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      M636C Minister for Railways

    I hadn't heard of this....

    http://www.flipgorilla.com/p/23023990364711720/show#/23023990364711720/58

    The model has no buffers but is otherwise unaltered from the Dutch locomotive previously produced.

    The listed price is about $200

    M636C
    Posted: 15 Jan 2014 22:17

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      wolfpac Minister for Railways

    Location: Over here...
    That's pretty handy, saves repainting it (especially if you don't have any 'gear' to paint with!) then just needs a few more details to finish it off. From what I can see immediately is the running boards over the motion gear. Looks like Kadee have a NEM coupler that will just slot in to the pocket, too.

    Not bad for around the $200 mark and DCC ready.

    Wolfpac
    Posted: 16 Jan 2014 11:06
      73LJWhiteSL Deputy Commissioner

    Location: South East Melbourne Surburbs
    Well that will surely see an increase in F's on the Layouts out there.

    Steve
    Posted: 17 Jan 2014 22:02
      Iain Chief Commissioner

    Location: Concord, NSW
    There also has been a brass detailing fret out there for some time that allows you to add the shunters steps and various other details.
    Posted: 18 Jan 2014 07:36
      Kevin Martin Chief Train Controller

    Location: Melbourne
    I hadn't heard of this....

    http://www.flipgorilla.com/p/23023990364711720/show#/23023990364711720/58

    The model has no buffers but is otherwise unaltered from the Dutch locomotive previously produced.

    The listed price is about $200

    M636C
    M636C

    So who is selling them for $200.00? Not that I'll be buying one.

    Kevin Martin
    Posted: 18 Jan 2014 10:26
      Piston Train Controller

    So who is selling them for $200.00? Not that I'll be buying one.

    Kevin Martin
    Kevin Martin

    It is listed in the Roco catalogue at 129 euro which converts to around $197 - $200 AU.

    Not sure if they are available yet but All Aboard Modellbahn may import them in. An excellent firm to deal with.
    Posted: 18 Jan 2014 11:32
      TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

    Location: Ankh Morpork
    It certainly is an interesting development, but as near as I can tell, it is the same model they have been selling for years, just in a VR livery. Now given that to make it more like the prototype, you will have to fit new pilot, shunter's boards and other details, that will require selectively painting the model again. And they were known to have a range of other liveries as well during their lifetime.
    Posted: 18 Jan 2014 16:23
      David Peters Dr Beeching

    Location: "With Hey Boy".
    It was mentioned on another site that Roco said that it is modified tooling but just how far that modification goes is any ones guess. It might be that the model shown is simply a standard Roco Dutch one re painted but this is common practice to a lot of model companies to photograph a existing model in new paint to show you what it could look like. The actual production model could be different though. Although I doubt they would include the shunters boards on the sides and the pilots though. But Roco have done stranger things than that in the past, so anything is possible!
    Posted: 18 Jan 2014 16:44
      Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

    Location: Terminating at Ringwood
    Even without modification, it will still be a lot better for Australian modellers, considering the other alternative is a massively overscale (OO gauge) British model with toy train Hornby couplers.
    Posted: 20 Jan 2014 04:12
      figjam2 Station Master

    They may start to build more nswgr locos we need more builders as there not enofe makers in the market yet
    Posted: 20 Jan 2014 10:30
      TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

    Location: Ankh Morpork
    They may start to build more nswgr locos we need more builders as there not enofe makers in the market yet
    figjam2

    Really? You think so?

    The only reason they have done the F Class is because it is made from an existing product and only requires a repaint.
    Posted: 20 Jan 2014 20:04
      David Peters Dr Beeching

    Location: "With Hey Boy".
    Well the Helgas might be another one they could do as a simple repaint of an existing model if they actually do ,do a model of these type of locomotives! But I think that would about be it from them for Australian models.
    Posted: 20 Jan 2014 21:24
      Victralian Station Master

    Location: Melbourne
    Seems it is available in the States.  http://www.reynaulds.com/products/Roco/72885.aspx  Their postage is pretty hefty though.
    Posted: 29 Jan 2014 16:00
      SAR523 Assistant Commissioner

    Location: Chicago, IL
    Seems it is available in the States.  http://www.reynaulds.com/products/Roco/72885.aspx  Their postage is pretty hefty though.
    "Victralian"


    Oh, the irony.
    Posted: 30 Jan 2014 09:38
      Victralian Station Master

    Location: Melbourne
    Oh, the irony.
    SAR523

    $30 postage to Oz.
    Posted: 30 Jan 2014 09:44
      SAR523 Assistant Commissioner

    Location: Chicago, IL
    $30 postage to Oz.
    "Victralian"


    No insult intended, I should probably have trimmed what I quoted to make my intent clearer.

    I was just musing on the irony of a European manufacturer releasing an Australian liveried loco and for it to first show up in the US where the market is presumably pretty much 0.
    Posted: 30 Jan 2014 09:56
      Victralian Station Master

    Location: Melbourne
    No insult intended, I should probably have trimmed what I quoted to make my intent clearer.

    I was just musing on the irony of a European manufacturer releasing an Australian liveried loco and for it to first show up in the US where the market is presumably pretty much 0.
    SAR523

    None taken.  I was also aware of the irony of it all.
    Posted: 30 Jan 2014 10:15
      Kevin Martin Chief Train Controller

    Location: Melbourne
    No insult intended, I should probably have trimmed what I quoted to make my intent clearer.

