Shrike Models

 
  a6et Minister for Railways

Yes, I have, back in April.

From a "retailer" or from "Shrike"?

Regards,

Catchpoint
I happen to know, ithe answer is Strike.

As far as I know, and I know little, Bob might be the onlyperson who could validly go up to Austrains and get the deal.

Regards,
David Head
dthead
David, I think the offer from Austrains pertains to refunds for the Shrike 30T not the RX

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  Bob K Station Master

Location: East of Port Pirie
Yes David, that is correct. I received a bank cheque from Hope, which upon presentation at my bank, was honoured.

regards
Bob
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Was for the 30T a6et, to clarify further. How did Bob do it? he was civil, understanding, not demanding, and was just there at the right time really.   So it was possible.

Happy modelling to all.

David Head


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Extra code entered a cut and paste of  your name A6et, now removed.

For others, your questions are only able to be answered by Shrike themselves, I cannot and even Bob canot  explain why he was lucky.
  kingfisher Chief Train Controller

Was for the 30T [color=#333333][size=4][font=Roboto, wf_SegoeUI, ]a6et[/font][/size][/color], to clarify further. How did Bob do it? he was civil, understanding, not demanding, and was just there at the right time really.   So it was possible.

Happy modelling to all.

David Head
dthead
That surely raises more questions than answers. If he can repay one person why can't he repay everyone.
  a6et Minister for Railways

Was for the 30T to clarify further. How did Bob do it? he was civil, understanding, not demanding, and was just there at the right time really.   So it was possible.

Happy modelling to all.

David Head
dthead
What part are you referring to David, or post?  that link takes one straight to a listing of all my posts on RP.

The interesting aspect though is when you say how did Bob do it, was by being civil and understanding, also being there at the right time, is very much something that is understandable, and should also apply to both sides of the table, phone or whatever place one is in when you talk to someone.

Doesn't always happen that way though, as I have often found that when you have a problem with an item, trying to get a resolution that some of those in the business of selling models and not confined to the MR world either is they do not like it when a problem is found, and some come back and blame the purchaser for the problem, even when the box is opened and there are parts everywhere in it, no instructions or breakdown diagram in the box either.

Does not help when the expensive model you purchase comes with no instructions of how to remove the body of a loco, which is much more than gently opening the bottom sides of the model and lifting the body off, then the next model comes out totally different and you have to take out several securing screws that are not only for the body either.

We have come a heck of a long way since even the heady days of the Dockyard first run 38cl for the Oz modeller, we have more than enough different manufacturers bringing in a huge range of models that are in most cases deadly accurate while others? well I'll leave it at that.  Some are very very approachable to talk with, others not so, while others, are in the wasting your time category, that are in the position of blaming the end user of issues.
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Fixed my post. Please recheck it a6et and kingfisher.

Regards,
David Head
  a6et Minister for Railways

Was for the 30T a6et, to clarify further. How did Bob do it? he was civil, understanding, not demanding, and was just there at the right time really.   So it was possible.

Happy modelling to all.

David Head


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Extra code entered a cut and paste of  your name A6et, now removed.

For others, your questions are only able to be answered by Shrike themselves, I cannot and even Bob canot  explain why he was lucky.
dthead
Thanks David.

I also just took it out of my post that included yours.
  TheFish Chief Train Controller

Location: Pyongyang
Was for the 30T a6et, to clarify further. How did Bob do it? he was civil, understanding, not demanding, and was just there at the right time really.   So it was possible.

Happy modelling to all.

David Head


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Extra code entered a cut and paste of  your name A6et, now removed.

For others, your questions are only able to be answered by Shrike themselves, I cannot and even Bob canot  explain why he was lucky.
Thanks David.

I also just took it out of my post that included yours.
a6et
So was Bob succesfully able to communicate with them this year via Email?
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Mr Hope was under a lot of stress at the time, and Bob and myself felt for him.  No idea re email addresses. I think the email went silent, so we have no address to pass on.

