Mt Gambier old yard deathnell starts

 
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

The other option would be to retain a single track through town and re-construct a marshalling yard on the outskirts of town, say, near the Jubilee Hwy where most of the truck depots are anyway.
don_dunstan
Railroad yards were built near town centres as they were convenient to shippers who did not possess trucks etc, but as that is no longer the case the transhipment point can well away from the town centre. The old yard is probably so much old scrap metal in that case. As mentioned by some posters the geographical location of Mt Gambier makes re-instatement of rail unlikely and trucks provide an adaquate service for the traffic on offer in any case.

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  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Railroad yards were built near town centres as they were convenient to shippers who did not possess trucks etc, but as that is no longer the case the transhipment point can well away from the town centre. The old yard is probably so much old scrap metal in that case. As mentioned by some posters the geographical location of Mt Gambier makes re-instatement of rail unlikely and trucks provide an adaquate service for the traffic on offer in any case.
nswtrains
It's unlikely but not impossible or uneconomical.  As another poster mentioned, the wood-chip traffic from areas around the Mount to the Port of Portland would probably be viable if taken off the roads but the main stumbling block is this stupid colonial thinking that South Australia and Victoria can't work together to standardise and re-open that part of the line.  There would be another benefit to doing it that way: As opposed to going back to Wosley, it would be much shorter to restore the line to Heywood and then Mount Gambier would be connected to the national standard gauge network via the Portland line.  The SA government would highly unlikely to support this however as it would take freight movements out of SA and into Victoria.

Trucks can do the job adequately but it would be better for tourism and road safety if that traffic was moved onto rail.
  simont141 Chief Commissioner

Location: Adelaide
It's unlikely but not impossible or uneconomical.  As another poster mentioned, the wood-chip traffic from areas around the Mount to the Port of Portland would probably be viable if taken off the roads.

Trucks can do the job adequately but it would be better for tourism and road safety if that traffic was moved onto rail.
don_dunstan
I don't think there is as much chip as you think coming from around Mt Gambier for export - where are the SA based hardwood chipping facilities? The main facilities are in Portland, Geelong and Myamyn. .

There would be some woodchipping done in-field, but this would be for local processing such as the CHH plant in Mt Gambier, and would be softwood (i.e. not for export via Portland).

About 85% of woodchip that's exported is hardwood (E. Globulus/bluegum). Most of that is currently grown and harvested in Victoria. If SA grown Globulus is to be chipped in Myamyn, it's best to truck it directly to avoid triple handling. Ditto to a similar extent for chipping in Portland. The value and volume of both hardwood and softwood exports are decreasing as a result of increasing international competition and Australian dollar/higher costs

Limestone Coast has one of the lowest serious injury and fatality rates in the state, ditto in the Southern Grampians region across the border.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
I don't think there is as much chip as you think coming from around Mt Gambier for export - where are the SA based hardwood chipping facilities? The main facilities are in Portland, Geelong and Myamyn. .

There would be some woodchipping done in-field, but this would be for local processing such as the CHH plant in Mt Gambier, and would be softwood (i.e. not for export via Portland).

About 85% of woodchip that's exported is hardwood (E. Globulus/bluegum). Most of that is currently grown and harvested in Victoria. If SA grown Globulus is to be chipped in Myamyn, it's best to truck it directly to avoid triple handling. Ditto to a similar extent for chipping in Portland. The value and volume of both hardwood and softwood exports are decreasing as a result of increasing international competition and Australian dollar/higher costs

Limestone Coast has one of the lowest serious injury and fatality rates in the state, ditto in the Southern Grampians region across the border.
simont141
I thought that CHH plant in the Mount was closed now?  I recall reading something about that recently.

I know the bottom has fallen out of bluegums recently - a friend who lives on Kangaroo Island said they're considering bulldozing all the plantations over there because there's no market for them any more.  It might also reflect on the fact that it's traditionally hard to get anything off the island commercially.
  simont141 Chief Commissioner

Location: Adelaide
I thought that CHH plant in the Mount was closed now?  I recall reading something about that recently.

I know the bottom has fallen out of bluegums recently - a friend who lives on Kangaroo Island said they're considering bulldozing all the plantations over there because there's no market for them any more.  It might also reflect on the fact that it's traditionally hard to get anything off the island commercially.
don_dunstan
The lakeside sawmill and moulding facilities closed. The sawmill on Jubille Hwy, the particleboard facility in Mt Gambier and laminated timber facility in Nangwarry are still open.

