Shrike Models

 
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Were the Rx running on all three gauges in SA like the 830 were?
I know this model is to be built for HO gauge track
Cheers
Rod
comtrain

Broad Gauge only Rod !!!

David

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  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
Broad Gauge only Rod !!!

David
dthead

Thanks David
I tried to get to the SA comrail site but could not work out how to navigate inside and got 104 pages as well.Sad
So what was their NG Consolidation called then?
Cheers
Rod
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Australian_Railways_T_class

The SAR T class might be what you are thinking of Rod.

In HO you  may have hit a minefield as I think that a lot of SAR modellers use 10mm not 12mm gauge a lot.

Regards,
David Head
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Australian_Railways_T_class

The SAR T class might be what you are thinking of Rod.

In HO you may have hit a minefield as I think that a lot of SAR modellers use 10mm not 12mm gauge a lot.

Regards,
David Head
dthead

Thanks David
I guess it will be a long time before NG stuff is done then Very Happy
Cheers
Rod
  hosk1956 Deputy Commissioner

Location: no where near gunzels
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Australian_Railways_T_class

The SAR T class might be what you are thinking of Rod.

In HO you may have hit a minefield as I think that a lot of SAR modellers use 10mm not 12mm gauge a lot.

Regards,
David Head
dthead

A mere technical point but it is actually 10.5 mm gauge (H0n3).
My opinion re a RTR Rx:- There are many of the superb MDS Rx kits on layouts and running now, that will limit the number of RTR Rx's that could be sold, undoubtly a few with kits will go for a plonker and there is obviously many that don't have the MDS version for what ever reason who will be hanging out for a RTR Rx. That they have also been done in brass won't come into this discussion, I think a lot of them have been relegated to the showcase unless they have been re-motored. I have my MDS version and don't need anymore.
The Rx is not a straight forward selection either with a few variations to think about (Rebuilt R class, original Rx class and a variety of tenders both 6 wheel and bogie), somebody had mentioned a 620 class? now that would get my modelling dollars.

Wayne
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
I'd find an SAR S class to be far more interesting than an RTR Rx. I already have one RTR and one (almost) kit built Rx. For the record, my SAR NG stuff will be on 12mm track.
  GeoffHope Beginner

Location: Kellyville, New South Wales, Australia
Hi All, Yes it is me, Rod, The shrike himself.Laughing
Hello David and others who know me from Facebook groups etc.
I answer the questions as I saw them: First it is HO Scale, not N, SN3, HON3 1/2 , TT or any other gauge.
Darn web page still not up, 7 phone calls to digerati, my hosts and they have a major melt down, so I am told.
I am hopefull of a pre production Model in the next 3 weeks, So I can take it to Albury- Rod knows about that too. If not at least Adelaide exhibition and Epping over Queens Birthday weekend.Laughing
Those of you on the Modelling SA Rail Convention data base, will get a pre order form for the RX, which I hope and pray will be ready and landed before next year's Adelaide Exhibition.
Like all the manufacturers I have experienced a couple of delays, but nothing like the dramas that beset Eureka ( poor Ron).
I use the same manufacturer as my friends at On Track plus Dapol (UK) and a small canadian firm -Kanamodels.
They will all have KD58 range couplers, 8 pin decoders in the engines and possibly- depending on whether wecan do a deal for commercial quantities - sugar cube speakers or 16mm ones, in the tender! Also if one wishes to you can swap tendres around with Eureka as we had agreed on the same wiring loom.
Geoff Hope,
  John_Bushell Chief Commissioner

Location: Brisbane
Great to see you here Geoff. I will be a definite starter for a C30T as soon as you are ready to take orders. I am pretty much dyed in the wool NSW, so the C30T is my main interest just now.

