Smoke Free for rest of Melbourne Stations

 
  Dazzagc Station Master

found this from the news.com.au website,  all of the station in melbourne will be set from today, caught will be $212 fine.

SMOKERS at Victorian railway stations and raised tram platforms must butt out from Saturday or face a $212 fine.
All areas of railway stations and raised platform tram stops will now be smoke-free under state government changes.
Until now, smoke-free zones have only included covered areas of railway platforms and inside covered tram and bus shelters.
Public Transport Minister Terry Mulder says the changes will help eliminate waiting commuters being exposed to second-hand smoke.
Authorised officers, protective services officers and police will have power to issue $212 fines to adults who smoke in the restricted zones.
Under Victorian law changes, smoking bans at outdoor children's playground equipment, skate parks, public swimming pool complexes and sporting venues during organised underage sporting events will take effect from April 1.

http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/vic-railway-stations-become-smoke-free/story-e6frfku9-1226842041321

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  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Diesel fumes are more cancerous than second-hand cigarette smoke - they're full of benzene, are much finer than cigarette smoke and can lodge deeper in your lungs.
  waynes Junior Train Controller

Location: Victoria
People at railway stations disregard the requirement of not smoking under platforms roofs etc.  They just don;t care and believe they are above the law.
  Madjikthise Assistant Commissioner

So this will be the focus of AOs and PSOs for a few days, then it will go back to what it is now. As waynes said, people were smoking right next to no smoking signs with absolutely nothing being done about it. They do not care about anyone or anything else.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Diesel fumes are more cancerous than second-hand cigarette smoke - they're full of benzene, are much finer than cigarette smoke and can lodge deeper in your lungs.
don_dunstan

And your point is  ? ? ?
  ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

Location: BleakCity
Are they running low on fine revenue?  That's more than a basic speeding fine.

What a crock of sh1te.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
And your point is ? ? ?
Valvegear

Ahhh, it's always a good feeling when you manage to stir people off the couch about something!

My point is that it's almost unenforceable, point one, and the second point is that living in Melbourne is killing you - not some tiny wisp of second-hand smoke from a smoker.

They got the lead out of petrol fumes years ago but our air is still full of lots of other goodies like benzine and formaldehyde. There's been research recently to suggest that the nano-fine particles emitted from car tyres is a bigger killer than previously realised - so if you live near a main road then that's also a cancer risk.

People desire control now-days, complete control over their environments - because they believe that every element of risk in their lives can be managed away... the Nanny State.  What they don't understand is that life is a sexually-transmitted terminal disease; removing that little wisp of second-hand smoke from railway platforms will have absolutely no effect on the outcome if you're surrounded by lung-fulls of particulate pollution from other sources.
  Some rail man Junior Train Controller

Location: CIA Headquarters in Washington D.C
Some idiot smoked on a train into the city at Huntingdale earlier this afternoon. Almost burned down the train and an AO arrested him at Oakleigh (no throw down).
  ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

Location: BleakCity
I'm sure banning smoking in all areas will stop people like that.
  Braddo Deputy Commissioner

Location: Narre Warren
Only in Australia would you be fined $212 for having a cigarette. There are already designated non-smoking areas at stations, there is absolutely no need for a complete ban. It wasn't that long ago you could smoke in McDonalds for gods sake.
  Bobman Locomotive Fireman

I'm surprised people actually still smoke though. Why would you want to waste $20 on a packet of those things to end up with yellow teeth, nails, wrinkly skin and bad breath!?
  Simbera Train Controller

Ahhh, it's always a good feeling when you manage to stir people off the couch about something!

My point is that it's almost unenforceable, point one, and the second point is that living in Melbourne is killing you - not some tiny wisp of second-hand smoke from a smoker.

They got the lead out of petrol fumes years ago but our air is still full of lots of other goodies like benzine and formaldehyde. There's been research recently to suggest that the nano-fine particles emitted from car tyres is a bigger killer than previously realised - so if you live near a main road then that's also a cancer risk.

