Here is a puzzle. The photos from Tuesday evening's test run show the unit involved to be 4001. However the DPTI website http://dpti.sa.gov.au/infrastructure/RR/rail_revitalisation/works_notifications#Newelectrictrains has a video which is entitled "First electric train arrives: Adelaide Railway Station 5th February" in which the unit is 4003. The opening shot is in daytime and the closing shot shows it to be Platform 1, with a 3.15 departure to NC being shown on the indicator. The content of the video was similar to the Ten News video that was linked to from this thread on Wednesday. However the Ten video is now unavailable and so I couldn't confirm the unit involved.

Was there a daytime electric run by 4003 to ARS on Wednesday?

Alex C
62430

Alex

I thought you would be closer to those who know.
It was certainly 4001 on Tuesday night.
The DPTI site shows 4003, Rod Hooke and a jostle of reporters and appears to be taken during daylight hours which substantiates the 3:15 on the PIS display.
I just assumed a train with 4003 ran through yesterday. Note there was not a visivest in sight compared to Tuesday evening.
The only other recent movement of a 4000 was 4002's transfer back from DC last Thursday with a 3000 propulsion system.

Then again it could have been 3:15 am with the flood lights at nRAH making it look like daylight; all staged.
Cynic I am, but I still prefer the first version.

What does surprise me is that the movement was not reported here until you raised the question. I saw photos with 4003 on FB last night.

Ian
  Peter Station Staff

Yes.

Interestingly, four units in service should be enough to run an 80% electric service if/when regular weekend trains come back, the current Adelaide-Noarlunga-Adelaide round trip time of 112 minutes will increase to at least 122 minutes depending on the timetable.

Is it known yet who the Federal Government will send to open their new station outside the Showgrounds and their line to Seaford? Would it be the Prime Minister or the Minister for Infrastructure? I can't imagine them being asleep enough to let the state government take credit for projects paid for by federal money during a state election campaign.
justapassenger

Ron Fitch - the last SAR Railway Commissioner - would be a very appropriate choice.  Several years ago Ron completed his PhD at the age of about 98, and was recorded in The Guinness Book of Records.  Ron was a tireless Commissioner, trying to do the best he could with the railways in a changing world of the 1960s and early 1970s.  I think he is aged about 103 now.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

That's interesting, he could be a good choice if the Federal and State governments feel it easier to agree to disagree instead of working out the correct protocol for the PM and Premier to open it together.
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

Peter

Lovely idea regarding Ron Fitch. He is a very special gentleman who used to sit at the same table as my Mum in the Facility until he was moved in to a high care facilty on account of a fall.

Minor correction, he gained his PhD at age 92, he is indeed 103 and last reports going well at age when most are beyond even pushing up daisys.

Ron certainly had a battle with governments of both persuasions.

Regards
Ian
  BillD Chief Train Controller

Tuesday night while waiting for the 4000 to arrive, I was told by someone who is close to the job that they had posession each night from 9:30 for further activities.

I went up for a look last night at nine, and hung around until 10-ish before giving up.

A friend who lives in Edwardstown said that he heard a "strange sounding horn" and ""train sounds" soon after ten.

It's logical that they would be, but does anyone know whether the 4000's are testing/driver training until the 24th?

Bill.
  Jumbo2001 Junior Train Controller

I'm pretty certain all this week the Noarlunga and Belair lines will be closed for works between Adelaide-Goodwood, and to permit 4000 class driver training along the line. All closures appear to be listed as 2100-0500 (I think, or 0530).

4003 will be the first in service, unless another is handed over in the next couple of weeks.
  SAR523 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Chicago, IL
Just in case anyone hasn't read it, I can highly recommend Ron Fitch's book on his railway career (Amazon link but obviously available elsewhere in Australia).

http://www.amazon.com/Australian-Railwayman-Engineer-Railways-Commissioner/dp/1459649788/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1391697531&sr=8-1&keywords=ron+fitch
  Peter Station Staff

Peter

Lovely idea regarding Ron Fitch. He is a very special gentleman who used to sit at the same table as my Mum in the Facility until he was moved in to a high care facilty on account of a fall.

Minor correction, he gained his PhD at age 92, he is indeed 103 and last reports going well at age when most are beyond even pushing up daisys.

Ron certainly had a battle with governments of both persuasions.

Regards
Ian
steam4ian

Thank you, Ian, for the correction on Ron Fitch's age at the awarding of his PhD, and also for the update on his circumstances.  I also appreciated your use of the word "gentleman" to describe him:  Very apt.  Peter

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