Former Premier announces airport rail line will be built

 
  Bogong Chief Commissioner

Location: Essendon Aerodrome circa 1980
Dr Napthine has just announced that a rail line to Tulla will be built. Details to be released fairly soon.

*Waits quietly for partisan political point scoring while noting that Labour did nothing but talk vaguely about it during over a decade in government.*

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  MtBeenak Train Controller

Is that an election I smell??????
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Interesting, I wonder if they'll continue with that absurd idea of terminating it at Footscray.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
These liberal guys are on a slippery slope to over promising again and under delivering as usual. Victorians beware.

The government has not delivered a single rail project other than PSO's since coming to government.

They are still delivering labor initiatives.

Don't believe a word I am hearing and no more info on Avalon rail link?
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
The simple fact Napthine has used the word "promise" should be a warning to every Victorian.  I don't believe a word I read.  The Tullamarine Rail Link is linked to the Melbourne Metro Tunnel and he has refused to build that.

If this is to go ahead then it is likely to be a project half baked with half the benefits.

Call me old fashioned.  Election desperation.
  Port109 Station Staff

If you can't even arrange a promised concrete slab next to Southland over 1000-or-so days ...
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Dr. Napthine is just trying to redeem his government's stance on public transport.
  PClark Chief Commissioner

I was in the audience at Liberal State Council at the Convention Centre when Premier Napthine made the announcement at about 1.10pm.

He stated that details would be included in the May State Budget which means that is rather more than just a "maybe".

The announcement was greeted with tremendous applause from the audience and if it doesn't proceed Napthine will forfeit the confidence of his own party members.
  Bogong Chief Commissioner

Location: Essendon Aerodrome circa 1980
Here is an AAP media report. The websites of the Herald-Sun, The Age and The Guardian all have the same report with almost identical wording.

Premier Denis Napthine promises Melbourne airport rail link

April 13, 2014 - 3:21PM

A rail link to Melbourne airport will become a reality under a Coalition government.

Premier Denis Napthine announced it was time the rail link was built, during his address to the Victorian Liberal Party's state council meeting on Sunday.

Dr Napthine said the rail link will deliver efficient, high-capacity regular services to Melbourne airport.

The project will be outlined in the upcoming May state budget, he said.

"I'm pleased to announce that my government will build the much needed Melbourne airport rail link," he told the conference.

"This project has been on the books for over 40 years," he said.

"It is time this rail link was built."

The 25-minute train ride will go from Southern Cross station direct to the airport offering an affordable services every 10 minutes during peak times, the state government says.

The electric train service will use the existing Albion and Jacana rail corridor.‘‘This is an enormous step forward for Melbourne airport, for Melbourne and Victoria,’’ Dr Napthine later told reporters.

‘‘Victorians and Melburnians have been waiting 40 years for this significant announcement.‘‘It’s absolutely essential that Melbourne and Victoria has a rail link to the airport.’’

The upcoming budget would reveal further details about the project, including costings and timeline, the premier said.

Dr Napthine says it is expected the project will be publicly run but private involvement would be sought.

Melbourne airport attracts 30 million passengers a year and this was expected to double in 20 years, he said.

AAP

The premiers media release has a little more detail: http://www.premier.vic.gov.au/media-centre/media-releases/9617-coalition-government-commits-to-melbourne-airport-rail-link-in-state-budget.html
  Comeng552M Assistant Commissioner

Location: In Sydney "Fixing the trains"
The simple fact Napthine has used the word "promise" should be a warning to every Victorian. I don't believe a word I read. The Tullamarine Rail Link is linked to the Melbourne Metro Tunnel and he has refused to build that.

If this is to go ahead then it is likely to be a project half baked with half the benefits.

Call me old fashioned. Election desperation.
bevans

Which is why I suppose it will only be terminating at Southern Cross for the time being. It saves trains from using the Flinders Street viaduct which is already enough of a bottleneck as it is during peak hour. I remember reading a while ago that Metro would be allocated platform 8 at Southern Cross once the RRL is fully complete so the Airport line trains might use that. I suppose that Airport line trains can be redirected through the Melbourne Metro tunnel when that's eventually completed and terminate somewhere in the south-eastern suburbs.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
What about platform 9?  That is wired.

