X'Trapolis at Werribee 18/3/14

 
  sunny_2day Locomotive Driver

X'Trapolis 100M-1350T-99M spotted at Werribee Railway station, platform 3, 'NOT IN SERVICE' at 10:25pm after traveling through the level crossing.

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  MrToastyy Locomotive Driver

Location: Werribee
That's pretty late wow
  Shacks Ghanzel

Location: Sir Big Lens of the Distant Upper Hunter
How is that late ?
Don't they test them on the Werribee line at night ?
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
How is that late ?
Don't they test them on the Werribee line at night ?
Shacks


They have previously tested Siemens trains on the Werribee Line out of Newport on Saturday mornings.  This may still occur.

Regards
Brian
  MrToastyy Locomotive Driver

Location: Werribee
Not that I know of, I've only ever seen them around 8-10 in the morning on my line 1st at Werribee and the 2nd at Seddon
  Bullucked Assistant Commissioner

There's an election coming, expect activity to get the xtraps through running sped up. Libs want Xtraps to Frankston and part of the deal is through running to Werribee and Williamstown.
I personally can't wait to see how the Xtraps handle the special kind of ferals on the cross city services!
  Bullucked Assistant Commissioner

Should add to this, I also can't wait to see how Merto handles the driver training scheme when the Xtraps finally start their cross city running. Currently the 38 week drivers who are trained in the Northern and Caulfield groups are NOT trained and qualified in the Xtraps.
Pssshh, another can of worms being opened up.....
  ljayvee6 Locomotive Fireman

Location: Near the Apm Siding
There's an election coming, expect activity to get the xtraps through running sped up. Libs want Xtraps to Frankston and part of the deal is through running to Werribee and Williamstown.
I personally can't wait to see how the Xtraps handle the special kind of ferals on the cross city services!
"Bullucked"

You should see the 10:25 PM Hurstbridge.
It's full of alcoholics and druggies.
  JimYarin Chief Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, South Australia
special type of ferals?
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
special type of ferals?
JimYarin

Yep, apparently the "special" types of ferals on the Werribee line are somehow different to the "special" types of ferals we have on the Belgrave line.
  shaun001 Station Master

Are we comparing Frankston Line special ferals to the special ferals of Ringwood, Boronia, Bayswater? Or a fair chuck of the South Morang Line?
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Now, now - all ferals are equal regardless of their train line.
  davesvline Chief Commissioner

Location: 1983-1998
Ferals are everywhere.

Its called service equalisation across the network.

As a regular traveller on the Belgrave line for the last 10 years, I've noticed.....


Phase 1 - A promise to saturate the Burnley and Northern groups with Xtraps (cos at the time that's the only places they could run), thus freeing up the Alstom Comeng sets to filter across the rest of the network (which look cleaner and fresher than the sh1tty EDI version despite the fact they're notionally considered to be the same rollingstock type) in an attempt to make the rest of the network feel like they're getting something out of this splurge on new trains (circa 2009 ish).

Phase 2 - you dont have enough Xtraps (but yes OK we're buying more), so you keep the cleaner Alstom Comengs predominantly off the Burnley and Northern groups, and run the filthy decrepid looking EDI crap on the Burnley group in an attempt to even out who's got the best trains on their line across the network.

Phase 3 - you start mixing Alstom and EDI Comeng sets and hope no one will notice which is the dirty half of the train.

Phase 4 - to ensure that the Burnley and Northern groups are never Xtrap only lines, you water it all down by making other lines suitable for the Xtraps, whilst never ensuring the original intent is met, from buying enough new Xtraps (at least 20+ 6 car sets) to suit our new plan for the Caulfield group (Failleu's Frankston election promise), cos we dont want the Burnley and Northen groups to have majority of better trains than the rest of the network has......

Did i miss something here??

Perhaps a driver can give some insight on when the mixing of Comeng sets occured, and the reasons for it...



Regards
  Madjikthise Deputy Commissioner

I'm just wondering where this idea that xtraps are better trains is coming from. Sure they are less prone to major and critical faults, but as far as day-to-day travelling or driving, I'd rather be on air bags and stopping with tread brakes.
  shaun001 Station Master

Do you mean Burnley & Clifton Hill groups? X'trap trains don't run in service on the Northern Group.

I don't remember ever hearing a promise made that those two groups will run X'Traps only - besides the obvious which was that it was looking very much like they would be almost X'Trap only given orders of 38, 7 and 8 were made and yet they only ran on these trains on those two groups.

Giving the other half of the network displaced Comengs from here is hardly showing that everyone is getting something out of the splurges on new trains... really.

The Comeng trains have been back running system wide for about eight years after the system went back to one operator and are very much mixed now.
I'm pretty certain that Metro don't line up an EDI to do the once a week run to Lilydale. And even if they did, it's hardly evening out the rolling stock equality!
  davesvline Chief Commissioner

Location: 1983-1998
Do you mean Burnley & Clifton Hill groups? X'trap trains don't run in service on the Northern Group.

I don't remember ever hearing a promise made that those two groups will run X'Traps only - besides the obvious which was that it was looking very much like they would be almost X'Trap only given orders of 38, 7 and 8 were made and yet they only ran on these trains on those two groups.

Giving the other half of the network displaced Comengs from here is hardly showing that everyone is getting something out of the splurges on new trains... really.