Best regards,
John
  GeoffHope Beginner

Location: Kellyville, New South Wales, Australia
Hello people, I am sorry about no responses any earlier. I was on the phone with my website designers from 4:30 PM till just on 7PM. We have done a couple of redesigns of the site. They are not Rail oriented but very efficient. I expect the web site to be up by Saturday after the initial crash of their main server 15 hours after the site went up initially.
I am getting things right, so that everything is eamless.
In my modelling and the design for our first two engines, I took every step to get everything accurate. A friend who's son is Autistic was ovewr one day, with his son and John- the son, looked at the blueprints and what I had done oin AUTOCAD, he looked again and being a savaunt, said I think you have a mistake here. he closed his mouth for a second and then said " You have a point 3 of a millimetr difference here" pointing to a Z axis line I had placed. I double checked it and found that it was correct. I am aming in real scale to be accurate to 0.02 mm, which if scaled out by 87.1 (th HO ratio) means 1.73mm. Yes I may be a perfectionist, but that is where I want my Ready to run models to be. We had to move the 2nd and 3rd driver axle spacing 1mm so as to be able to place brake blocks in, I have specified RP25-88 as my wheel profile, with the actual Tyre ( ie where the bevelled edge is attached to the wheel hub) being what would be the typical wear after 6 months service. real Steam tyres are 1.5 inch when sweated on, after say 10,000 miles ( 16,000 KM) the wear is 1/8th of an inch (say 3.9mm) in normal service.  As to doing an S class SAR, mentioned by someone- If I can see 1000 of sales in the Surveys I do at exhibitions etc. I woill aim to get good blueprints or at least workable Line drawings.  You need a minimum 1000 sales for the project to be commercially Viable. I am aiming on prices staying below $500 for a RTR staem for as long as I can.( perhaps Garrats would be more but I doubt if that will occur. Unless there is sufficient interest in a HOn3 (SA Prefer that scale) 400 or ASG, then forget it.
My victorian survey at Hobsons Bay expo was very interesting to say the least. I now have an idea from the 56 returns plus 5 emails since of what I could do for the Victorian market as well as a few transborder runs, no more will be said. I got info from the senior guys at some places that my D3 would fail as another producer is doing it ( DARN IT) I wanted to do all the small 20 century 4-6-0s at once but have stopped any further ideas of a D3.  Next engines for all 3 states will be bigger ones but NO one will know till they are nearly on the dock. I also am doing wagons, Carriages and Brake vans , so check the site as of Saturday ( fingers crossed).
Geoff Hope
  ANDL36Y Train Controller

Rest assured, there are plenty of us out there who want an Rx or three as we either a) missed out on the kits b) had no inclination to build one c) are not master modellers.

They will sell well. I want at least one preserved and one or two in service. I know others who would buy several each.

Bring them on Geoff!

Cheers,
Joshua

http://jafasmodeltrains.blogspot.com.au/
  GeoffHope Beginner

Location: Kellyville, New South Wales, Australia
Rest assured, there are plenty of us out there who want an Rx or three as we either a) missed out on the kits b) had no inclination to build one c) are not master modellers.

They will sell well. I want at least one preserved and one or two in service. I know others who would buy several each.

Bring them on Geoff!

Cheers,
Joshua

http://jafasmodeltrains.blogspot.com.au/
ANDL36Y

You have your first follower on your Blog, Joshua. I will watch it with Interest. See you at AMRE Perhaps? I will be there Saturday only as I have Epping same weekend..
Geoff Hope- Shrikemodels@gmail.com
  GeoffHope Beginner

Location: Kellyville, New South Wales, Australia
Great to see you here Geoff. I will be a definite starter for a C30T as soon as you are ready to take orders. I am pretty much dyed in the wool NSW, so the C30T is my main interest just now.

Best regards,
John
John_Bushell

Hi John, late Friday night in Sydney, just saw my beloved blues lose to Colliwobbles Crying or Very sad
I am hopefull the websit4e will be up and running early next week, I was so dissapointed that it wasn't up for this weekend, as My partner is in Brisbane for their show and web site back up would be great along with our order forms.
I wonder if you are in Jakarta- if so TEDAK BAGUS TUAN, Sayat mahapat Bahasa Malayu- close to Indonesian.
The C 30-t is due around very early Spring and maybe mid August.  
When the website is up, The photos and what I wrote above plus earlier today will make it clear how good they are. As Rod Y. ( Comtrain) said I will not settle for!
Geoff Hope
shrikemodels@gmail.com
  SAR523 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Chicago, IL
An SAR 620 or S is where I'd expect the most interest for the next engine;  definitely more for the 620s though.
  allan Chief Commissioner

Yes, the "big" Webb engines were limited to the few mainlines which only a few can model effectively. The Rx class locos were "all lines" locos, while the 520s and 620s were nearly so - and, being "modern" locos they remained in traffic until the end of steam, so that there is only a little broad gauge rollingstock that post-dates them.

However, we must be aware of the huge section of the market which can be termed "collectors" or "wanabe modellers" who effectively subsidise the cost of model locomotives for those of us who want to run them. For my money, the most useless H0 locomotive ever produced is the NR: the vast majority of these locos never leave their boxes or display cabinets because they look so out of place on any layout smaller than a sports field - but, how many have been sold?

The S class, 720s and 600s were all retired early, so do not "fit" the rollingstock that the majority of SAR modellers own, which is more appropriate to the late 1960s and 70s. Though this is not an issue for everyone...
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
Ah Geoffrey Smile Its good that you finally got here Smile Now I can stop worrying if I have said too much, I can leave it up to you. This is a great site and has hundreds, nay probably thousands of great people visiting daily. Their are always a few pathetic individuals who hide behind stupid nick names and snipe to see if you have a thin skin. So far, here, we only have seen the best and lets hope it stays that way. If hurtful stuff is posted treat it as the rest of us do Wink flush it and move on Very Happy
Cheers all
Rod Young
As Big Kev used to say "I'M excited!!" (Wonder what happened to him? Smile )
  trawny Train Controller