    I was just musing on the irony of a European manufacturer releasing an Australian liveried loco and for it to first show up in the US where the market is presumably pretty much 0.
    SAR523

    Probably they are a premium dealer or similar & part of the deal is to stock the full range. Or else they don't have it and they order it in.

    Kevin Martin
    Posted: 30 Jan 2014 23:18
      Mansfield Deputy Commissioner

    Location: Melbourne
    With help from R707Ops at Newport I've made a little sound project for the VR F class, recorded from F317. There is some info here for those interested in cramming an 8 pin decoder with speaker in there... somewhere!

    http://www.dccsound.com

    I'm keen to see the model, due around August, and apparently it will have some added detail compared with just the blue and gold repaint. All Aboard Modellbahn will be distributing the model in Australia, so there's no need to find one overseas. Once I can get my hands on a sample a video will be on Youtube.

    By the way, the SAR 350 class (interestingly the first D/E built in Australia) also featured the EE 6KT prime mover.

    Mike
    Posted: 24 Apr 2014 19:24

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      PICHhobbies Locomotive Fireman

    By the way, the SAR 350 class (interestingly the first D/E built in Australia) also featured the EE 6KT prime mover.

    Mike
    Mansfield

    Not so sure about that Mike,

    They are the first D/E locomotives in SA, however I read somewhere that the first D/E built in Aus is at the Alexandra Timber Tramway museum, Kelly & Lewis 4271, built in 1935 in Springvale, Victoria. More information on this loco can be found at http://www.alexandratramway.org.au/locomotives_non_steam/kelly_+_lewis_4271.htm
    Back on topic-
    Roco are only releasing F211 in VR blue and gold livery. The first F was painted in blue and gold in 1964, and they were delivered in 1951. This leaves a 13 year gap between the delivery of the real loco, and the model paint scheme. F211 was also SEC 3, and I believe it would not be too hard to change the paint scheme and release it in the SECV Hawthorn Green livery, as SEC 3. Also, without changing the number it would not be too hard to release it in the V/LINE Orange and Grey livery, as F211 was the only loco ever painted in this livery. I am also of the belief, that it would be fairly easy to make the numbers 310-319 in as delivered, full black, and in the VR red with yellow stripe. The SEC ones would also be easily painted in the SECV Blue and Gold, as the only difference between it and the VR Blue and Gold livery is the gold stripe is thinner. Just my 2 cents worth, but I believe that these would make vast improvements on the model. I saw 2 of the model at the Caufield exhibition, and they are very good models based on visual, however I have not yet seen it running.

    Peter
    Posted: 22 Sep 2014 18:38

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      David Peters Dr Beeching

    Location: "With Hey Boy".
    I have a very old model of a Dutch one converted to a F class and for it's size it was a very smooth runner it would be nearly 30 years old now or thereabouts and still runs smoothly. RoCo are renowned for smooth running loco's though!
    Posted: 22 Sep 2014 18:46
      duttonbay Minister for Railways

    I read somewhere that the first D/E built in Aus is at the Alexandra Timber Tramway museum, Kelly & Lewis 4271, built in 1935 in Springvale, Victoria. More information on this loco can be found at http://www.alexandratramway.org.au/locomotives_non_steam/kelly_+_lewis_4271.htm
    "PICHhobbies"

    The Kelly & Lewis locos are arguably the first diesel engines built in Australia, but they were not diesel-electrics. The engine "drove a Vulcan-Sinclair fluid flywheel coupled to a WIlson preselecting gearbox" (says "Rails to Rubicon"). They should be considered as Diesel-Mechanical.
    Posted: 22 Sep 2014 19:05

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      ARodH Chief Train Controller

    Location: East Oakleigh, Vic
    Actually, the numberboard that's present on it, is just a sticker. There's piece of etch-brass from BGM included which covers F201-F216, just needs a coat of black primer and a highlight of white.
    The other items on the brass sheet, I can't identify, they could be additional boxes or steps. The included instruction sheet provides no guidance.
    Posted: 22 Sep 2014 21:09
      PICHhobbies Locomotive Fireman

    The Kelly & Lewis locos are arguably the first diesel engines built in Australia, but they were not diesel-electrics. The engine "drove a Vulcan-Sinclair fluid flywheel coupled to a WIlson preselecting gearbox" (says "Rails to Rubicon"). They should be considered as Diesel-Mechanical.
    duttonbay

    Thanks for that, I am always happy to be corrected on a mistake, as it increases knowledge Smile as I am trying to increase my knowledge on Victorian railways to use on my layouts. I personally, would like to see an F in the Red and Yellow stripe livery, as that is correct for the 1956 time period which I am using on all my layouts.
    Posted: 22 Sep 2014 21:20
      M636C Minister for Railways

    The SEC ones would also be easily painted in the SECV Blue and Gold, as the only difference between it and the VR Blue and Gold livery is the gold stripe is thinner.
    PICHhobbies


    I have a photo of one of the ex SEC locomotives with the narrow yellow stripe and it appeared to be black rather than blue.

    My friends who seemed to know more about it assured me it was black and that was the colour the SEC used...

    It didn't look as blue as another F standing next to it and it didn't have the yellow on the radiator end.

    This was in 1977/78...

    M636C
    Posted: 22 Sep 2014 21:51

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