The Comeng trains have been back running system wide for about eight years after the system went back to one operator and are very much mixed now.
I'm pretty certain that Metro don't line up an EDI to do the once a week run to Lilydale. And even if they did, it's hardly evening out the rolling stock equality!
shaun001

Yep. Burnley and Clifton Hill is what I meant.

Was discussed on other forums here that the new orders of Xtraps would saturate those two groups with that type of train. Clearly that saturation means the Comeng's go elsewhere.

Yes the Comeng's are very much mixed now. Thats why everyone has half a dirty train with one of these. Anyone not sure of what i mean needs to be a little more observant next time they're on one.

Now that Xtraps are going to run elsewhere, thats starting to even out the rollingstock quality, purely by virtue of there being nothing else remotely new on the network. As for the EDI to Lilydale once a week, guarantee you that'll be a lot more frequent. And that's how you DO even out the rollingstock, cos something's got to fill the gap when Xtraps get cleared to run to Werribee, then Frankston, then Sandringham etc etc etc

The flow on effect is obvious. I'm not saying it shouldn't be, I'm just saying thats what most likely to happen. Aside from Siemens sets not running on the Burnley and Clifton Hill groups, it will end up fairly even.

Regards
  shaun001 Station Master

I agree. It will be a lot more evenly spread next year
  shrekman Junior Train Controller

Location: E.R.D.
It's one thing to get qualified drivers for the crappers, but routing them correctly is another issue. If the X-traps only get certified for Werribee-Frankston (signal sighting, clearances, SPOT infrastructure etc), then Metrol will then have to stop transposing trains as they go over the viaduct. Ive driven many a train that's left Southern Cross as a Frankston bound train and before I've reached a platform at Flinders St, it has morphed into a Cranbourne or a Dandenong service.
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
Yep. Burnley and Clifton Hill is what I meant.

Was discussed on other forums here that the new orders of Xtraps would saturate those two groups with that type of train. Clearly that saturation means the Comeng's go elsewhere.

Yes the Comeng's are very much mixed now. Thats why everyone has half a dirty train with one of these. Anyone not sure of what i mean needs to be a little more observant next time they're on one.

Now that Xtraps are going to run elsewhere, thats starting to even out the rollingstock quality, purely by virtue of there being nothing else remotely new on the network. As for the EDI to Lilydale once a week, guarantee you that'll be a lot more frequent. And that's how you DO even out the rollingstock, cos something's got to fill the gap when Xtraps get cleared to run to Werribee, then Frankston, then Sandringham etc etc etc

The flow on effect is obvious. I'm not saying it shouldn't be, I'm just saying thats what most likely to happen. Aside from Siemens sets not running on the Burnley and Clifton Hill groups, it will end up fairly even.

Regards
davesvline

Ironically, I saw a 6 car EDI Comeng leaving Ringwood on a down Lilydale just before 10 last night.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
Surely if they are going to the trouble of making it so the Xtraps can run on the Frankston, Williamstown and Werribee Lines, then surely the Sunbury, Craigieburn, Upfield, Pakenham, Cranbourne and Sandringham lines should be in line as well, that would actually provide for flexibility.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Surely if they are going to the trouble of making it so the Xtraps can run on the Frankston, Williamstown and Werribee Lines, then surely the Sunbury, Craigieburn, Upfield, Pakenham, Cranbourne and Sandringham lines should be in line as well, that would actually provide for flexibility.
Gman_86

For some reason it costs a fortune to make the lines compliant with all types of trains. I can't remember the exact number but it was tens of millions just to make the Frankston line compliant and that's not even finished yet.

Someone may be able to explain why - I thought it was simply a matter of signal sightings but there must be more to it than that surely (considering the money that needs to be spent?)
  712M Chief Commissioner

Can someone confirm if X'Traps will be cleared to run through the Caulfield Loop? If they're not already...
  X'Trapolis-904M Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Surely if they are going to the trouble of making it so the Xtraps can run on the Frankston, Williamstown and Werribee Lines, then surely the Sunbury, Craigieburn, Upfield, Pakenham, Cranbourne and Sandringham lines should be in line as well, that would actually provide for flexibility.
Gman_86

It can run On The Craigeburn Line Metro Say no
It Runs Every Day
  Bullucked Assistant Commissioner

It's one thing to get qualified drivers for the crappers, but routing them correctly is another issue. If the X-traps only get certified for Werribee-Frankston (signal sighting, clearances, SPOT infrastructure etc), then Metrol will then have to stop transposing trains as they go over the viaduct. Ive driven many a train that's left Southern Cross as a Frankston bound train and before I've reached a platform at Flinders St, it has morphed into a Cranbourne or a Dandenong service.
shrekman

C'mon Shrekman, you know Merto's grand plan, remove as many points as possible and run the trains almost exclusively on the one line(s). We all know flexibility is over-rated..
  Chrono Detector Assistant Commissioner

Location: Tram 57/59
One thing I don't understand: If X-Traps are stabled at the Flemington Racecourse station, why doesn't Metro run X-Traps on that line when it is opened for special events? I only see Siemens and Comengs only.

This also applies to the Cragieburn and Werribee lines as well, didn't somebody say both those lines are cleared to run X-Traps, and X-Traps are stabled at Cragieburn or something?

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