Regards
Brian
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
The cheapest way to go about providing a passenger train service to Tullamarine Airport from Melbourne CBD, would be to use V/Line diesel trains via the new RRL.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
"This project has been on the books for over 40 years," he said. "It is time this rail link was built."
Bogong

I guess we'll be waiting for another 40 years until it's built.

The 25-minute train ride will go from Southern Cross station direct to the airport offering an affordable services every 10 minutes during peak times, the state government says.
Bogong

Why is it going to take 5 minutes longer than the Skybus?
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Why is it going to take 5 minutes longer than the Skybus?
Valvegear

Because of the path the rail link would take (via Sunshine)

Though Skybus says that their service takes about 20 minutes, they can never grantee It !
  melbtrip Chief Commissioner

Location: Annoying Orange
Then plan for Melbourne to Airport services lacks details -
For example how much fares will be?
Will the new service will be Myki applied?
Will the Airport be zone 1 ?
Will the new service be 24 hrs day?
What happens to Sky Bus?

What is the stopping pattern of the new service?
My understanding  - Southern Cross - Footscray - Sunshine and Airport
  Comeng552M Assistant Commissioner

Location: In Sydney "Fixing the trains"
Then plan for Melbourne to Airport services lacks details -
For example how much fares will be?
Will the new service will be Myki applied?
Will the Airport be zone 1 ?
Will the new service be 24 hrs day?
What happens to Sky Bus?

What is the stopping pattern of the new service?
My understanding - Southern Cross - Footscray - Sunshine and Airport
melbtrip

We probably won't find out until may at the earliest when the budget is released. I do wonder though if the proposed journey time of 25 minutes would include any new stations being built along the route.
  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner

Yeah, sure the Libs (who really can't stand rail) will build a Melbourne Airport Link. And after the election, . .

Since the Libs are already in power, if Napthine was serious, then (anyone mind if I shout?) he would have built it a lot sooner, instead of this election stunt.

Now matter what side it is, the politicians are just in it for themselves these days.
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
OK, stupid question from an out of town person:

A look at the Metro Timetable suggests that a Non-Stop run from North Melbourne to Albion takes 20 minutes. V-Line shows 15 minutes for SC-Sunshine, with a stop at Footscray, and longer in the other direction.

How on earth are they going to do the extra distance (SC-NM and Albion to Airport) in just another 5 minutes? Would there be paths available between SC and Albion that allow for say a 15 min run without having to cancel some Metro Services? Or perhaps use the RRL to Sunshine?

25 minutes seems a big ask if existing Infrastructure is to be used.

I assume that a new line would follow the Tullamarine Freeway from where it crosses the Albion-Jacana line?
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
OK, stupid question from an out of town person:

A look at the Metro Timetable suggests that a Non-Stop run from North Melbourne to Albion takes 20 minutes. V-Line shows 15 minutes for SC-Sunshine, with a stop at Footscray, and longer in the other direction.

How on earth are they going to do the extra distance (SC-NM and Albion to Airport) in just another 5 minutes? Would there be paths available between SC and Albion that allow for say a 15 min run without having to cancel some Metro Services? Or perhaps use the RRL to Sunshine?

25 minutes seems a big ask if existing Infrastructure is to be used.

I assume that a new line would follow the Tullamarine Freeway from where it crosses the Albion-Jacana line?
mikesyd

Do not forget that reality has been eliminated for clarity!
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

Well they could be either  electric or DMU trains to the Airport .

ELECTRIC  Option :  With RRL opened all Geelong, Ballarat & Bendigo trains go over onto the non electrified RRL track pair , freeing up paths between Southern Cross and Sunshine on the existing Metro track pair . If one extends the Bendigo RRL track pair beyond Anderson Rd to the Down side of Albion then that removes the VLP Bendigo trains from the Metro tracks right out to Albion where the Airport Link would leave the existing passenger network . An electric service could operate from platform 8  (3 faces available) at Southern Cross. The problem with this option is that with Melton electrification we then have a capacity pathing issue again between Sunshine and the City , which could be overcome by fitting moving block signalling between Sunshine and the CBD .