The KCA facility near Millicent (was a big user of chip) closed several years ago.
  jm1941 Chief Commissioner

Location: Mount Gambier
FROM THIS in early 1980's.  


UPDATED BELOW: Now progress in reverse. Very Happy 26th October 2013.
Mt Gambier's old station rail yard starting to be cleared of all trackwork and ballast.


Pic-1 above. Taken from Wehl Street looking towards Bay road end.  
Looking down what was the Main line into station Platform.



Pic-2 above.  Wehl Street looking towards Bay road end.


Pic-3 above.  Near station cabin looking towards Wehl street.  
The concrete blocks were part of the yard drainage.


Pic-4 above.  In front of station looking towards Bay road end.
Note the piles of ballast from removed trackwork.


So now the Wolseley-Heywood line is surely well busted now.
Soon be no trackage at all between Wehl street and Bay road.

To those not in the yard know, this whole yard area was the old loading and shunt yard.  
Main marshalling yard was/is still all there so far, but I dare say I not hold my breath as that be next thing to be hit.

Regards,
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Thanks for the pictures, I was quite sad to see that.  What is the status of the actual corridor, are they mandated to protect it for future use or will it all be built out?
  jm1941 Chief Commissioner

Location: Mount Gambier
Thanks for the pictures, I was quite sad to see that.  What is the status of the actual corridor, are they mandated to protect it for future use or will it all be built out?
don_dunstan
Well so far as I know there is to be a 10 meter easement path to be left through that land for if in the future the rail gets reinstated. Not necessarily an actual rail track to be laid down, but a 10m space left for a future track. I'm led to believe that trees of some sort would be planted along where the 10m easement would be, that can be removed later if that was to happen.

Today's update 29-10-2013.


Regards,
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
I used to walk my dog through those closed yards when I lived in the Mount many moons ago.

I know that you are a local jm1941 but it was never my favourite town, too insular and parochial - and there were too many social cliques and boring gossips (but that's just country towns in general - not really my thing). I have an interesting true story about going out to a restaurant one night with work colleagues and we happened to spot a famous local celebrity walk in with a young lady, sit down and order a meal.  I don't think I need to tell you who that celebrity was.  I was curious about the man and couldn't help but look at him; to which I was advised "Ooh, don't look at them - that's not his wife you know!".  Too funny.
  jm1941 Chief Commissioner

Location: Mount Gambier
I know that you are a local jm1941 but it was never my favourite town, too insular and parochial - and there were too many social cliques and boring gossips (but that's just country towns in general - not really my thing).
don_dunstan
Your not wrong there and Mt Gambier was NOT my preferred place to have to go to live and work, or even retire in. As you would know things do have a habit of not working out especially with those rail closures like the Peterborough NG in 1970 and there being no shunter vacancies at Port Lincoln, the Mount was a sad second choice. The only thing going for it was the Mount was well away from that crazy big smoke and now the Mount is getting much like it, crazy place. Out of the frying pan, into the fire one might say. Anyway, being an old fart these days the Mount is just okay for a retiree to live out his days. Sad part no darn working railway anymore. Was a pleasant place here till around 1980, it then started to sour, now it's got too big for its britches, full of would be's, if they could be. Well they all been well trained by yes, that famous local celebrity ghost who walks lives on. Rolling Eyes

I have an interesting true story about going out to a restaurant one night with work colleagues and we happened to spot a famous local celebrity walk in with a young lady, sit down and order a meal. I don't think I need to tell you who that celebrity was. I was curious about the man and couldn't help but look at him; to which I was advised "Ooh, don't look at them - that's not his wife you know!". Too funny.
don_dunstan
That cracked me up, one could tell you a few more tit bits on that issue as he was quite the lad as one would have to be living down a post hole not to know who that was.

Regards,
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
jm1941:  Yeah actually the Mount isn't that bad, there's a lot of natural beauty, the beach is close by and there's a lot of jobs and services there but I think but you need to be an established local and have good social networks for it to really be enjoyable.  I found as an 'outsider' it was really difficult to meet people and get involved unless you went to church or something similar.  One of my best friends is a former Mt Gambier 'born and bred' but even she got to a point several years ago where she realised she was sick of the place and had to sell up and leave; I thinks sometimes going down the street and seeing the same people all the time can either be really comforting or very grating.

There was also a really horrible judgemental attitude at times from the 'born and breds' that used to really nauseate me. Once I was talking to a real-estate agent at a party and he boasted to me about the fact that "I don't rent houses to people from the east side of town, we need to keep them all in one place so the cops can keep an eye on them." Hmm...