People desire control now-days, complete control over their environments - because they believe that every element of risk in their lives can be managed away... the Nanny State. What they don't understand is that life is a sexually-transmitted terminal disease; removing that little wisp of second-hand smoke from railway platforms will have absolutely no effect on the outcome if you're surrounded by lung-fulls of particulate pollution from other sources.
don_dunstan


Right, so because there are still other carcinogens in our environment, we shouldn't worry about the ones we can remove?

Removing lead from petrol has already had massive public health implications. Every time you remove one of these chemicals, it makes a difference. The fact that removing them won't suddenly make you immortal is not a reason not to do it.

These things are cumulative. So removing one, or even lessening it, will reduce the risk of cancer in the population. It's as simple as that.

There is also the fact that in the short term, cigarette smoke is an unpleasant and offensive odour to most people, and it irritates the respiratory system (especially for people with asthma etc).

It is of course hard to enforce but you've gotta start somewhere.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
So have 'smoking zones' like they do overseas.  And if you're sensitive to cigarette smoke then keep away from the smoking zone. Banning it altogether from an open area (if you agree to do it away from non-smokers) is bloody-minded.  And of course there's a fine... yet another fine.

I can't help but feel this relentless persecution of people who choose to smoke in view of the public has more to do with conformity and the new morality we have in this century about people who choose to kill themselves with that method - people are horrified by it so they're trying to legislate it out of existence. It's like the shaming of fat people and alcoholics - in the old days society said 'none of our business'.  Now-days we're constantly trying to rescue people from the consequences of their own actions unless you're gambling yourself to the point of suicide which for some perverse reason is now okay (!)

Trying to save people from themselves... it's never gunna work and we shouldn't be doing it.

Personally I think people should be able to choose to end their lives prematurely in any manner they see fit... we're all adults, not children.  I don't smoke but I support the rights of someone to kill themselves that way.  Or eat, booze, and drug themselves to death... so long as they don't do something stupid like kill someone else in the process I really think we should consider it none of our business.
  doggie015 Junior Train Controller

Location: On a bus going from esplanade busport to canning bridge so I can catch a train to Esplanade station
...if you live near a main road then that's also a cancer risk...
don_dunstan

Did you read that from the Daily Mail by chance?

http://www.anorak.co.uk/288298/scare-stories/the-daily-mails-list-of-things-that-give-you-cancer-from-a-to-z.html/
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Actually I read a journal article about it several years ago. There's a lot of debate about it because on the one hand the particles aren't that wide-spread, even in heavily built up areas - but they're extremely small so they can lodge quite deep into your lungs where they stay forever. I think that's the core of the problem, they're much smaller than (say) a particle of smoke so they can penetrate further.

I'm not sure if there's a practical way to remove them from the environment or prevent them from escaping - it just all adds to the unhealthy background particulate pollution we have in our big cities, doesn't it.
  Madjikthise Assistant Commissioner

And how do you propose keeping away from smokers when they smoke one inch away from the covered areas even though they may have 10,000 square meters of uncovered platform, or in doorways, or directly under no smoking signs? How about when they take a huge last gasp just before they board the train and exhale the smoke in the now closed carriage?
  K-Class Chief Train Controller

Location: Melbourne
I think that this is great, the more places that smoking is banned the better.  The stupid people that still chose to smoke should not be inflicting their horrid smoke/stench on the rest of us. The sooner that smoking is banned in all public areas, the better.

The worst thing about smokers is they smoke their cigarettes just before getting on the train, often still exhaling smoke as they step on board; their clothes stinking of smoke. At least if they can't smoke on the platform they have to walk 20m or more which allows for some time for the awful smell to dissipate before they get into the confined space.

Matt
  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
... so long as they don't do something stupid like kill someone else in the process ...
don_dunstan

Exactly.  It's just as well that the smoke they inhale stays entirely within their own bodies and can't be breathed in afterwards by anyone else.
  ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

Location: BleakCity
This is just a money grab to give their useless PSOs something to do.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
This is just a money grab to give their useless PSOs something to do.
ZH836301

At some stations it probably wouldn't even do that, as there are not enough of them to keep watch over the entire station at all times.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Only in Australia would you be fined $212 for having a cigarette. There are already designated non-smoking areas at stations, there is absolutely no need for a complete ban. It wasn't that long ago you could smoke in McDonalds for gods sake.
Braddo

With only 15% of the population smoking these days and that number is continually dropping due to the smokers either giving up their addiction or laying down their lives for their cause, the time is way overdue for a complete smoking ban at all public transport stops and stations.