DMU Option :  This would run from 15/16 via RRL tracks extended to Albion where a rail over rail flyover would have the Airport service leave the existing network .  This option would limit the RRL  capacity to 14 trains at peak times and again we have a capacity pathing issue to address .  Given the new route via Tarneit and potential patronage there 14 tarins in peak hour for Geelong, Ballarat and Bendigo will not be enough very quickly . The DMU option is probably cheaper than the electric but runs into capacity constraints very early in the piece . This would require an early re signalling of RRL between Southern Cross and Sunshine to increase the throughput of trains .  

The Media Release makes mention of a rail over rail flyover at this point .A train every 10 minutes in peak periods, implies a lesser frequency at other times. The peak times for Airport trains should correctly be peak departure and arrival flight times at the Airport .(Peak times at the Airport for International arrivals and departures  are before the existing Commuter am Peak and after the existing PM Commuter peak, so that should fit in better) . Also as there are now regular International & Domestic flight departure and arrivals at the Airport up to 2am and then start again at 5am the Airport service should run 24/7 with overnight services being a minimum of every 30 minutes, building up to every 20 and every 10 minutes as required by traffic at the Airport. The other aspect is that the trains used should make adequate allowance for luggage stowage which Sydney does not do at all well . They could still be Siemens , Xtrapolis or Vlocities but with adequate luggage space .

Again it appears the Government is doing everything else BUT addressing the issue of CBD  track capacity, and getting more distanced from committing to Metro Rail or a variation of it .  

Governments love  populist initiatives like free CBD travel and free WI FI that only create further overcrowding at Peak times, and then building new lines in the cheapest form possible , but never address the core issue of CBD  track capacity .
  Bogong Chief Commissioner

Location: Essendon Aerodrome circa 1980
...
What is the stopping pattern of the new service?
My understanding - Southern Cross - Footscray - Sunshine and Airport
melbtrip

The syndicated AAP article states "The 25-minute train ride will go from Southern Cross station direct to the airport offering an affordable services every 10 minutes during peak times, the state government says."

I take the use of the word "direct" as meaning non stop. After all, every stop adds extra time to the total journey, the trains will be set up for travellers with luggage rather than for suburban commuters and great majority of patrons won't be coming from places like Sunshine.

After the recent trouble with a few Sunbury passengers deciding that suburban trains weren't good enough for them and insisting on travelling by Velocity trains, it's obvious that some people will exploit any loophole in a self serving way. So perhaps putting restrictions on any intermediate stops has become just too difficult, leaving non stop running as the simplest and most practical option?
  melbtrip Chief Commissioner

Location: Annoying Orange
The syndicated AAP article states "The 25-minute train ride will go from Southern Cross station direct to the airport offering an affordable services every 10 minutes during peak times, the state government says."

I take the use of the word "direct" as meaning non stop. After all, every stop adds extra time to the total journey, the trains will be set up for travellers with luggage rather than for suburban commuters and great majority of patrons won't be coming from places like Sunshine.

After the recent trouble with a few Sunbury passengers deciding that suburban trains weren't good enough for them and insisting on travelling by Velocity trains, it's obvious that some people will exploit any loophole in a self serving way. So perhaps putting restrictions on any intermediate stops has become just too difficult, leaving non stop running as the simplest and most practical option?
Bogong

"After the recent trouble with a few Sunbury passengers deciding that suburban trains weren't good enough for them and insisting on travelling by Velocity trains,"

Only reason - I use V/Line services to Sunbury is the following"

  • V/Line is faster service

  • Better seats



If PTV often a better service then the current Metro service and which most times I been on board the train, the train carriage condition  has been in poor state.

The state Government when planning the metro tunnel - should look at electrification the Bendigo and Traralgon  railway lines and run as two tier service on the new line.