And yeah, I have lots more stories about that famous local celebrity too, maybe best kept to ourselves.  I could never get over the 'hero worship' that used to go on in that town and how the locals seemed to think 'oh I'm friends with his son' or 'he's a personal friend of my cousin' is some kind of a magic spell that should automatically get them jobs or special treatment.  Once you leave that town that 'special relationship' with the eminent person was meaningless, a lot of locals didn't seem to comprehend that.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
jm1941:  Yeah actually the Mount isn't that bad, there's a lot of natural beauty, the beach is close by and there's a lot of jobs and services there but I think but you need to be an established local and have good social networks for it to really be enjoyable.  I found as an 'outsider' it was really difficult to meet people and get involved unless you went to church or something similar.  One of my best friends is a former Mt Gambier 'born and bred' but even she got to a point several years ago where she realised she was sick of the place and had to sell up and leave; I thinks sometimes going down the street and seeing the same people all the time can either be really comforting or very grating.

There was also a really horrible judgemental attitude at times from the 'born and breds' that used to really nauseate me. Once I was talking to a real-estate agent at a party and he boasted to me about the fact that "I don't rent houses to people from the east side of town, we need to keep them all in one place so the cops can keep an eye on them." Hmm...

And yeah, I have lots more stories about that famous local celebrity too, maybe best kept to ourselves.  I could never get over the 'hero worship' that used to go on in that town and how the locals seemed to think 'oh I'm friends with his son' or 'he's a personal friend of my cousin' is some kind of a magic spell that should automatically get them jobs or special treatment.  Once you leave that town that 'special relationship' with the eminent person was meaningless, a lot of locals didn't seem to comprehend that.
don_dunstan
There sure seams like there Is something In the water In this volcano side town.

Well there Is !! the Blue lake turns from grey to blue this time of year (microorganisms or something)
  simont141 Chief Commissioner

Location: Adelaide
jm1941:  Yeah actually the Mount isn't that bad, there's a lot of natural beauty, the beach is close by and there's a lot of jobs and services there but I think but you need to be an established local and have good social networks for it to really be enjoyable.  I found as an 'outsider' it was really difficult to meet people and get involved unless you went to church or something similar.  One of my best friends is a former Mt Gambier 'born and bred' but even she got to a point several years ago where she realised she was sick of the place and had to sell up and leave; I thinks sometimes going down the street and seeing the same people all the time can either be really comforting or very grating.

There was also a really horrible judgemental attitude at times from the 'born and breds' that used to really nauseate me. Once I was talking to a real-estate agent at a party and he boasted to me about the fact that "I don't rent houses to people from the east side of town, we need to keep them all in one place so the cops can keep an eye on them." Hmm...

And yeah, I have lots more stories about that famous local celebrity too, maybe best kept to ourselves.  I could never get over the 'hero worship' that used to go on in that town and how the locals seemed to think 'oh I'm friends with his son' or 'he's a personal friend of my cousin' is some kind of a magic spell that should automatically get them jobs or special treatment.  Once you leave that town that 'special relationship' with the eminent person was meaningless, a lot of locals didn't seem to comprehend that.
don_dunstan
Completely disagree! I lived there for a few years in my early 20s at the start of my career, and it was fantastic. Some of my best years. I had no issues getting out there and meeting people (in fact it was far, far easier than in the big smoke). Never once felt any judgmental attitudes from people who I thought anything of or whose opinions I cared about. If you're willing to get out there and play sport, join the darts club, go to the pub, etc, you'll have no worries at all. If you're not willing to do any of that, you have only yourself to blame.
  jm1941 Chief Commissioner

Location: Mount Gambier
UPDATE  Mount Old Yard 2nd November 2013.

2nd thirds of the yard now cleared of trackwork.


The old station and cabin starting to look bit lonely and isolated.

Regards,
  jm1941 Chief Commissioner

Location: Mount Gambier
UPDATE  Mount Old Yard 13th November 2013.

Whole yard now fenced in making sure no passengers line up again. Smile

The old clearance sign in pic below was added for humour by photographer.





The above shot one can only remember seeing the Adelaide passenger cars at platform, with the overnight freight wagons with a 900 class all split to "C" road with the 500 class shunter on other end ready to lift all the loading off the 900class and then watching the Melb Vicy train coming in from Heywood over Bay road up "B" road. All now just bearly a pleasant yard memory.

For one who was involved with working this broad gauge yard for 23 years, is sad to see it all just came to this as was the end of a great rail era. Thankfully one has good rail and shunt memories from once upon a time there was a good railway at Mt Gambier.