Congratulations Minister Mulder on a sensible albeit a long time coming decision.

Mike.
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
Only in Australia would you be fined $212 for having a cigarette. There are already designated non-smoking areas at stations, there is absolutely no need for a complete ban. It wasn't that long ago you could smoke in McDonalds for gods sake.
Braddo

As an added bonus, all you have to do is walk down the street now to receive a fine, since on most roads there is a bus or tram stop every few hundred metres - and public transport areas are now non-smoking within 4 metres of the stop, even if the stop consists of nothing more than a steel pole sticking out of the footpath! Ironically, you can still smoke at the pokies, the Victorian Government's #1 most despised form of entertainment. Only in Australia indeed. Laughing

Apparently the entire station precinct is PTV property thus smoking is illegal, including carparks, footbridges, bus bays and taxi ranks. Glad I don't smoke. Does this make me the only non-smoker to see this as nothing more than bullscheiße, or is revenue-raising simply pitting smokers against non-smokers? As if bumping the cost of the stupid things up 4x CPI isn't enough (at this rate, soon it will be cheaper to buy marijuana).
  ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

Location: BleakCity
And how do you propose keeping away from smokers when they smoke one inch away from the covered areas even though they may have 10,000 square meters of uncovered platform, or in doorways, or directly under no smoking signs? How about when they take a huge last gasp just before they board the train and exhale the smoke in the now closed carriage?
Madjikthise

You think banning something different (smoking in open areas) will make someone doing something illegal (smoking under no smoking sign) stop?

What an odd conclusion.  What's your alcohol consumption like?

With only 15% of the population smoking these days and that number is continually dropping due to the smokers either giving up their addiction or laying down their lives for their cause, the time is way overdue for a complete smoking ban at all public transport stops and stations.
The Mikelander

I fail to see how someone smoking at the end of the platform (or as Heihachi even says, the carpark) affects your latte.
  Bogong Chief Commissioner

Location: Essendon Aerodrome circa 1980
I think that this is great, the more places that smoking is banned the better. The stupid people that still chose to smoke should not be inflicting their horrid smoke/stench on the rest of us. The sooner that smoking is banned in all public areas, the better...
K-Class

Lets face it people are different. Some even dare to hold different opinions to you and me! Shocked Taken to it's logical conclusion. we would ban hippies from public transport because they don't wash and also smell bad, fat people because they are killing themselves even faster than smokers and generally anyone who doesn't conform to our particular idea of how people should think, smell and behave.

Almost everyone chooses to do something that is potentially dangerous. Even K-Class and his superior chums. It may be rock climbing, it may be smoking, it may be riding a push bike in traffic (or a motor bike anywhere), it may be over eating, it may be flooring the accelerator on a quiet country road, it may be occasionally drinking too much. Everyone except the most joy-hating puritans chooses to do something that is dangerous! Why? Because different people get their kicks from doing different things to other people!

An alternative to banning people who dare to do things differently to us might be to practice tolerance and appreciate the wonderful diversity of human thought and behaviour! Smile
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
....Everyone except the most joy-hating puritans chooses to do something that is dangerous! Why? Because different people get their kicks from doing different things to other people!

An alternative to banning people who dare to do things differently to us might be to practice tolerance and appreciate the wonderful diversity of human thought and behaviour! Smile
Bogong

No.

As you imply, we're not a tolerant society any longer - we're actually moving towards a society that doesn't allow any vices whatsoever. Look at the responses above to my suggestion that we should have designated smoking areas away from other commuters. People are still terrified by the prospect of a tiny wisp of cigarette smoke - it's insane when you consider the toxic chemical soup we immerse ourselves in every day in the big city. Let me give you the heads up, people -

Something will kill you eventually no matter how much you try to manage the risk away.

It almost certainly will not be a tiny wisp of second-hand smoke from a smoker, so stop worrying about it and just get on with living.

I think I'm inclined to agree with ZH here that the new law is probably designed to give the PSO's something to do.

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