Two tier:
Metro Services:  Stopping all stations from Dandenong  to Sunbury/ Watergardens* - 9  single carriages every 10 - 15 mins part

Commuter services from Bendigo Stopping all stations to Sunbury and stop at main stations that services that Merto Services to Dandenong and then Stopping all stations to Traralgon - 9 double deck train that has capacity of 1000 seats, every 30 mins*

*Possibility just making Metro service go to Watergardens - demand after Watergardens is not that great

"Metropolitan and regional commuters will also be able to access the Melbourne Airport at key interchanges at Footscray and Sunshine." - http://www.premier.vic.gov.au/media-centre/media-releases/9617-coalition-government-commits-to-melbourne-airport-rail-link-in-state-budget.html

"Coalition Government commits to Melbourne Airport Rail Link in State Budget - http://www.premier.vic.gov.au/media-centre/media-releases/9617-coalition-government-commits-to-melbourne-airport-rail-link-in-state-budget.html

Sunday, 13 April 2014Victorians will be able to catch a train to the airport with Premier Denis Napthine today announcing that the upcoming State Budget will outline the Coalition Government's commitment to build a new rail link from Southern Cross Station to Melbourne Airport.
Speaking at the Liberal Party State Council today, Dr Napthine said the landmark project was part of the Coalition Government's record-breaking infrastructure agenda and commitment to building a better Victoria.
"The Coalition Government is undertaking the detailed design, planning and consultation work on this important project," Dr Napthine said.
"The Melbourne Airport Rail Link is a critical component of the Coalition Government's broader transport plan that will deliver more services to carry more people, more often across metropolitan and regional networks.
"This project will see a new service running along dedicated tracks from Melbourne Airport to Albion where it will join the existing rail network and run through to Southern Cross Station.
"This will be an electrified service that utilises the Albion East route which has previously been identified as the preferred option for an airport rail link.
"This service will depart from Southern Cross Station every 10 minutes during peak hours with the total journey to the airport expected to take approximately 25 minutes.
"The new link will consist of a combination of at-grade and viaduct rail lines that will run from Albion, through the Jacana freight corridor and airport land terminating at a new elevated station at Melbourne Airport. A new rail flyover will be constructed at Albion to ensure smooth access to the existing rail network.
"The Melbourne Airport Rail Link is an historic project made possible thanks to our Government's outstanding economic credentials and good project management," Dr Napthine said.
Minister for Roads and Public Transport Terry Mulder said Melbourne Airport catered for 30 million passengers every year with this number expected to double by the mid 2030s.
"Our Government is committed to building the key transport infrastructure Victoria needs for a better and brighter future," Mr Mulder said.
"This fantastic project will provide easier access to Melbourne Airport for all Victorians whether they utilise the metropolitan train network or whether they arrive at Southern Cross Station from regional Victoria on a V/Line service.
"Metropolitan and regional commuters will also be able to access the Melbourne Airport at key interchanges at Footscray and Sunshine.
"The Melbourne Airport Rail Link will complement existing transport links to Tullamarine and will cater for future growth in the number of people who utilise Melbourne Airport.
"With the commitment for this project now secured in the upcoming State Budget, the Coalition Government will get on with the job of detailed design works and consultation with stakeholders and the general community," Mr Mulder said.
The Coalition Government's commitment to the Melbourne Airport Rail Link will be detailed in the State Budget."
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
PClark.....I can understand your Liberal colleagues applauding Denis regards this announcement however let's look at the facts...

Call me cynical, but peak time for the airport coincides with peak time for commuters using an expanded and more frequent spark service once the RRL is up and running.

How can an up to 10 minute frequency 'express' airport train mix it without clashing with the all stopper sparks under wires from Albion to SCS.

I tells ya...it can't be done.

Mike
  Braddo Deputy Commissioner

Location: Narre Warren
We've heard this a million times before. If by some chance it does actually happen this time, make it a 24 hour service or don't bother wasting our money on it.
  HardSleeper Junior Train Controller

Location: Route 48
At least this should do away with that stupid idea of running the airport trains stopping all stations to Dandenong through the Metro tunnel. Southern Cross is the main transport exchange in Melbourne, that's where the airport trains should go. And it also exposes the 'oh we can't build it until we build Metro' for the load of rubbish it was. Just electrify RRL from Sunshine and there's your express capacity.

It is funny how these 'fully costed and in the budget' plans have suddenly started appearing in an election year rather than the previous three...

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