Meanwhile Bob has the right  not to talk any further, detail wise.

Regards,
David Head
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Well the moderater can never get everything right for everyone. To be clear this is what I have done. I have ,after some consultation off list with two posters, REMOVED their post. They are safe and exisit in another place if required.

Here are the replies they have sent to me that I think are OK, but since I cannot post AS them I share them now for you to read.



Comtrain has resubmitted this post for me to publish:

After  consultation with Geoff Hope, and emails between Chritopher Klein and Lindsay O'Rielly of Ixion, I have asked for my recent posts to be removed. Although I thought I was showing support for Ixion, I unintentionally appear to have corrupted my post.

Ixion deserve a fair go, in my opinion, and we are not giving them that. As Lindsay says, "Who Benefits"  Not them and definitely not us.

I am absolutely convinced that Ixion could have released the model, and left Shrike creditors fight with Shrike in the Courts...Absolutely!  They chose to add more than $63,000 to their costs to support these folk, and Lindsay tells me he is suffering because he thought he was one of the good guys,

Ixion has also a amended post:

Press Release From Ixion Model Railways.

Since John Eassie, proprietor of Austrains, has confirmed in the October AMRM that he will be producing an HO scale 30T locomotive in 2017, Ixion is examining the viability of the plan to produce the ex-Shrike Models 30T as an Ixion model. We recognise the impact this will have on many modellers. While these discussions are under way, we will not be answering individual enquiries about the 30T, or any other projected locomotive.
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Will remind those who like to talk  as if we are at a club, or a mate's place - in that we are not there. We are in a public place seen by everyone, on the record.

Specualatuon, conjecture, and ill infiormed "facts that aren't facts" hurt everyone.And siometime anger others. It's not the th time we have had someone on the war path, and sometimes we hear after the fact, or  away from here that there is a real bad side to talk, reputation, profit, image, sales and cancellation etc.

So please think about what you write. Can you stand behind it? If so bein anonoymous will only see a post removed faster than those who I know who they are. Have you the facts, the figure, the permssion, the rights to post information ?


Lets continue the thread on a new basis, what we see, do and experiance.  News of how someone lost money, is fact. Details of developments publically know are fact.  Like the conjecture on 3801,  real stuuf is occasionally posted when the organisation concered want sot , not when we the mass desire.

Rant over, back to enjoying my nice model railway !
http://dth.railpage.org.au/trainroom/


But a last aside, I will continue to heavily moderate this thread. If you have a lot to say, run it by me first, PM me even !

Regards,
David Head
  kingfisher Chief Train Controller
  apw5910 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Location: Location.
Press Release from Ixion

https://www.facebook.com/ixionmodels/posts/1181040191961366
kingfisher
Well that's $435 down the drain.
  a6et Minister for Railways

Press Release from Ixion

https://www.facebook.com/ixionmodels/posts/1181040191961366
Well that's $435 down the drain.
apw5910
A small company? yes it is, but I would not mind knowing the answer to a couple of questions.

Firstly, from notices and news prior to Shrike going to the wall, it was said that all the toolings had been completed and the model was ready to go in to production, the next bit was that the model was defered to allow the Ixion 32cl to go into production ahead of the 30T, so, if all the toolings were completed, and Ixion said the 30T would go ahead once they had gained enough money from 32cl sales, note they said only after sufficient sales of the 32cl occured in order to pay for the production of the 30T.  So, the mystery is if Ixion has all the toolings, and if they were complete except for production costs, why not produce the 30T as only the production costs are to be done, and not the highest cost items which are the toolings of the model.