Location: Victoria
Ah Geoffrey Smile Its good that you finally got here Smile Now I can stop worrying if I have said too much, I can leave it up to you. This is a great site and has hundreds, nay probably thousands of great people visiting daily. Their are always a few pathetic individuals who hide behind stupid nick names and snipe to see if you have a thin skin. So far, here, we only have seen the best and lets hope it stays that way. If hurtful stuff is posted treat it as the rest of us do Wink flush it and move on Very Happy
Cheers all
Rod Young
As Big Kev used to say "I'M excited!!" (Wonder what happened to him? Smile )
comtrain

He sadly passed away in 2005 from a heart attack.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_McQuay
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
He sadly passed away in 2005 from a heart attack.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_McQuay
trawny



Thanks trawny,
And that is a lesson for all us not naturally skinny?
Cheers
Rod
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
Have no idea what happened, but its suggested blah blah blah..............
I should not be able to edit a quote??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_McQuay
trawny

I seem to have a problem here David. My posts become part of the quote and as you can see I can edit the quote too Very Happy
Cheers
Rod
  anzac1959 Chief Commissioner

Under $500 for a 30T wow ill like to see that , and here in August !!! ill like to see that and HO,yes my layout needs 30Ts and 50s
bring em on
  John_Bushell Chief Commissioner

Location: Brisbane
Hi John, late Friday night in Sydney, just saw my beloved blues lose to Colliwobbles Crying or Very sad
I am hopefull the websit4e will be up and running early next week, I was so dissapointed that it wasn't up for this weekend, as My partner is in Brisbane for their show and web site back up would be great along with our order forms.
I wonder if you are in Jakarta- if so TEDAK BAGUS TUAN, Sayat mahapat Bahasa Malayu- close to Indonesian.
The C 30-t is due around very early Spring and maybe mid August.
When the website is up, The photos and what I wrote above plus earlier today will make it clear how good they are. As Rod Y. ( Comtrain) said I will not settle for!
Geoff Hope
shrikemodels@gmail.com
GeoffHope

Very sad to see the Mighty Blues go down again.  They will be back, perhaps next year though. Crying or Very sad

Tidak lagi di Jakarta mas.  Sudah pulang sekarang tinggal di kota Brisbane.  Tetap bisa bhs Indonesia.  Kami menanti si mungil C-30T musim semi mudah-mudahan pertenggahan bulan Agustus.  Trims.
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
I seem to have a problem here David. My posts become part of the quote and as you can see I can edit the quote too Very Happy

(Yes, you can edit the quote, always have been able to. Very handy if it is too long or you want to have them say something they did not say.)

Cheers
Rod
comtrain

Click in the space below the quote box and add your comment in there.
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
Click in the space below the quote box and add your comment in there.
TheBlacksmith

Hi Geoff
That's where I write my reply, only Railpage moves it into the quote box. I edit, move it out and it ends up back inside??
Lets see what happens this time, hopefully David has adjusted my permissions?
Cheers
Rod
  SAR523 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Chicago, IL
Not sure I completely agree Allan.

There were a (very small) number of S still running in the early 60s (heck, even a Q  at Murray Bridge IIRC!).

The other loco that might be of Interest would be the 2nd F given the limited brass kit run ( and that you really had to buy another chassis kit).

With MDS "soon" to release their 500 resin body and the 520 mechanism thereafter (once Nigel stops stuffing around with that 720 chassis Smile the next most popular I'd imagine would be a 620 (although RTR 7xx or 520s would likely find a market). The 600s are probably a little too specialized although I'd buy one. So you start getting to things like the 2nd F and S.

On the DE side there are plenty of 830 options and decent 930s to be had. The 700DE has been done and is getting a little too new as you said. Perhaps a decent 900? The 500DE market is a little saturated although not with top notch offerings. 350s? Can't see huge interest in 800s.

Anything else I'm not thinking of?

So, subliminal message time : 620!
  allan Chief Commissioner

The last of the S class were condemned in 1960, and I'd hazard a guess that they'd been layed up for a good while before that. Q90 was cut up in 1956, and that was the only member of its class to survive past the mid-1930s.

I don't think that the Dollies saw much running outside of the Metro area.

I suspect that a decent 900 is already planned.

For my money, the priorities are Rx, 620, 520 and 900.

And, hey, no picking on Nigel! Time spent getting it right is not time wasted. I think that he has a real job as well, and, maybe, a life outside of model railways...
  a6et Minister for Railways

Hi Geoff
That's where I write my reply, only Railpage moves it into the quote box. I edit, move it out and it ends up back inside??
Lets see what happens this time, hopefully David has adjusted my permissions?
Cheers
Rod
comtrain

Rod

What I have found if you place the reply under the previous quote in the initial stage of there being a complete blank area under the quote box, & then send it on, it ends up on the end of the quote & in the same box.

To get the message separated I have to double clik outside the quote & it brings up a box & that is where you have to type into for the messages to separate.

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