Removal of all track should be all over red rover by this weekend.


Regards,
  jm1941 Chief Commissioner

Location: Mount Gambier
UPDATE: Mount Old Station Yard 31st December 2013.

Mt Gambier station yard is no more


Looks bit like a moonscape at present.
No trackage at all.

Regards,
  Amraks Junior Train Controller

this is sad too see..

Hope it don't ever happen to the track near where I live in tasmania it hasn't been used in 10 years about.
  jm1941 Chief Commissioner

Location: Mount Gambier
UPDATE  Mount Old Yard 21st February 2014.


Firstly, for those who can still remember those good ol days. The year 1985.


And fast forward to today 2014.


The yard is/has nearly been completely buried, one could easily say the yard has been literally turned upside down to completely bury all polluted ballast and the whole yard's surface earth. In this above shot shows earth/rubble is being dug out after the 2 feet of polluted surface earth been removed and buried.
In above pic to the left, last week that was the big hole like this right in front of station, now been filled with polluted top soil earth and covered over with the rubble from out this hole. Is interesting watching the digger scooping out the earth and put into dump trucks to be spread over the buried 2 feet of polluted top soil.



This be good job, Shocked but need to keep wits about you.

Seems so strange for me that I spent over 20 years shunting all over this yard, now to see what was underfoot.
Interesting also to see the limestone strata that lies under the layer of volcanic earth.

Regards,
Johnny.
  jm1941 Chief Commissioner

Location: Mount Gambier
UPDATE Mount Old Yard 28th April 2014.

The last shots of the once Mount Gambier Rail yard now is not, long gone.

Certainly looks weird with old main line rail track still is right up to Bay road crossing Heywood end and the Wehl Street Millicent end. Only this in between now.

This is not a new track reconstruction being prepared. I'm told it will be a bike track through the yard area.
Had heard that IF, a big IF, rail does return this is where the 10 metre track easement would go.
Yes, I know I'm well resigned to the fact now that this will never happen though.


This is happening at the Wehl Street end. Not sure what this will be when done.
Just to the right was the old Bottle Co siding where pic taken was the entrance from Wehl street into the loading freight yard.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
A Big IF trains returned to Mount Gambier, a railway bypass of the City would be most appropriate.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Nice to see the railways cleaning up after themselves for once, it's a rare departure from the norm.
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
Nice to see the railways cleaning up after themselves for once, it's a rare departure from the norm.
justapassenger

It is not the railways doing it though it is the Mt Gambier Council I think you will find doing this.
  Top Cat Assistant Commissioner

Location: Under Hilton Bridge
railways?........the Mt Gambier job is nothing to do with any railway organisation?
  jm1941 Chief Commissioner

Location: Mount Gambier
railways?........the Mt Gambier job is nothing to do with any railway organisation?
Top Cat

Yes, your correct Top Cat, cleaning up the station yard was nothing to do with the railways as such, but there again the S.E. trackage was handed back to the State Govt by the Feds (AN). The old Station rail-yard much later was then just handed over to the City Council for beautification as the old Station rail-yard was just falling into disrepair and lots of weeds with a stipulation that a 10 meter easement be made allowance for "IF" in the future rail returns, of course nowadays that is the joke of the day. Govt then coughed up a $1,000,000 bucks to help clear away all the rail, sleepers etc, goods platform and to clear out all the polluted ballast and few inches of top spoil, supposedly from railway weed spraying over the years, reason for all the huge holes dug out in the station yard.
A nice tidy sum of extra Govt loot was given over also to help out with the beatification. That last picture I posted of work being done in yard near Wehl Street is the start of that yard beautification. Be rather interesting now to see how this all pans out.
Is still bit sad to now look back at the pictures of the old station rail-yard era in its old great days, now totally cleared and gone. Just one's nice memories for us old timer railwaymen who worked this station yard for many years. All that's left now to see is the station building with station platform and the derelict signal cabin which would need some cash input into it as well. This be interesting to see if these will survive further down the road, but meantime I not hold my breath though.
  Bogong Chief Commissioner

Location: Essendon Aerodrome circa 1980
If anyone is interested in the rail history south east, the book One Rusty Rail by the late Ron Stewien is a great pictorial about the authors experiences as an engineer converting the narrow gauge to broad gauge around Mt Gambier and Naracoorte in the 1950's. It features great pics of forgotten lines as well as rare pics of things like S class engines. It's really worth tracking down.

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