The second point/question of interest is that the 30T being so far ahead of the Austrains model in as far as the overall design, toolings etc, Ixion should have have a hell of a great head start in getting the model to market, seemed they waved the white flag a bit early.
  lkernan Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
So, the mystery is if Ixion has all the toolings, and if they were complete except for production costs, why not produce the 30T as only the production costs are to be done, and not the highest cost items which are the toolings of the model.
a6et

There is a Facebook reply on the Ixion Facebook page where they say (among other things):

we are gutted to have to make this decision, but when we made that statement we didn't know that the new quote for Ixion from the factory was going to be almost double that provided to Shrike when they commenced the loco - we assumed it would be valid for us too.
Ixion reply on Facebook

Assumptions were clearly made that have proven to be wrong.  
As a result, the model isn't viable to produce.
  a6et Minister for Railways

So, the mystery is if Ixion has all the toolings, and if they were complete except for production costs, why not produce the 30T as only the production costs are to be done, and not the highest cost items which are the toolings of the model.

There is a Facebook reply on the Ixion Facebook page where they say (among other things):

we are gutted to have to make this decision, but when we made that statement we didn't know that the new quote for Ixion from the factory was going to be almost double that provided to Shrike when they commenced the loco - we assumed it would be valid for us too.

Assumptions were clearly made that have proven to be wrong.  
As a result, the model isn't viable to produce.
lkernan
The assumption is based on what is said on their FB page, but not everyone is able to get into the full FB pages and I took many years to be rid of it.

The issue based on the end bit of being doubled is a sort of answer to my question, regarding was the last announced news by Shrike that the 3Ot was completed in the toolings side of things, meaning according to the Ixion page that was somewhat short of being correct.

The interesting thing still is that Shrike did have a completed sample of the 30T at last years Liverpool exh, and only on seeing that and checking it out did I outlay money for it.  I am not wanting to throw away good money, and I realise it was my own stupid fault that I did so, but thing is simple that you should trust these people with their promises but that is now totally shot for me.

How many other small companies have started up and gone as far as both Shrike and Ixion, who were actually working together ok, the tenders being produced were for both the 30T and 32cl, both were, 30T according to all were very much advanced in the production side of things, at least the tooling side compared to Austrains who were starting from scratch with bot their 30 and 30T so Ixion could have been in with an advantage by having the 30T out well before the Austrains models.

If the factory costs have ballooned out that much, other Oz importers have moved an obtained better deals from other factories.
  Laser Rail Bits Locomotive Driver

Location: Goulburn NSW
Pardon me for my complete ignorance on this issue...but how many units were originally presold???
  a6et Minister for Railways

So, the mystery is if Ixion has all the toolings, and if they were complete except for production costs, why not produce the 30T as only the production costs are to be done, and not the highest cost items which are the toolings of the model.

There is a Facebook reply on the Ixion Facebook page where they say (among other things):

we are gutted to have to make this decision, but when we made that statement we didn't know that the new quote for Ixion from the factory was going to be almost double that provided to Shrike when they commenced the loco - we assumed it would be valid for us too.

Assumptions were clearly made that have proven to be wrong.  
As a result, the model isn't viable to produce.
lkernan
Having no real ability to go deeper into FB other than the main page, I cannot find the reply on FB that you quote in the 2nd bit.
  lkernan Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Having no real ability to go deeper into FB other than the main page, I cannot find the reply on FB that you quote in the 2nd bit.
a6et

It's accessible to the public to view.  I just checked again and I don't have a Facebook account to log into either.

It's a reply to a comment on their current top post.  Might have to dig down a little.
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Having no real ability to go deeper into FB other than the main page, I cannot find the reply on FB that you quote in the 2nd bit.
a6et



If you want information, rely not on 2nd and third hand info, go straight to the source. Ixion have posted here, PM them, or email them outlining your situation and concerns, in a firendly manner - as If you respect them they will reply in kind.

Regards,
David Head
  a6et Minister for Railways

Having no real ability to go deeper into FB other than the main page, I cannot find the reply on FB that you quote in the 2nd bit.



If you want information, rely not on 2nd and third hand info, go straight to the source. Ixion have posted here, PM them, or email them outlining your situation and concerns, in a firendly manner - as If you respect them they will reply in kind.

Regards,
David Head
dthead
David

With respect, while it may seem to be a good idea, thing is I have had good contacts with Lindsay in the past, and that was when they were after help which I gladly supplied and provided, but it was pretty obvious that whoever is in charge of Ixion was not interested in certain things and in the end despite all the promises and nice words in the end it turned out a pointless exercise, to which I believe the same thing would apply this time around.

This is not about me, but its something that I feel is something that Ixion actually owes the modellers who they have let down with this decision, ok! they own the business and their call, but how long has it been since Austrains announced their 30T, and now make the decision to dump the model?  Thing that I personally cannot understand, or actually have difficulty believing is that the production cost for the model from their factory has doubled in price, if that is true what value is there in doing business in China or in particular this particular factory.

All that aside and I know others who have said the same, double the price, meaning the end price will be somewhere upwards of $900.00 based on the original Shrike figures, that would rule many out of making a purchase. So, the only thing that I believe is needed is for those who accepted the promise and offer from Ixion in relation to honouring those modellers with a nominal cost to cover the increases is to please come out and tell us the truth or what really went on, and have some integrity.

Sorry, but I for one am sorry I ordered a model, and while I cannot really afford the loss of the money I paid, but its now something I have to wear, and would find it very difficult to do business with Ixion in the future.  So, that's it from me, but there are how many others who really would like to know the truth of it all.
  c3526blue Deputy Commissioner

Location: in the cuckoos nest
Hey, it's all Mr Eassie's fault.  Lets all send him a bill for $420 per C30T ordered.  

I reckon he can afford to reimburse the $250,000 or so in loose change required.

I will then order some of his C30T's, LOL .........

Happy dreaming,

John

PS; Who thought that pre-ordering RTR model trains was akin to gambling?

PS2;  Not happy Jan ......  Crying or Very sad

PS3;  So sad, too bad ......
  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner

With respect, while it may seem to be a good idea, thing is I have had good contacts with Lindsay in the past, and that was when they were after help which I gladly supplied and provided, but it was pretty obvious that whoever is in charge of Ixion was not interested in certain things and in the end despite all the promises and nice words in the end it turned out a pointless exercise, to which I believe the same thing would apply this time around.
Did Ixion put it writing that they were going to do xyz, but are now not? If the answer is YES, then as far as I'm concerned, they are in breach-of-contract.

Sorry, but I for one am sorry I ordered a model, and while I cannot really afford the loss of the money I paid, but its now something I have to wear, and would find it very difficult to do business with Ixion in the future.  So, that's it from me, but there are how many others who really would like to know the truth of it all.
You DON'T have to "wear it" take the company to the Department of Fair Trading.
  kingfisher Chief Train Controller

With respect, while it may seem to be a good idea, thing is I have had good contacts with Lindsay in the past, and that was when they were after help which I gladly supplied and provided, but it was pretty obvious that whoever is in charge of Ixion was not interested in certain things and in the end despite all the promises and nice words in the end it turned out a pointless exercise, to which I believe the same thing would apply this time around.
Did Ixion put it writing that they were going to do xyz, but are now not? If the answer is YES, then as far as I'm concerned, they are in breach-of-contract.

Sorry, but I for one am sorry I ordered a model, and while I cannot really afford the loss of the money I paid, but its now something I have to wear, and would find it very difficult to do business with Ixion in the future.  So, that's it from me, but there are how many others who really would like to know the truth of it all.
You DON'T have to "wear it" take the company to the Department of Fair Trading.
Newcastle Express
Seems to me that there are a few people offering comments here who have forgotten who the real culprit is.
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Did Ixion put it writing that they were going to do xyz, but are now not? If the answer is YES, then as far as I'm concerned, they are in breach-of-contract.
Newcastle Express



I would suggest you read the thread's last 4 pages, read for yourself what Ixion has said etc before offering legal advise not based on any informed opinion about the issue..... If you had you would have answered your own question. At the moment you have accursed Ixion publically. Care to wonder if they may react ?

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